The point you miss in your post chyren is that I would rather have Tannehill as a top 8 QB instead of Blackmon as a top 5 WR. Blackmon is better relative to his position at WR but QB is a much more important position so Tannehill as a top 8 QB has more value to my team.

that's true, but that's not a reason to take tannehill at 8 if you think he's got a shot at being a franchise QB. There are enough "experts" out there that think he is that taking him at 8 isn't that insane of an idea.

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And Chyren, stop calling Tannehill a second round prospect. Almost every draft expert has him as a top 20 prospect. Or maybe you knew that but forgot top 20 is still in the first round.

dolphin1423 Wrote:
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> And Chyren, stop calling Tannehill a second round
> prospect. Almost every draft expert has him as a
> top 20 prospect. Or maybe you knew that but
> forgot top 20 is still in the first round.


ONly becuase he is in a prime spot for being overdrafted. The guy is a converted Reciever who only played 19 games as a QB. But with Luck and RGIII in the draft its slim pickens so he will go in the Top 20 for sure. But he is certainly just a 2nd round prospect any other draft.

berkeley223 Wrote:
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> there isn't one player we could take at 8 that can
> even approach luck and rg3. that can't be the
> test. those 2 guys are head and shoulders above
> every other prospect in the draft.


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Todd McShay has Tannehill at the same level as RG3.

Now, that is definately debateable. But, one guy (McShay) has him rated side-by-side with RG3.

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TreasurecoastPhinsfan Wrote:
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> dolphin1423 Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > And Chyren, stop calling Tannehill a second
> round
> > prospect. Almost every draft expert has him as
> a
> > top 20 prospect. Or maybe you knew that but
> > forgot top 20 is still in the first round.
>
>
> ONly becuase he is in a prime spot for being
> overdrafted. The guy is a converted Reciever who
> only played 19 games as a QB. But with Luck and
> RGIII in the draft its slim pickens so he will go
> in the Top 20 for sure. But he is certainly just
> a 2nd round prospect any other draft.


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Converted WR?

Really? Come on.

This has been told over and over and over....Tannehill chose to play WR (and still atended all QB meetings) because at the time, they had an elder QB who had a hot hand as was seen as a Heisman candidate.

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dolphin1423 Wrote:
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> The point you miss in your post chyren is that I
> would rather have Tannehill as a top 8 QB instead
> of Blackmon as a top 5 WR. Blackmon is better
> relative to his position at WR but QB is a much
> more important position so Tannehill as a top 8 QB
> has more value to my team.

The point YOU miss, 1423, is that Tannehill has no business being a top 8 pick. Half of the experts only put him no. 8 because they THINK that's where he'll get drafted.

A lot of experts think that he's a reach at no. 8. As far as the second round is concerned, look at mock drafts created in 2011, that's where (or lower) he was projected to go.


If you want to learn something, read Treasure's post where he details it.

You guys crack me up. Read my post at the top of the page if you want to learn something Chyren. Tannehill is not a 2nd round prospect in ANY draft. Tannehill has a first round grade by most experts. The first round grade does not fluctuate depending on the year. For example, there could be 40 prospects with a first round grade or only 20 prospects with a first round grade in any given year.

Tanehill, based on being slotted in the mid teens on most big boards, would be considered a reach at #8. Except for the fact that he plays QB. Tannehill is limited by lack of experience. Not by any lack of physical skills, intangibles, or mental capacity. Thus his ceiling is extremely high. You don't worry about value when considering a potential franchise QB with the skills Tannehill possesses now plus his ceiling. You either have a conviction and pull the trigger where you are slotted or you don't draft him. But to be fair, in the strictest sense of the word, Tannehill would be a reach at #8.

And why in the world do I care about those mock drafts? Those same mocks probably had RGIII much later and everyone moved all around. Those mocks are before additional information such as workouts, interviews, and in depth tape study occurred. That is a BS point and has no credibility.

To conclude:

You base your phantom second round grade on mock drafts created before the combine, pro day, interviews, and before teams had a chance to really break down college film after the season. I base my top 20 prospect and 1st round grade off of the consensus of numerous draft experts opinions, many of which are highly respected in the NFL community.

All of those so called "Experts" just care where a person is drafted and they want to be correct where he is taken. They don't really give a shit where they are as a player 3 years down the road. That said he will most likely be a Top 20 Prospect. Any guy with 19 starts has a long way to go learning the position , let alone an NFL Playbook. But the fact that he is atheletic enough to play wide reciever is certainly a good skill to have.

I'm not saying Tanehill won't be a great prospect and won't develop into a Franchise Back. I am saying any QB that is taken in the Top 10 should be able to compete right away. Tanehill is a Project and from that prospective is just not good Value at #8. However if Ireland thinks he can be the man its worth it to us.

