Let me put it THIS way...for the first time in a LONG time I'm not worried about the QB position for next year:

Henne always had question marks around him
Pennington had a noodle arm and an injury history
Beck never developed and was an old rookie anyway
White was.....uh....no need to say
(and so on...)

The only thing I wonder about is who will back up Tanny.



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I'm not totally sold on Tannehill or the coaches for that matter. While I can see that there are reasons for optomism it's clear that compared to the other rookie QBs Tanny is not exceptional by any stretch. Certainly he will improve but, so will RG111, Luck and, the others.
After watching that stinker in NE I'm wondering if our coaches have what it takes to prepare and motivate their team to play like it matters or, even to develop Tanny properly. I just don't see "IT" in Philbin or Sherman.
I'll be here with the rest of you for the off-season and the draft and maybe there will be a splash but, I can't see it from here.

Hooligan2 Wrote:
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> I'm not totally sold on Tannehill or the coaches
> for that matter. While I can see that there are
> reasons for optomism it's clear that compared to
> the other rookie QBs Tanny is not exceptional by
> any stretch. Certainly he will improve but, so
> will RG111, Luck and, the others.
> After watching that stinker in NE I'm wondering if
> our coaches have what it takes to prepare and
> motivate their team to play like it matters or,
> even to develop Tanny properly. I just don't see
> "IT" in Philbin or Sherman.
> I'll be here with the rest of you for the
> off-season and the draft and maybe there will be a
> splash but, I can't see it from here.


Comparing him to RGIII or Luck should NOT be the measuring stick for how your judge Ryan Tannihill. Dan Marino Far out paced Jim Kelly and John Elway stat wise. Ryan Tannihill has got it in him. I believe there is no question about it. But I agree with you , Its about how Philbin and Sherman bring him along. It depends on what tools do they put in his toolbox to help him get the Job done.

If the Dolphins pick Terrell Davis in the 6th round in 95' instead of the Broncos, then maybe Dan Marino gets a ring instead of Elway.
Who knows? Its a complicated chemistry that only 1 team out of 32 gets right once a year. But FINALLY , FINALLY Miami got 1 step of the process right. QB Ryan Tannihill. The rest I'm not so sure of, but I am optimistic with a terrible coach like Saprano gone. It will be interesting to see how Philbin responds in his second year.

GO DOLPHINS!!!!

I see nothing in Tannehill that excites me for next year.

He does not read defenses, he decides where he is going to throw the ball before the snap.

He audibles into plays the defense wants him to by disquising their coverage.

He cannot throw the deep ball.

His slant passes are not accurate.

I do not see anything that he does well, not to mention the fact that the QB that followed him in college lit up the football world and did more with what Tannehill could not get it done with.

I am still holding my breath w/ THill hoping he lights it up next year. I would still draft a backup w/ the 2nd or in the 3rd rnd. I want to see THILL perform rather than believing he will.

dolphin Wrote:
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> I see nothing in Tannehill that excites me for
> next year.
>
> He does not read defenses, he decides where he is
> going to throw the ball before the snap.
>
> He audibles into plays the defense wants him to by
> disquising their coverage.
>
> He cannot throw the deep ball.
>
> His slant passes are not accurate.


RESPONSE: I disagree with all of the above.

>
> I do not see anything that he does well, not to
> mention the fact that the QB that followed him in
> college lit up the football world and did more
> with what Tannehill could not get it done with.

RESPONSE: Fact No. 1: The guy is a fresman AND HE WON the Heisman trophy. So he outdid EVERY OTHER COLLEGE QB, SOME SENIORS.

Fact No. 2: His opposing defenses were at the college level, let's wait and see what HE does when HE gets to the pros.

