Omar is now speculating that we played Penni to showcase him for a trade.

I think it is just - speculation. First, Omar prefaces that statement with a comment about Sparano not wanting to see Penni play. That is bogus - Sparano planned to play Penni this game. Second - if we were keeping Pat White as the third QB, there is no way he would have sat the entire second half on the bench. Thigpen has gotten a ton of reps this preseason, and if he didn't play the 4th quarter of last night's game it wouldn't impact his development much.

It is clear that PW will not be one of the QBs on this team.

DolfanMike Wrote:
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> Omar is now speculating that we played Penni to
> showcase him for a trade.
>
> I think it is just - speculation. First, Omar
> prefaces that statement with a comment about
> Sparano not wanting to see Penni play. That is
> bogus - Sparano planned to play Penni this game.
> Second - if we were keeping Pat White as the third
> QB, there is no way he would have sat the entire
> second half on the bench. Thigpen has gotten a
> ton of reps this preseason, and if he didn't play
> the 4th quarter of last night's game it wouldn't
> impact his development much.
>
> It is clear that PW will not be one of the QBs on
> this team.


When Penny walked on the field it was the first thing I thought. They are showcasing him. Because they said all week Pennington wasn't playing, now he is in there in the first half. And the timing is all to easy with the news Jim Sorgi is OUT for a month (possibly much longer)for the Giants. Penny being a NY-type of guy from his time with the Jets. I don't know, wouldn't shock me to see something there.

I mean who knows, but it wouldn't shock me.

MikeO Wrote:
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> When Penny walked on the field it was the first
> thing I thought. They are showcasing him. Because
> they said all week Pennington wasn't playing, now
> he is in there in the first half. And the timing
> is all to easy with the news Jim Sorgi is OUT for
> a month (possibly much longer)for the Giants.
> Penny being a NY-type of guy from his time with
> the Jets. I don't know, wouldn't shock me to see
> something there.
>
> I mean who knows, but it wouldn't shock me.


That would suggest they're SO confident in Pat White that they feel he needs no time in preseason games to prepare. It doesn't take too much to end up playing your 3rd-string QB, so, at this point, I'd be shocked if Penny is traded. In fact, I think they played him to see if he was ready to actually play. I think he's, clearly our #2 QB.

How could anyone be sooo confident in white?

He's done NOTHING!

The FO doesn't seem too sharp about trying to display him and show he has trade value ... unless they think he is sooo bad that playing him would make it even worse

How can they think anyone would give anything for him based on what he has done however?

This FO handling of this white thing is a puzzle to me.

Phinjim Wrote:
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> This FO handling of this white thing is a puzzle
> to me.

I honestly think he's being held as a backup insurance plan in case a QB goes down or someone makes an offer we can't refuse for Penni or Thiggi. In other words the chances are enormously high that White will be cut, but not until the season starts.

August 31st (next Tuesday) is the roster cut down to 75 players and then to 53 on September 4th.

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“I'm here" You're welcome!" - Kenny Powers

I see the Dolphins keeping him until the last cut- so they can play him for about a half vs Dallas. They don't want to risk a QB injury, and maybe some other team might get desperate (doubtful) and trade a low round pick for him.

Sparano says White won't play against ATL either.

I agree, he'll get time at the end of the game against Dallas, and then he'll most likely get cut, unless one of our other three QBs gets seriously injured.

He has yet to catch a single ball in practice. The notion that the FO has secret plans to add him to an already overloaded WR core without him ever having run a single pattern or catching a single ball makes no sense at all.

Crowder52 Wrote:
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> for conspiracy theorist: I think something fishy
> is going on with this Pat White situation... I am
> not sure what, but the current situation seems all
> to contrived.. I do not think Pat White is going
> to be cut at all. I think they have been working
> with him as WR, and plan to use him still in very
> different Wildcat wrinkles that are going to be
> exposed at some point in the first few games
> against our AFC East Opponents..
> If they have no plans of keeping him, why would
> they not cut him already...
> The Kid is fast and is this supposed unbelievable
> athlete, the TRI has to have some plans to salvage
> this pick before just cutting him free after one
> year...