If he thinks Osweiler can be the man the wait and grab him. But both are clearly 2nd rounders in any other draft. They are both Fortunate Barkley and (name escapes me at the moment) both decided to do another year of college ball.

1423 is right and you guys are wrong.

He also has the facts to back it up.

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Watching Mike & Mike on ESPN2 right now, both Adam Schefter and Todd McShay are mentioning that we will move up to #3 to get Ryan Tannehill, with Schefter saying that he is hearing strong rumors of us doing this.

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Aqua&Orange Wrote:
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> Watching Mike & Mike on ESPN2 right now, both Adam
> Schefter and Todd McShay are mentioning that we
> will move up to #3 to get Ryan Tannehill, with
> Schefter saying that he is hearing strong rumors
> of us doing this.


You know what? If they are feeling that strong about him, then I support it. But it better pan out. Paying a little more for Jumping 1 more spot might have been a better gamble for RGIII.

Aqua&Orange Wrote:
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> Watching Mike & Mike on ESPN2 right now, both Adam
> Schefter and Todd McShay are mentioning that we
> will move up to #3 to get Ryan Tannehill, with
> Schefter saying that he is hearing strong rumors
> of us doing this.


I'm not in favor of moving up to #3, unless Minny want's to give the pick away (which I doubt), if he goes to Cleveland at #4, then so be it, take Coples or Ingram and move on.

trading up to #3 for tannehill would be so supremely stupid I wouldn't know what to do with myself. I just hope this is just some kind of sick joke. I am sure it's just BS put out there by the Vikings to try to get some idiot to move up to #3 and trade. Anyone see that fool Irsay's tweet yesterday about how great Tannehill is and how anyone that wants him needs to call the Vikings. How blatantly transparent.

but again....if anyone is stupid enough to make this move, it is "your miami dolphins"

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dolphin1423 Wrote:
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> You guys crack me up. Read my post at the top of
> the page if you want to learn something Chyren.
> Tannehill is not a 2nd round prospect in ANY
> draft. Tannehill has a first round grade by most
> experts. The first round grade does not fluctuate
> depending on the year. For example, there could
> be 40 prospects with a first round grade or only
> 20 prospects with a first round grade in any given
> year.
>
> Tanehill, based on being slotted in the mid teens
> on most big boards, would be considered a reach at
> #8. Except for the fact that he plays QB.
> Tannehill is limited by lack of experience. Not
> by any lack of physical skills, intangibles, or
> mental capacity. Thus his ceiling is extremely
> high. You don't worry about value when
> considering a potential franchise QB with the
> skills Tannehill possesses now plus his ceiling.
> You either have a conviction and pull the trigger
> where you are slotted or you don't draft him. But
> to be fair, in the strictest sense of the word,
> Tannehill would be a reach at #8.
>
> And why in the world do I care about those mock
> drafts? Those same mocks probably had RGIII much
> later and everyone moved all around. Those mocks
> are before additional information such as
> workouts, interviews, and in depth tape study
> occurred. That is a BS point and has no
> credibility.
>
> To conclude:
>
> You base your phantom second round grade on mock
> drafts created before the combine, pro day,
> interviews, and before teams had a chance to
> really break down college film after the season.
> I base my top 20 prospect and 1st round grade off
> of the consensus of numerous draft experts
> opinions, many of which are highly respected in
> the NFL community.


Spot on 1423. Very well said.

Aqua&Orange Wrote:
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> Watching Mike & Mike on ESPN2 right now, both Adam
> Schefter and Todd McShay are mentioning that we
> will move up to #3 to get Ryan Tannehill, with
> Schefter saying that he is hearing strong rumors
> of us doing this.


I like it and I don't like it.

I hate the idea of gutting a draft by trading up for the 3rd best qb prospect.

But I love the idea that our staff and front office finally Believe in a qb prospect enough to push their chips to the middle of the table.

Nobody is in a better position to accurately predict tannehills future than we are. But they better be right. They won't get a 2nd shot at this.

If they are wrong, we are stuck in 4-12 to 8-8 loserville for the next 3-5 years.

But if they are right, nobody except CB will complain. They will be applauded for having the balls to go get their guy.

After all, if you re-drafted the 1983 draft today with elway and Marino going 1 & 2, would anyone be upset if we traded to #3 to select Jim Kelly?



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Again,

I feel in my heart that none of this will play out.

I dont think Tannehill will be a Dolphin. I think we will pick at #8 and Tannehill WILL NOT be the pick....even if he is on the board.