TreasurecoastPhinsfan Wrote:
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> Hooligan2 Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I'm not totally sold on Tannehill or the
> coaches
> > for that matter. While I can see that there are
> > reasons for optomism it's clear that compared
> to
> > the other rookie QBs Tanny is not exceptional
> by
> > any stretch. Certainly he will improve but, so
> > will RG111, Luck and, the others.
> > After watching that stinker in NE I'm wondering
> if
> > our coaches have what it takes to prepare and
> > motivate their team to play like it matters or,
> > even to develop Tanny properly. I just don't
> see
> > "IT" in Philbin or Sherman.
> > I'll be here with the rest of you for the
> > off-season and the draft and maybe there will be
> a
> > splash but, I can't see it from here.
>
>
> Comparing him to RGIII or Luck should NOT be the
> measuring stick for how your judge Ryan Tannihill.
> Dan Marino Far out paced Jim Kelly and John
> Elway stat wise. Ryan Tannihill has got it in him.
> I believe there is no question about it. But I
> agree with you , Its about how Philbin and Sherman
> bring him along. It depends on what tools do they
> put in his toolbox to help him get the Job done.
>
> If the Dolphins pick Terrell Davis in the 6th
> round in 95' instead of the Broncos, then maybe
> Dan Marino gets a ring instead of Elway.
> Who knows? Its a complicated chemistry that only
> 1 team out of 32 gets right once a year. But
> FINALLY , FINALLY Miami got 1 step of the process
> right. QB Ryan Tannihill. The rest I'm not so sure
> of, but I am optimistic with a terrible coach like
> Saprano gone. It will be interesting to see how
> Philbin responds in his second year.

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It is very unfair to RT for anyone to be comparing him to Luck and RG III. Those guys had, I believe, 4 full years at QB. RT had 16 games. Big difference.

RT, for his lack of experience, did pretty well. Reading NFL defenses isn't easy to do. Once he got his feet wet, RT played well.

He has now had a year of NFL experience and will have a full off season to improve. I think he can do it.

I didn't see the last game, so I can't really comment on your statement about the coaching. All I can say is that this past season was Philbin's first as a HC. He is in the learning process just like the players. This upcoming season, if Ireland gets him some players, should tell the story, but even that quite often isn't enough time. Sometimes an owner has to be extremely patient with a coach to give him a little time to really get going, ala Belichick.

ChyrenB Wrote:
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> dolphin Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I see nothing in Tannehill that excites me for
> > next year.
> >
> > He does not read defenses, he decides where he
> is
> > going to throw the ball before the snap.
> >
> > He audibles into plays the defense wants him to
> by
> > disquising their coverage.
> >
> > He cannot throw the deep ball.
> >
> > His slant passes are not accurate.
>
>
> RESPONSE: I disagree with all of the above.
>
> >
> > I do not see anything that he does well, not to
> > mention the fact that the QB that followed him
> in
> > college lit up the football world and did more
> > with what Tannehill could not get it done with.
>
> RESPONSE: Fact No. 1: The guy is a fresman AND
> HE WON the Heisman trophy. So he outdid EVERY
> OTHER COLLEGE QB, SOME SENIORS.
>
> Fact No. 2: His opposing defenses were at the
> college level, let's wait and see what HE does
> when HE gets to the pros.

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Stats quite often get in the way of what is really going on.

Johnny Football had a great year, no doubt about it. Let's see what he does from here on out.

Now, as far as stats....U. of Hawaii, for about three straight QBs, put up record-breaking numbers. Where are they now?

Great Point. BUT.....we got one of Hawaii's recievers in Bess!

Its a team sport. Thats what people like Dolphin refuse to understand. Its a BIG picture and they are concentrating on a small part of it.

GO DOLPHINS!!!!

I wasn't worried about QB when we had Pennington, Henne, and Moore. That got us nowhere.

Ryan Tannehill proved little. Glad he got experience, but the only thing that counts is results. So far, Tannehill's results are minimal.

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Miami Dolphins. Always Perfect.

Hey Treasure...I don't agree with DolfanKing much, but you're constant bashing is really getting old. It seems you have nothing better to do than to make sarcastic remarks about everyone else's posts.

12 TD's and 13 picks puts him in the bottom tier of QB's in my book. Not that he has much help with tools, but that's another story. Now if/when he chucks the rock for at least 20 td's with fewer picks than TD's I'll be more optimistic. Until then I'm not getting too excited, but I'm hoping for the better.

