ChyrenB Wrote:
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> KB Wrote:
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> > ?!?!? Come on read your comment, as I read it,
> > you were arguing that the reason Kapernick
> wasn't
> > at the top of the passing stats was because he
> > 'Runs for 200 yards a game'. He doesn't. That
> > was ONE game. Over the year he averaged less
> than
> > 40 yards per game 'rushing'.
>
> RESPONSE: No, I was simply saying that the more a
> quarterback runs in a given game, the more his
> passing yardage is going to go down and VICE
> VERSA. WHEN A QUARTERBACK DOES NOT HAND OFF, he
> can only do two things, run or pass. The more he
> does one, the less he does the other in a given
> game.
>
> The more these mobile qbs today run, the less
> their passing statistics are going to be.
>
>
>
> > That's not what I'm saying at all. Steve
> Young
> > didn't run the Wishbone and is the second
> leading
> > rushing QB EVER. But he also passed better
> than
> > he ran. THAT is why he was successful.
>
> RESPONSE: Again, you are misinterpreting me. I
> used the word "wishbone" because SINCE THE DAYS
> THAT THE FORWARD PASS WAS FIRST INVENTED, THAT was
> the brief time in history (and it was only run in
> college) that you might find the quarterback
> taking the ball from center and running it (if he
> did not dish it off).
>
> That was just a brief reference meant only to
> denote that football started out as a running game
> ONLY. Then the forward pass was invented. Then
> there were always scrambling QBs who mainly
> scrambled behind the line of scrimmage in order to
> allow their receivers to get free. Then there
> briefly came the wishbone wherein QBs would run
> the ball. Then there was a return to the pocket
> passer. Now there is this new breed of QBs, one
> of which is Tannehill, that are not traditional
> pocket passers.
>
> If you guys think that Tannehill is closer to Bob
> Griese or Dan Marino than he is to RGIII or
> Kaepernick, then I disagree.
>
> >
> > A scrambler 'usually doesn't even rush for a
> > single yard', doesn't 'GAIN YARDAGE' ?!?!?!
> > Tarkenton is #4 in QB rushing yards ALL TIME.
>
> RESPONSE: Yeah, but you're talking about an era
> in which quarterbacks usually stay in the pocket
> and don't run at all.
>
> Sure on some of the scrambles, he may pass the
> line of scrimmage.
>
> Sure he's going to pile up more career yardage
> than the Bob Grieses and Dan Marino's.
>
> Is it any wonder??????
>
>
> > This is silly, QB's have ALWAYS picked up the
> > first down if they could with their feet.
> Brady
> > had 4 rushing TD's this year. only 1 less than
> > Mr. Kapernick.
>
> RESPONSE: Now who's being silly? Of course, no
> one means to say that even a Bob Griese does not
> occasionally in goal line stands fake the hand off
> and then run in.
>
> If you live your whole life in statistics, KB,
> you'll never see the big picture. It is a form of
> autism to just dwell in the numbers and not be
> able to translate them into real life.
>
> It ends up in ridiculous conclusions like you just
> drew that Brady is as mobile as Kaepernick.
> LOL!!!!!!!!
> > Actualy Vick had one of his best years
> > statistically the first year he started AFTER
> he
> > came back. It was the FIRST time in his carer
> he
> > threw for over 3000 yards. Look it up...
>
> RESPONSE: Again, you are addressing a different
> point. You were talking about the LONGEVITY of
> Michael Vicks career and now you come up with
> talking about his best year.
>
> Obviously a guy's best year is likely to be LATER
> IN HIS CAREER (whether that was broken up by a
> prison term in the middle or not).
>
> But the LONGEVITY OF A GUYS career takes into
> account the length of time between when he first
> signs as a pro and when he hangs it up.
>
> So what do you think Michael Vick would have
> accomplished in his prime, (immediately after his
> first few season) had he NOT GONE TO PRISON.
>
> > OK, this is the loopiest comment of all.
> 'Randall
> > Cunningham was never really known as a
> > running quarterback.' ??????????? Dude,
> > Cunningham is #1 ALL TIME in yards as a rushing
> QB
> > by a good margin. WHAT are you talking about?
>
> RESPONSE: So Randall Cunningham was just as much
> of a threat to run the ball than Kaepernick or
> RGIII?????????????
>
> Dude, you are talking about a guy who was
> considered MOBIL IN AN ERA IN WHICH OTHER
> QUARTERBACKS WERE ABSOLUTE STIFFS!!!!!
>
> You can't compare that with today's new breed.
>
> And the fact that he has the record of the number
> 1 yardage rushing NOW, NOW, NOW, NOW, AT THIS
> PRECISE SECOND, (when the most of history has
> Cunningham competing with the Bob Grieses of
> history) may be true.
>
> Look at those stats in three years when
> Kaepernick, RGIII, Tannehill, Luck and the other
> guys have had a few more years behind center.
>
> You kids spend so much time in stats, you don't
> take a step back, a deep breath, and look at the
> big picture.
> > SO now hail Mary's are examples of 'accurate'
> > throws?
>
> RESPONSE: Did you see that pass? It was not a
> Hail Mary. His receiver was alone at the spot and
> was THEN JOINED BY THE DEFENDER WHO TRIED TO STRIP
> THE BALL FROM HIM.
>
> You should watch the film again (on nfl.com) and
> see that it was not just thrown into the endzone
> and a jump up and grab in a crowd occurred. That's
> a Hail Mary.
>
> >
>
> > Eh, Dante Culperrer had one too.
And no I
> > really DON'T see a difference yet. We are
> STILL
> > at the bottom of the league in passing stats.
>
> RESPONSE: Again with stats! If you can't see how
> effective Tannehill will be EVEN IN PASSING
> without that extra running threats he presents, I
> don't know what to say.
>
> And he has no deep threat TODAY!
>
> That's why it is silly to rely on stats!
>
> If we rely on stats, we might as well get rid of
> Tannehill.
>
> Since Tanny has no deep threat, they flood the
> short zones.
>
> When he gets a legitimate deep threat at WR come
> back and talk to me about those stats./
>
>
> > Yes I wish I were in 1983 again lol!
>
> RESPONSE: So do I.
We could go on like this forever (and almost have lol!). I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree. I quote stats because they are quantitative measures of individual performance. What do these guys have in common. Farve, Marino, Brees, Brady, Elway, Manning? Top 10 Yards/TD PASSING STATS. You wouldn't want one of them in their prime over Russell Wilson or Mike Vick? Please. And to switch gears for a moment, "Tannehill doesn't have any stats because he doesn't have some speed burner receiver" is as big a myth as the 'New Breed' QB. What 'deep threat' do the Pats have? Welker? Old man Branch? Yet SOMEHOW that old pocket passer up there threw for nearly 5000 yards at 35 years old? Hmmm....
Those who can pass do, those who can't make excuses