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Playing in NY helped; but leading the first AFL team to win a SB helped too. Also the fact that he guaranteed victory. A HOF QB with a career passer rating of 65.5.
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I didn't compare them at all. I compared how they did relative to other QBs in their eras. It was a different era. Go back to Stabler and Namath. They both threw more INTs than TDs; yet Namath is in the HOF and Stabler should be. NFL rules and style of play made passing much harder in the 70s and early 80s than it is today.
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I like the Doughty pick. He's a developmental guy. I am more concerned about his ability to run an offense than his ability to heave the ball 70 yards.
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I think there will be a flurry of activity on 5/12-5/13. All 3 of those guys will likely find new homes. Hall and Jones would be good additions. Foster would be also....if he is healthy and would take a low salary with incentives.
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Brady did not come into the NFL with a cannon. He's never really been considered a strong armed QB. When the Pats won their first 3 SBs (***), Brady threw a whole lot of screens and slants.
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Woodley was not a great QB, but it was a different era; and it's very hard to compare QBs of that era with QBs of this era. Woodley's best year for Miami was 1981. The NFL leader in QB rating that year was Fouts at 90.6. (With that rating, Fouts would have been 20th in 2015.) In his best year, Woodley's QB rating was about 21 points lower than the league leader. In 2014 and 2015, Tannehill w
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Joe I fixed the draft pick error on the Howard trade. Thanks for catching that. Also, I consider Drake a 3rd down RB because of his style of play and lack of toughness, not because of his size. I would agree that he can also be a return man and a slot guy. I just have a hard time seeing him being asked to run between the tackles on a regular basis. I hope I'm wrong, because if Drak
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A word of caution about Norman: his NFL career began later than most players. Even though he has only been in the league for 4 years, he will turn 29 this year. Not sure I would want to give a long-term contract to a soon-to-be-29-year-old CB. CB's tend to get old very fast in the NFL.
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Freeman is 3 inches shorter, but actually a bit heavier than Alonso, who is very thin for an ILB. Foster? Another hurt, old guy.
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This trade has been discussed a lot, and I keep hearing reports from Dolphins management saying that the trade gave us 3 starters instead of 1 starter (pick 8). I find that to be very flawed thinking, because it fails to take into consideration the salary cap implications of the trade. So what are the implications and what could we have done instead? We gave up: 2016 #8 overall In return
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You're right Mike, most of those QBs are elite; but that's the point. If you want to win in today's NFL you need an elite QB. Elite QBs make a difference. I agree, Fitzpatrick was in a great situation for a QB. Now Cousins may never duplicate what he did last season; but he's the same age as Tannehill and he gave his team something to believe in during his age 27 season. Also, it would
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True, Rodgers is an a one of the best and a surefire HOF QB; but the reality is that most Super Bowls in this era are won by HOF QBs. The NFL has been dominated by great QBs for a long time. You can go back to the late 1980's and only find a handful of SB-winning QBs that are not in the HOF, and most that aren't in the HOF are still playing. My point is that if we don't have a QB that is at l
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A good QB makes everyone around him better. He doesn't get a pass when the entire offense performs below par. The Packers offense was in terrible shape last year. The o-line was decimated by injuries all year, Lacy was borderline morbidly obese, Nelson was hurt, Cobb struggled without Nelson, etc. Assuming two equal QBs, the overall offensive situation was much worse in GB than in Miami las
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I am not sure we should consider Tannehill the guy until he fails. Gase didn't draft him and has no ties to him. If anything, he may want his success tied to a guy that he chooses. Also, Gase may consider 4 years of tape to be enough evidence of what Tannehill can and cannot do. That said, if Gase and others feel that Tannehill is not the player to lead them to a Super Bowl then they will
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I like Tannehill. I really do. I've been cheering for him to succeed every year. But I see a QB who stares down his WRs; doesn't go through his read progressions well; and is only moderately accurate. Maybe he has been as much of the problem as the coaches. Remember, Lazor was supposed to be the coach that would maximize Tannehill's talent.
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I think Tannehill has demonstrated enough inability to make clutch plays in the regular season to conclude that we would see the same result in the post season. Maybe he will turn that around in 2016. Nobody knows the answer to that. I guess we will find out what management thinks of Tannehill in about a month. When you said he could be the next Dalton, I thought you were implying that he w
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Tannehill is only about 8 months younger than Dalton. If you're saying that Dalton is not a guy to win a Super Bowl then I'm saying Tannehill sure isn't.
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I am not against taking a QB either. At the very least, Tannehill needs competition. At the most, we have a new starter in 2017 or sooner. Think about it: We're not taking a WR. We already have 3 early picks invested in that position. Elliot is the only RB worth a 1st round pick, and he may not be available at 1-13. There may not be an edge rusher worth the 13th overall pick. I ho
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There has been some discussion lately that the Dolphins could draft a QB in round 1 this year (Perhaps Paxton Lynch). What would happen next? 1. Our first round pick would not see the field in 2016 unless Tannehill gets hurt. 2. The new QB sits for a year and becomes the starter in 2017. 3. Tannehill is released or traded after 2016, which frees up huge money, due to the large paychecks
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It's not like the guys we got are cheap. Maxwell is costly. Williams is costly. Keeping Wake is costly. Maxwell and Alonso all cost us valuable draft position. Shelby would have been cheap to keep. Miller got paid what he is worth. I really think we could have re-upped him a year ago for less and kept him. Vernon could have been retained as a one year franchise player. Young, health
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Young player is that important. We are extreme longshots to win in 2016. This is a team that should be building for the future.
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The pole is far from an exact science. It doesn't address positions, salary, etc. I'm simply asking if we got any good, young, healthy players to replace the good, young, healthy players that left.
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I meant to include Alonso and forgot. He's young, so he has that going for him. Healthy? He hasn't been for two years. Good? He hasn't been for two years.
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For the sake of simplicity, let's say that a good signing for a 6-10 team should meet all of the following criteria (or at least numbers 1 and 3): 1. Good player 2. Young player 3. Healthy player Yes, there are salary cap concerns to be taken into consideration, but I still believe we have lost a lot of good, young, healthy talent while failing to bring in ANY good, young, healthy tal
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No CJ Anderson. Sure wish we had a proven young RB on our roster!!!
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I actually think they Phins could be better in 2016 than they were in 2015. But that leads to two questions: 1. Will they be good enough to win a Super Bowl in 2016? Highly unlikely. 2. Will the moves that they have made this offseason help them build for the future? I don't think so. We gave up healthy, up-and-coming players for older players and injured players. So if we don't wi
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Phins 5.0 - I like your posts man. "Make our B squads an A or our C+ squads B+ squads but we leave our D and F squads and D's and F's and we wonder why we aren't winning games. This goes for our OG positions as well as our LB positions, by the way. Damn glad we signed two backup swing tackles! MONEY BABY. We've got better depth now at OT in case our two highly paid or highly d
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Phins 5.0 - Yes "They are letting our young talent go because we wasted their "cheap" rookie contract deals and they are now too expensive and replacing them with moderately expensive vets that are now on their third and fourth contracts." If you are a 6-10 team, do you really let 4 of your most talented young players leave? Does anybody think that the 4 players m
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