Maybe, but I think that is highly doubtful. My thought is the first day of camp when it was announced Pat White would miss the begining days/weeks of camp (possibly a month) and no reason was given. Then the very next morning he was there and showed up and nobody would talk about it. Something happened.

And I think at that point the coaches/front office viewed him as a nut-case/headache and they just gave up on him. Don't need the distraction around. Which is why they aren't giving him time in games, why invest effort and valuable evaluation time in a player who you don't want.

MikeO Wrote:
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> And I think at that point the coaches/front office
> viewed him as a nut-case/headache and they just
> gave up on him. Don't need the distraction around.
> Which is why they aren't giving him time in games,
> why invest effort and valuable evaluation time in
> a player who you don't want.

Then why did they not just cut him at that point, doesnt add up, IMO

Crowder52 Wrote:
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>
> Then why did they not just cut him at that point,
> doesnt add up, IMO


Because you need warm bodies in camp to run drills with 80 man rosters. Plus they didn't know about Pennington's arm status. Hurt nothing to keep him around in camp.

Panteraize Wrote:
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> He has yet to catch a single ball in practice. The
> notion that the FO has secret plans to add him to
> an already overloaded WR core without him ever
> having run a single pattern or catching a single
> ball makes no sense at all.

First, not all practices are open to the public and media. So we dont know what they are doing with him behind closed doors or practices.
I think the WR part or whatever has to do with him catching the ball out of the wildcat, being a slash type of player, out of the wildcat. He could even be used on ST.

MikeO Wrote:
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> Crowder52 Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
>
> >
> > Then why did they not just cut him at that
> point,
> > doesnt add up, IMO
>
>
> Because you need warm bodies in camp to run drills
> with 80 man rosters. Plus they didn't know about
> Pennington's arm status. Hurt nothing to keep him
> around in camp.

Makes sense, I just find it all odd.... But if he is such a distraction and nutcase, wouldnt he be a liability, I am sure there are some practice squad Qb's they could have signed, especially if this guy is so bad, there had to be somebody that was an upgrade, especially if he is this loose cannon..

Phinsfan2 Wrote:
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> Crowder52 Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
>
> > If they have no plans of keeping him, why would
> > they not cut him already...
>
>
> I've been wondering about this situation also.
>
> There are only two scenarios that make sense to me
> at this point and one of the is far more likely
> than the other.
>
> 1) They know they are going to cut him so they
> don't want to waste practice reps on him. The
> only reason they haven't cut him is that the back
> up FA QB pool is thin so they will keep him as the
> #3 IF they manage to find a trading partner for
> Thigpen or Pennington.
>
> or
>
> 2) They want to trade one of the three backup
> QB's. They already have an acceptable, albeit
> small deal on the table for White but are in no
> rush to take it. So while they try to drive up
> the price on Thigpen and/or Pennington by playing
> them they are keeping White out of the mix to
> ensure he's healthy if he's the guy they decide to
> trade.
>
> Either scenario is possible. For me, Option #1
> is the most likely scenario.


both scenrios make sense as well, there is defintely something going on that we are not privileged to know about

Phinsfan2 Wrote:
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> Crowder52 Wrote:
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> -----
>
> > If they have no plans of keeping him, why would
> > they not cut him already...

I think the simple answer is this:

> The back up FA QB pool is thin

Until the 53 man cut, PW is not taking up a roster spot of value. For the most part, I think the FO and coaching staff knows who will be on this team already, with only one or two roster spots still up for grabs. There is little harm in keeping White on the hook.