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berkeley223 Wrote:
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> trading up to #3 for tannehill would be so
> supremely stupid I wouldn't know what to do with
> myself. I just hope this is just some kind of sick
> joke. I am sure it's just BS put out there by the
> Vikings to try to get some idiot to move up to #3
> and trade. Anyone see that fool Irsay's tweet
> yesterday about how great Tannehill is and how
> anyone that wants him needs to call the Vikings.
> How blatantly transparent.
>
> but again....if anyone is stupid enough to make
> this move, it is "your miami dolphins"

I disagree berk. It's not stupid at all.

It's very very risky but you are dead in the water in the nfl without a franchise qb. When you don't have one you pay the price when you have a shot at one and go get him.

gamble for RG3. Gamble for Luck. Gamble for someone who is not such a roll of the dice. Don't gamble for this guy. Taking him at 8 is a gamble enough. Do you really think any other team is going to trade up for him? Or that the Browns are going to take him at #4? No they will not.

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again I am not buying the fact that we are going to trade up to #3. I think it is just a smoke screen to drum up interest in the vikings pick.
trading up will cost either our 2d and two 3ds this year, or next year's number 1. Both options are completely horrible for a big time project QB who you are hoping based on essentially on physical ability alone will maybe be a franchise QB. The track record for QBs who have as few college starts as this guy is terrible. Sanchez, Kyle Boller, and some others they trot out every year as cautionary tales. Yes Cam Newton started only 1 year---but what a year! Tannehill's season does not compare nor does his physical ability.

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berkeley223 Wrote:
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> gamble for RG3. Gamble for Luck. Gamble for
> someone who is not such a roll of the dice. Don't
> gamble for this guy. Taking him at 8 is a gamble
> enough. Do you really think any other team is
> going to trade up for him? Or that the Browns are
> going to take him at #4? No they will not.


That are ALL a gamble. If you believe in a guy go get him. If you sit on your ass and HOPE he falls to you you are either the smartest guy in the league or the dumbest.

All it takes is one GM with bigger balls who sees what you see in a player and you get scooped. You can do that when you are hunting for a RB or LB. but if you get to cute when it comes to filling the single most important position in sports you get 18 journeymen qb's in 13 years and 1 playoff win.

THE Truth Wrote:
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> berkeley223 Wrote:
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> > gamble for RG3. Gamble for Luck. Gamble for
> > someone who is not such a roll of the dice.
> Don't
> > gamble for this guy. Taking him at 8 is a
> gamble
> > enough. Do you really think any other team is
> > going to trade up for him? Or that the Browns
> are
> > going to take him at #4? No they will not.
>
>
> That are ALL a gamble. If you believe in a guy go
> get him. If you sit on your ass and HOPE he falls
> to you you are either the smartest guy in the
> league or the dumbest.
>
> All it takes is one GM with bigger balls who sees
> what you see in a player and you get scooped.
> You can do that when you are hunting for a RB or
> LB. but if you get to cute when it comes to
> filling the single most important position in
> sports you get 18 journeymen qb's in 13 years and
> 1 playoff win.


Then why not trade up for every player you "believe" in. you obviously believe in the player you take. If you want him that bad then why not always move up to be sure you get him? The answer is value, and what else could be there at your spot, and how likely is that guy to fall to you? All of this factors way against moving up to #3 to take Tannehill. Yes a QB is different but not so different that common sense needs to take a back seat.

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berkeley223 Wrote:
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> again I am not buying the fact that we are going
> to trade up to #3. I think it is just a smoke
> screen to drum up interest in the vikings pick.
> trading up will cost either our 2d and two 3ds
> this year, or next year's number 1. Both options
> are completely horrible for a big time project QB
> who you are hoping based on essentially on
> physical ability alone will maybe be a franchise
> QB. The track record for QBs who have as few
> college starts as this guy is terrible. Sanchez,
> Kyle Boller, and some others they trot out every
> year as cautionary tales. Yes Cam Newton started
> only 1 year---but what a year! Tannehill's season
> does not compare nor does his physical ability.

All excellent points.

Of course there are plenty of guys with two years experience who have panned out.

The point here is that YOU don't believe in Tannehill. If you were calling the shots it would be crazy to trade up for a guy you don't believe in. You are dead on with that.

Trading up for a guy you don't believe in just to say we drafted a qb would be colossally stupid.

Almost as stupid as hoping he falls to your pick if you really believe he's the goods.

Plenty of people in he industry think he's the goods. Just as many think he's not.

The only thing that matters is what Ireland/Philbin/Sherman think.

Nobody on the planet is better suited to accurately project tannehills nfl career. If they believe in him, they should go get him.