crowder, sorry but I couldn't read past "mallett played on a better team." henne played with a ton of nfl players---jake long, mario manningham, mike hart (an incredible college runner), and a number of other high picks that came out the same year as henne. there's no comparison to who had the better talent around him, esp on offense. henne's michigan team was stacked.

For those who have Sirius NFL Radio, you know that former Cowboys GM Gil Brandt is the ultimate draft guru. If you've never heard him leading up to the draft, it's hard to describe how accurate he is. He can cite 40 times and 3-cone drill times for guys going back 30+ years. And he is so well connected with personnel people around the league. He and Pat Kirwan did a mock draft last year that correctly predicted 26 first round picks. Brandt was the one guy who said in no uncertain terms that Miami would draft Ted Ginn at #9. The guy is far and away the best draft analyst.

Brandt says that Mallett is the biggest wild card in the draft, and that he could go anywhere from #10 to #48. But, he says if it were him, he would take Colin Kaepernick before he'd take Mallett. He said that he can't remember such a slow and immobile QB as Mallett to come in to the NFL and have success. He said that the biggest issue is not being able to move around the pass rush in the pocket.

agreed, gil brandt is kind of weird, but he is crazy accurate when it comes to the draft. his comment about mallett's mobility and success in the nfl definitely gives me pause. kind of makes me think of 2 other huge big armed qbs with no mobility---dan mcgwire and jim drukenmiller. I think there's a good chance mallett turns out like them, and also a good chance he becomes a great player. kind of a big risk at 15 however you slice it.

I think Henne is a slug.


But to his credit, did anyone actually watch his Lloyd Carr offense???

Of course his college numbers wouldnt be great, that offense he played in was the most conservative I have ever seen.

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"When you suck long enough, you get a Hickey"

Aqua&Orange Wrote:
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> But to his credit, did anyone actually watch his
> Lloyd Carr offense???
>
> Of course his college numbers wouldnt be great,
> that offense he played in was the most
> conservative I have ever seen.


Exacty what I was trying to say. Lloyd Carr was about as QB friendly as Dan Henning...lol

Peyon Manning- until a couple years ago, after a decade in the league was finally able to drop that he cant win big games.
Brady college career was odd to say the least.
Marino, whether we like it or not, never did win the big game.
John ELway finally put that to rest but it tooks how many years in the NFL for him to get rid of that "he cant win the big games" tag.
Aaron Rodgers, I never heard him refered that way.
Aaron Rodgers is a product of proper NFL nurturing, IMO. Had he been started right of the gate, he might look more like Alex SMith at this point.

Crowder52 Wrote:
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> Newton has a higher QB rating and higher
> completion percentage, less interceptions and less
> sacks, to me that says he has better passing
> stats then Mallett,
> Mallet only scored 2 more passing TD's the Newton,
> that is the only stat that you could claim Mallett
> is better then Newton at. And the fact Newton
> scored 20 TD's on his feet. The argument pretty
> much fails...
>
> Newton- 182.05 passer rating 66.1 completion
> percentage 30 TD 7 INt
> Mallett- 163.65 passer rating 64.7 completion
> percentage 32 TD 12 INT


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Wow, that is pretty impressive considering Newton had about 1,500 yards and 25 TD's rushing also (dont know exactly but I think those numbers are close) on top of those passing numbers.

No debate who the better QB was.

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"When you suck long enough, you get a Hickey"

ChyrenB Wrote:
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> TreasurecoastPhinsfan Wrote:
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> -----
> > Henne does not look to be a confident QB.
> > Physically he may have posessed the right
> tools,
> > but he does not have it mentally. He is just
> not
> > strong in pressure situations. That was my
> primary
> > reason for wanting Thiggy in. He's played under
> > the worst conditions possible , coming off the
> > bench in injury situations on the road and
> while
> > he failed you can see the kid trying to make
> > something happen. He had that spark, that Eye
> of
> > the Tiger.
> >
> > I just see no urgency whatsoever in Henne.
> Doesn't
> > even look frustrated on the sidelines. No
> emotion
> > whatsoever. A true Puppet. Hell if a reciever
> ever
> > spoke about Dan Marino to anyone but his face
> that
> > guy would get it a mouthful. he wouldn't stand
> for
> > it. A True leader.
> >
> > Henne does not have it. He won't this season
> > either or the next.
> >
>
> RESPONSE: I know you're not going to believe me,
> TreasureCoast, so I hunted down and will reprint
> this post. As you can see, I happen to agree. It
> is the one and only fault I see in Henne.
>
> Re: Is Henne a victim of bad coaching?
> Posted by: ChyrenB ()
> Date: December 31, 2010 04:07PM
>
>
> Well, I think that maybe we may not be thinking
> about the same thing, PhinFans2.
>
> You seem to be talking about whether the guy is
> out there yelling and showing excitement on each
> play. That's not what I'm talking about.
>
> I'm talking about that it seems Henne is like a
> Junior High school quarterback who simply runs the
> plays that are sent in to him.
>
> If the play is coming in slow, he looks anxious
> and is waiting for the play to come in which he
> will run without variance.
>
> Maybe, it's not fire but leadership and the
> attitude that most QBs have, even in college, that
> the coaches are there to ADVISE, advise, not
> command, and that in the end, I'LL MAKE THE
> ON-FIELD DECISION AS TO HOW THE OFFENSE IS RUN.
>
> And with a stupid OC like Henning, I'd be making a
> helluva lot of on-field decisions including "no go
> back Ronnie, we're not going to run the wildcat."
>
>
> If the coach wants to bench me, then let him
> suffer the political consequences.