Right now, we've got an over the hill QB coming off of shoulder surgery. Although he looked good the other night, and can throw in practice, the risk is high that he may need another surgery to "clean things out". If Pennington did need a few weeks, it would be a LOT less impact on this team through TC and the early part of the season to have a 3rd QB that is a known quantity and knows the playbook, rather than us having to go fishing for a free agent QB in a tight market. I think this is just smart business.

Crowder52 Wrote:
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>
> First, not all practices are open to the public
> and media. So we dont know what they are doing
> with him behind closed doors or practices.



Up until today all practices were open to the media. And the ONLY ones fans weren't allowed to go to were the ones rained out and got moved into the bubble

So--why not just cut him loose? He's just taking up space and resources.

Rick

dolphan4545 Wrote:
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> So--why not just cut him loose? He's just taking
> up space and resources.

When it comes down to the final cuts and it's between him and a player in a position of need, White will be gone. I think we're hanging our hopes on the fact that some team may actually offer of something in a trade. I don't see it happening, but that's the only reason I can see to keep him around.

LOL im going to be the guy who say's he wont be cut, just because everyone else thinks he will be.

No one has to be cut until 8/31. And with Pennington's arm at less than 100%, you need the extra body to give all your WR the necessary reps. White is serving a role, saving Pennington's arm during practice. And, presumably, there were other teams interested in White last year when we drafted him. So, there is a remote possibility that he has some trade value, even if it's something like a 6th round pick. So, why cut him right now?

There is no conspiracy thing going on. There is no way that we are going to keep White as a QB and not give him reps in the preseason. Reps during the preseason are what he needs a lot of. The fact that we are not giving him any is the biggest sign that we have no intention of keeping him. And, we are not working him at WR. Up until this week, all practices have been open to the media. And is we were serious about working him at WR, he'd be getting reps there during the preseason games. This is a guy who has never played the position. He would need the practice.

He has no future with this team. It's that plain and simple. And he hasn't been cut yet because there is no need to cut him yet, and he still could have some minor trade value.

Crazy, but I like crowders conspiracy theory

I like Crowder52's conspiracy theory and WANT it to be true.

But unfortunately, the fodder / cut theory of Mikeo et al are a lot more likely.

LOL you just said Fodder.

I tried to tell you guys from way back that white would not be cut. If he was in a QB battle with thigpen or penni he would have gotten reps in the preseason game. You tell me a coaching staff that will cut a guy without giving him a fair shot at playing in the preseason to see what he can do? (typically in the first two preseason games). Now I am hearing that white may not even play in the third game? he is definitely staying, Henni ofcourse is staying and you need a vet backup for a playoff run so penni is staying. Unless we keep 4 qb's then thigpen is out. See simple...



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 08/25/2010 01:14PM by Miami Reppa.

Again... the problem is that thigpen and henni are the same guy except at this stage of development henni is much more polished. If he goes down penni lead us to an 11-5 season so I have much confidence in him. So now what does thigpen add to the fold if these two are health? nothing!

Pat white is a change of pace guy that even if henni and penni are healthy you can still bring in. The are still trying to perfect the pistol offense which he is in charge of, I think that we will see alot of this pistol (spread) offense run by pat white in the fourth preseason game... you heard it first here, and unless we keep 4 qb's thigpen is the odd man out.

-Reppa signing off



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 08/25/2010 01:16PM by Miami Reppa.

Miami Reppa Wrote:
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> Again... the problem is that thigpen and henni are
> the same guy except at this stage of development
> henni is much more polished. If he goes down
> penni lead us to an 11-5 season so I have much
> confidence in him. So now what does thigpen add
> to the fold if these two are health? nothing!
>
> Pat white is a change of pace guy that even if
> henni and penni are healthy you can still bring
> in.

Reppa, you're still completely wrong on this. A back up QB is there as a contingency if your main QB goes down. That's the way it's been done by nearly all teams for the last 30 years. This idea of having a change-of-pace QB is a new, and temporary, fad. QBs are not RBs.