There was an article in the news wire that talked about Tannehill having a "classic year". I'm not sure what it talked about because of a bad link by sun sentinel but it is a similar thought that I had as it pertains to the normal progression of a QB.

RG3, Luck, Wilson, Cam Newton and Andy Dalton had unusual rookie seasons. They have been the exception...Not the rule.

It has never been normal for a rookie QB to come in and have immediate success. Since Dan Marino did it in 1983 it hasn't happened very often. In a partial season MArino threw for 20 TD's and 6 int's. That was rare at the time. What he did the following season in 1984 was unheard of.

Going back beyond the above mentioned players it was Joe Flacco and Matt Ryan who had relatively good success as rookies. Ryan threw for 3440/16/11. It was a good year for a rookie who also played on a much improved TEAM. He also had an Elite WR and much talent on offense.

Flacco threw for 2971/14/12 and was considered by many to have had a good year for another good TEAM.

Ryan played 40 games in college and Flacco played 29 games. We all know RT played 19 at QB.

Tannehill threw for 3294/12/13. Was that really all that much worse than what what Flacco did? Was it even all that much worse than what Matt Ryan did?

Absolutely NOT. It is just magnified by the fact that our TEAM finished with a losing record.

Everyone on the the TEAM contributed to our losses this year. Special teams giving up TD's. Kicker missing game winning FG's. DB's getting hurt, Other DB's playing poorly. Defensive Lineman not showing up week in and week out. Offensive lineman playing very poorly. WR's not having the talent to consistently beat NFL Corners.

Tannehill's season was not too far off from what Matt Ryan And Flacco achieved during their rookie season....and he did it with way fewer college starts. Some people just expect too much because of a few ridiculous rookie seasons in recent memory.

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“I'm here" You're welcome!" - Kenny Powers



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montequi Wrote:
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> Hey Treasure...I don't agree with DolfanKing much,
> but you're constant bashing is really getting old.
> It seems you have nothing better to do than to
> make sarcastic remarks about everyone else's
> posts.


Happy New Year to you to. Name someone else? please provide a link to EVERYONE elses post please.

GO DOLPHINS!!!!

808phan Wrote:
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> 12 TD's and 13 picks puts him in the bottom tier
> of QB's in my book. Not that he has much help with
> tools, but that's another story. Now if/when he
> chucks the rock for at least 20 td's with fewer
> picks than TD's I'll be more optimistic. Until
> then I'm not getting too excited, but I'm hoping
> for the better.

He through 4 INTs in his first game...and that was against Houston. Take that away and he only has 9 picks.

montequi Wrote:
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> 808phan Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > 12 TD's and 13 picks puts him in the bottom
> tier
> > of QB's in my book. Not that he has much help
> with
> > tools, but that's another story. Now if/when he
> > chucks the rock for at least 20 td's with fewer
> > picks than TD's I'll be more optimistic. Until
> > then I'm not getting too excited, but I'm
> hoping
> > for the better.
>
> He through 4 INTs in his first game...and that was
> against Houston. Take that away and he only has 9
> picks.


Actually monti, he threw 3 picks at Houston week one. He also threw 2 at Arizona, 3 vs Tenn and 2 at buffalo.

That's 10 picks in 4 games. 4 or 5 of which were on balls deflected by d-lineman.

He had 3 games where he threw 1 pick and 7 games where he didnt throw a pick.

You forgot about Big Ben. His rookie year broke a ton of records for rookies.

Not sure what records he broke other than going 13-0 as a starter and winning the SB. His stats weren't earth shattering although they were good... 2621/17/11.

He also was only asked to throw the ball 295 times or 21 times a game. RT threw it 484 times or 30 times a game and he missed almost a complete game or it would have been more.

Matt Ryan = 434 attempts
Joe Flacco = 428 attempts

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“I'm here" You're welcome!" - Kenny Powers

Decent point - actually almost 1/2 of his INTs came in 2 games. I was impressed that he had 2 separate 4-game stretches with no INTs (though one was the Jests game where he came out early).