Cool. Thanks for the repost......and I woulda believed ya!

Your right. if he just once went against the grain , looked into the eyes of Brandon marshall and said you want the ball? And just started a no huddle, Just once........it would have been season changing. from the comments of the players,you can tell they want to know when will his balls finally drop and start being a true leader? He just doesn't have it. You even TRY to pull out Peyton manning, Bret farve , or even a Joe flacco consistantly for wildcat plays. You would have hell on your hands. Unless you have a QB like Vick or possibly Newton that can do it , you don't keep taking your QB out. And your QB doesn't put up with it.

any qb that audibles to a run on 3d and 8 "b/c the defense was playing pass" is just sad

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> any qb that audibles to a run on 3d and 8 "b/c the
> defense was playing pass" is just sad


unless the QB was coached or told to do that in the scenario.

True, Crowder, but also berk, I must admit I don't remember that. Not that I am doubting you but what was the situation.

I can see aubilizing a run when you are on your own 20 yard line would be something stupid.

On the other hand, if you are on the opponent's 35 yard line and aubilizing a run might get you into better field goal range whereas an incomplete pass might mean a 50 yard field goal attempt, I don't know whether it would be that stupid.

I am sure Payton Manning does not audible into run plays on 3d and long once a week. I'd be surprised if he did it once a year, if ever. And if you recall the situtation I am thinking about (I can't recall the exact game but it was a late-season home loss) it came at a huge point in the game where we really needed the first down. I am sure Payton Manning never audibled into a run in that situtation.

Well, some people around here seem to feel they can evaluate a player by looking into their eyes (*wink* *wink*) and others are so deep in denial and/or delusion they think Henne can still be a legit NFL QB. In both cases, some basic clinical therapy is in order IMO.

Drafting 2 quality QB prospects is a brilliant move for a team that doesn’t have a legit QB on the roster. If they both prove out we’ve got a wonderful “problem,” if one of the 2 pans out we’ve found our QB. If they both flop then we need to keep drafting QBs and get better talent evaluators.



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do you remember the play I am thinking of (I wish I could recall the game). This was a "game on the line" play, we were in long FG range but needing a TD to win. And Henne audibles into a run. I remember at the time everyone was giving the OC crap for the pathetic call, but then he threw Henne under the bus and told everyone it was a designed pass but Henne called a run instead. No QB worth his salt would make the call. After the story came out, former players said Marino never audibled into a run in his life!

Well, berk, the way one reads your last post would prove your point.

You said we were "needing a TD to win." One would interpret that to be the same as "needing a TD to avoid a loss."

But again, if the FG would have put us into overtime, when an incomplete pass would have resulted in a loss, then a different situation might be presented.

By the way, I totally believe that Marino never audiblized in all his life. LOL. But I can't think of a more pass-oreinted quarterback in the history of football! But then again he was the greatest passer in the history of pro football so for him it was the right thing "not to do."

yes but a true QB takes it upon himself to lead the team to the win, not sh*ts it on 3d and 8 and calls for a run

Henne was coached to not take risk, he is told it is better to throw it away or run the ball, if the defensive schemes were certain shcemes, for example, cover 2, and etc, he was told, to check out of the pass. And wait for another set of downs. You cant blame a young Qb, for doing what he was told to do.
Look at how many times, a rb draw was called on third and long, probably 80 percent of the time Henning called a RB draw anytime it was 3rd down and over 15 yards.
Henning considered anything 3rd and 7 or over to be a high risk pass play. That is just the reality of his plan. Hennings offense was based on getting into third and short, where as the defense had to play both the run and pass. Minimize the risk and keep the defense guessing. It was a bad plan for a young QB, especially when the running game went to sh*t

berkeley223 Wrote:
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> yes but a true QB takes it upon himself to lead
> the team to the win,

RESPONSE: No one can dispute this.

not sh*ts it on 3d and 8 and
> calls for a run

RESPONSE: However a "win" means "not a loss." Like I said, I don't remember the circumstances but I wonder whether he was playing to ensure overtime.

But like I said, if that decision came in the first half, I totally agree with you.

However, if we are 3 points behind, I would rather play for a sure overtime than roll the dice on either winning or losing in regulation.

marino would disagree

Most definitely.

I think we just have to ask what would brain botaneo do? I mean what would would Dan Marino do? lol Sing it south park fellas!

He'd make a plan
And he'd follow through,
That's what Brian Boitano'd do.

Aqua&Orange Wrote:
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> Mia1 Wrote:
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> > I think we just have to ask what would brain
> > botaneo do? I mean what would would Dan Marino
> do?
> > lol Sing it south park fellas!
>
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> Worst epic fail of spelled name in history.


My bad I don't watch figure skating. Perhaps you can endulge us on your favorite skater then?

How do you spell Mr Brian's last name all figure skater guru Aqua the all knowledgable one?