Your attempts to equate one analogy with another, a favorite ploy of yours, is a basically flawed attempt to score debating points. Your attempts to pass off your opinions as fact are ludicrous.

Rick

ChryenB, You, sir, are simply being obtuse.

Rick



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THE Truth Wrote:
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> Anyone care to tell us where Don Shula 's first HC
> gig was?
>


Baltimore Colts, at the ripe old age of 33?

"Example #2 3rd and inches -- run a freaking sweep pulling Gs and lose 5."
This is only one of the plays you mentioned, but you characterize it as a "bad call".

Let's examine this play. Most playcallers are going to go for a straight dive play, so the defensive line goes low and the linebackers fill the holes. Two other defenders try for penetration in the tackle area to prevent any outside move by the offense. Therefore, most defenders on the play are in the tackle box with little prospect of much movement. We run a fake dive to freeze the inside defenders and have two blockers in front of the RB, all moving to the outside. A third blocker is tasked to block the one guy on that side trying to get penetration. If his block(essentially, a trap) is successful, no other defender with the possible exception of a DB or two are in position to make a play until the play is several yards downfield, and there are leading blockers for them to contend with. Excellent chance for a good gain. The weakness of the play is the block on the one defender trying to get penetration. Unfortunately, our guy whiffed on that block, and that defender blew up the play. Not poor play calling, but poor execution screwed up that play. If you look at the play, you will see it was open to the outside. If the play works, its probably a big gainer and a "great call!" It didn't work, so its a "terrible call!"

Rick

on 3rd and inches you do a qb sneak....especially when you have a 6'4 225 pound QB....and a very good center.

Total disagreement dude… You don’t pull Gs in that situation when you know the D is going to balls-out penetration. Did you see the play? RB was TRAPPED 5 yards behind the LOS and the backside pursuit was all over him. ZERO chance for that play to work.

Pouncy + Jerry + Incognito = sufficient mass for the QB to pick up an inch. I mean if a pathetic athlete like the Lady can consistently get 'er done -- me thinks Thill might be useful in such situations - especially with a little practice.

But right now our short-yardage package is pathetic. And that's a matter the coaching staff needs to get resolved -- like RIGHT NOW!

That said. It was a total shit call. And everyone (excluding you) already knows that.

Personally, if I was going to try and defend Sherm and/or the staff -- I'd find situations that aren’t so obviously WRONG.

My opinion. Of course.

BNF.



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samsam3738 Wrote:
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> on 3rd and inches you do a qb sneak....especially
> when you have a 6'4 225 pound QB....and a very
> good center.

Exactly! Whatever happened to the QB sneak? I haven't seen us run that in years.

Chris Perkins ?@chrisperk 2m
#Dolphins DE Cam Wake (knee), DT Paul Soliai (knee) practice for part media allowed 2 watch.

I agree that running a slow developing sweep with your slowest RB is not what I would've called. I'll admit that a few expletives were shouted at the television after the play. That said, I don't think it's particularly fair to judge a coordinator on the basis of one call. He called a pretty good game in the fourth quarter of the Atlanta game (particularly the winning drive). The only thing I'm certain of at this point is that the offensive line has to be retooled next year. Starting the same players and expecting them to be much better is pointless. It's hard to judge players or coaches when you have a line that is being tossed around like proverbial rag dolls. An offensive line that is even average by NFL standards would make this offense exponentially better.

I agree phin72.....this Oline isnt even average. They are just terrible.

jsm08 Wrote:
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> The phins got beat by a better team.
>
> Philbin didn't cause tannehill's fumble or
> intercept his pass with 2mins to play in the first
> half.
>
> On the road against a better team on a Monday
> night. It snowballed into a blowout.
>
> Was anyone giving philbin credit when we were only
> down 14-10 after the way NO drove it right down
> the field on the opening drive? Didn't he make
> adjustments to keep that from happening again in
> the first half?
>
> what a bunch of chicken littles.
>
> I love philbin's approach and demeaner. I'd
> rather that calm cool approach to the rex ryans of
> the league.
>
> Fire a coach after his first loss of the year in
> week 4 of his 2nd season. That's brilliant.


Amen.

JC Wrote:
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> THE Truth Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Anyone care to tell us where Don Shula 's first
> HC
> > gig was?
> >
>
>
> Baltimore Colts, at the ripe old age of 33?


What.... No previous HC experience in college or Canada?

How can that be?

Colonel, on your pomposity point, when all he had to do to Vontae is tell him that the Colts made us "an offer we couldn't refuse" this pompous ass started telling him how he was not good enough for the Dolphins and how they were letting him go (just like he was being cut instead of trading).

That earned him my hatred right there at that point! I don't have any connection to Vontae Davis. The only guy that played for this team I had that kind of thing was Bob Griese.