In my opinion INTs aren't likely to be his problem in the long term. But, he needs to throw for more TDs. And I think that's a combo of better play/maturity on his part and better weapons.

He needs to work on his ball placement. A couple of those throws to were for long gains but he did not hit the WR in stride. Some were his fault and some were just because he was under pressure.

He will get better with practice and better protection. Confidence in the pocket is huge.

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“I'm here" You're welcome!" - Kenny Powers

808phan Wrote:
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> 12 TD's and 13 picks puts him in the bottom tier
> of QB's in my book. Not that he has much help with
> tools, but that's another story. Now if/when he
> chucks the rock for at least 20 td's with fewer
> picks than TD's I'll be more optimistic. Until
> then I'm not getting too excited, but I'm hoping
> for the better.

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The problem is that many people will only get "excited" if Tanney's stats improve (i.e., TD to Int ratio). That's great, and I agree that he needs to improve on that, but those final stats can tell us two things:

(1) The numbers are not that good

(2) The FINAL numbers are pretty good because of what those numbers were in the middle of the season. How many ints did he throw in the last month, month and a half. How many TDs in that period? I don't have the numbers in front of me, but I can (almost) guarantee that there were more TDs than Ints.

That, to me, is a good sign; a sign of improvement; a sign he is understanding the NFL game.

I am not advocating anyone on this board get "excited" about RT next year. I just wish for all of us to give him another year to show what he can or can't do. If he does not improve, then regretfully, Miami will have to look for that franchise QB, yet once again.

Here's hoping Miami doesn't have to do that.

13 picks are no big deal if you throw 20+ TD's.. The amount of interceptions wasn't quite as concerning as the deficiencies in the red zone with just 12 TD's in 16 starts, that stat needs to double next year... His yard thrown gave me some confidence and how he didn't fall apart in games and handled himself not like a rookie on the field...He adjusted to the speed of the game very well for a rookie Qb. I was a little concerned that he didn't seem as evasive in the pocket as I would have thought an ex WR athlete like him could be.. I am all for giving Tanehill another couple years, he is still pretty raw and has skills and athleticism that has yet to translate to the field, I am hoping it all come together for him, but still very nervous about the situation...

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All things are subject to interpretation whichever interpretation prevails at a given time is a function of power and not truth.
Nietzsche

Kind of off topic, but the Indy gm had the brains enough to draft TY Hilton 92nd overall along with Luck. Despite a glaring need at WR, we said eff it. We will get rashard Mathews in the 7th, get some scrub Binns off the waiver wire in week 13, start legend naneeenee for the first half of the season, then unleash marlon Moore at WR when bess went down. Ty beat us when we plaed them, either that or Sean smith with his coverage

Todd McShay ?@McShay13

My top10 QB grades (08-12): Luck 99, RGIII 98, Bradford 98, Ryan 98, Stafford 95, Tannehill 94, Gabbert 94, Sanchez 93, Newton 93, Flacco 91

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“I'm here" You're welcome!" - Kenny Powers

eesti Wrote:
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> Todd McShay ?@McShay13
>
> My top10 QB grades (08-12): Luck 99, RGIII 98,
> Bradford 98, Ryan 98, Stafford 95, Tannehill 94,
> Gabbert 94, Sanchez 93, Newton 93, Flacco 91


Well one thing is for certain...

Todd Mcshay is NOT Dolphinking

or Dolphin or Crowder....


. @68INCOGNITO on Ryan Tannehill: Ryan had full control of the Dolphins huddle and he is only going to get better. #SXMSports #FinsUp

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“I'm here" You're welcome!" - Kenny Powers

Tannehill even with Gabbert and only one point ahead of Sanchez?
Excuse me if I don't do cartwheels.

. . . or finshady

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The beatings will continue until morale improves.

Hooligan2 Wrote:
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> Tannehill even with Gabbert and only one point
> ahead of Sanchez?
> Excuse me if I don't do cartwheels.

Wouldn't want you to spill your glass when it's only half empty.

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“I'm here" You're welcome!" - Kenny Powers