Fact is, though, our secondary leaves a lot to be desired but that's another point.

dolphan4545 Wrote:
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> "Example #2 3rd and inches -- run a freaking sweep
> pulling Gs and lose 5."
> This is only one of the plays you mentioned, but
> you characterize it as a "bad call".
>
> Let's examine this play. Most playcallers are
> going to go for a straight dive play, so the
> defensive line goes low and the linebackers fill
> the holes. Two other defenders try for penetration
> in the tackle area to prevent any outside move by
> the offense. Therefore, most defenders on the play
> are in the tackle box with little prospect of much
> movement. We run a fake dive to freeze the inside
> defenders and have two blockers in front of the
> RB, all moving to the outside. A third blocker is
> tasked to block the one guy on that side trying to
> get penetration. If his block(essentially, a trap)
> is successful, no other defender with the possible
> exception of a DB or two are in position to make a
> play until the play is several yards downfield,
> and there are leading blockers for them to contend
> with. Excellent chance for a good gain. The
> weakness of the play is the block on the one
> defender trying to get penetration. Unfortunately,
> our guy whiffed on that block, and that defender
> blew up the play. Not poor play calling, but poor
> execution screwed up that play. If you look at the
> play, you will see it was open to the outside. If
> the play works, its probably a big gainer and a
> "great call!" It didn't work, so its a "terrible
> call!"

Not too mention the fact that we didn't even run a "sweep". If anything it was a run off tackle.

samsam3738 Wrote:
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> on 3rd and inches you do a qb sneak....especially
> when you have a 6'4 225 pound QB....and a very
> good center.


Didn't we try that twice against indy with no success?

so if they win out, no matter what, you think he should be gone after the season?

sounds like he slept with your wife.

THE Truth Wrote:
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> samsam3738 Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > on 3rd and inches you do a qb
> sneak....especially
> > when you have a 6'4 225 pound QB....and a very
> > good center.
>
>
> Didn't we try that twice against indy with no
> success?


the odds would had been better to sneak instead of what they did...and tannehill had a huge hole to the right of the Oline.

And to do it with daniel thomas who is a dam bust is even more insane.

THE Truth Wrote:
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> samsam3738 Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > on 3rd and inches you do a qb
> sneak....especially
> > when you have a 6'4 225 pound QB....and a very
> > good center.
>
>
> Didn't we try that twice against indy with no
> success?

Look, you can justify going against the conventional play call on every play IN THE GAME on the basis that conventional play calls fail too.

That's goes without saying.

Nothing is EVER guaranteed.

But the reason that the conventional play call is regarded as CONVENTIONAL is because it is the BEST CHANCE thing to do under the circumstances.

Sure, every once and awhile a 'FAKE PUNT' will catch the other team off guard and the punter can run for a first down but you try that every fourth down and see how your lost record soars.

But even setting that aside, the one time you DON'T gamble is with your opportunity TO MAKE A FIRST DOWN WITH AN INCH TO GO.

I see that while I was typing, you posted the same thing in different words, SamSam.

I think this argument is rather silly. We are off to a better start than anyone could have expected considering our schedule. We are also developing a young QB that is showing great potential for the future.

As of today, I would say that Philbin is one of the safest coaches in the NFL in terms of job security.

Yes, he should have run a QB sneak against the Saints. Most people make mistakes. It happens.

Really? What play were you watching?

Rick

dolphaholic Wrote:
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> samsam3738 Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Brandon Marshall avg with Dolphins, then blew
> up
> > with Bears. Reggie Bush was avg, and is now
> > killing it in Detroit. When is it coaching?
>
> Wouldn't that make Sean Payton a moron also then?

You REALLY MEAN to tell me that you don't know the difference between on the field coaching and trades???????????????????????



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got cha chren...............although i dont think we should be firing philbin anytime soon.

The jury still out...and we are 3-1 with the chance of been 4-1 going into the bye.

When is the last time we started 3-1 in the regular season?

We were beat in a very hostile stadium by a better team...without
some key players on defense to add to the fire. Soliai played a
few snaps wake didnt play and peterson didnt play either.



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Northeast Fin Fan Wrote:
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> I think this argument is rather silly. We are off
> to a better start than anyone could have expected
> considering our schedule. We are also developing
> a young QB that is showing great potential for the
> future.
>
> As of today, I would say that Philbin is one of
> the safest coaches in the NFL in terms of job
> security.
>
> Yes, he should have run a QB sneak against the
> Saints. Most people make mistakes. It happens.

You'll see Northeast. He was outcoached in this game and will be out-coached the rest of the way. Not saying he will lose to the Ravens. Maybe Flacco won't get his confidence back but from the way I've seen Buffalo, and the Pats and the Jets play....Hold on to your hats!

We are 3-1. Try to enjoy it and hope for the best, rather than predict the worst.