The profootballfocus.com 2012 season grades for the unrestricted free agent WRs. 1) Wes Welker +14.1 2) Danny Amendola +13.0 3) Brandon Stokley +10.2 ***those top 3 are all slot guys who don't fit our needs*** 4) Dwayne Bowe +8.5 5) Domenik Hixon +8.2 6) Brian Hartline +7.1 7) Brandon Gibson +6.6 (he had a good game against Sean Smith, ha!) 8) Randy Moss +3.7 9) Greg Jennings +3.4 1
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captkoi Wrote: > > I don't know. Starks is a good player, one who I > would like to resign with Miami, however.... > > Soliai is the run stopper; he plugs the middle. > Starks is good, but I don't think has the size or > strength to replace Soliai, as far as a starter > goes, unless Soliai gets hurt. Soliai is not a typical 4-3 DT. He is much more of a 3-4
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Short routes like slants and crossing patterns are staples of the WCO. But, more than that, last year Philbin talked about the WRs needing to be interchangeable, that you need guys who can play X, Z, and slot. Hartline fit that mold perfectly. Jennings does, too. Does Wallace? I don't think so. To me, he is strictly an X. But, I'm no expert, so I could be totally wrong. Wallace is going to com
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While Jennings may be the best fit, I am concerned about him turning 30, and having missed 11 of his last 22 games with injuries. And a torn abdominal muscle that required surgery is a pretty significant injury. And how does he do in an offense when he doesn't have a supporting cast like he had in Green Bay? With Wallace, I worry that he is not a fit in this system. He was asked to run shorter
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eesti Wrote: > > Any way you slice it. The deal is 2 years 12 > million. How is that 25% less than Soliai? > Starks made over $5M last season. Soliai made $4M. Soliai comes out in passing situations, Soliai doesn't. Starks made the Pro Bowl this year, Soliai didn't. Starks should make more than Soliai. Soliai is making $8M this year. It's hard to ask Starks to settle for 25%
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It sounds good in practice, but the most talented guys get signed first. If you wait on signing a free agent WR, you will be stuck throwing money at Malcolm Floyd. If you want an impact, big name free agent, you have to be in the bidding right away. Say we want a WR and pass rusher in free agency. If we wait one of the big 3 WR and Michael Johnson, we are going to have to overpay. It's a given
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captkoi Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > eesti Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > We still need a vet and a rookie so hopefully > the > > rookie is ready to take over as the #1 after > > Jennings or Wallace' (or whoever) contract > > expires. > > *****************************
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Soliai made $4M last year, and is due $8M this year. He plays way fewer snaps than Starks. Do you think Starks is settling for 25% less than Soliai? A top WR is going to cost us at least $8M, if it's Jennings. Bowe is going to be $10M. Wallace is going to be $11M. Nate Garner made over $1M last year. Artis Hicks made over $2M. Ryan Cook made over $1M. When you start adding veterans to fill
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eesti Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Even if we sign Hartline, Starks, Fasano and our > new rookies we will still have around 29 mil to > spend. Our other lower tier FA's are not going to > eat up that much money...Garner, McDaniel etc > Out of the $48M, about $8M needs to be allocated for draft picks. Hartline is going to be in the $5-6M
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For the West Coast Offense and what Philbin/Sherman have mentioned: 1) Precise route running is imperative 2) Versatile enough to play any of the WR positions, WRs should be interchangeable 3) Must have very good hands 4) Intelligence, must be able to read coverages on the fly for sight adjustments/option routes So, when you read about guys who run poor routes or drop a lot of passes, mo
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According to Pro Football Focus, Sean Smith allowed 40 first down conversions and 6 TDs this season. The combined total of 46 was the most allowed by any corner in the league.
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ChyrenB Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Bottom line Dolphanmark is that even if I accepted > your premise that WR and DLs are positions that > NOT amenable to rookies having immediate impact, > which I don't, Over the last 4 years combined, a total of 3 rookie WRs have topped 900 yards receiving in their first season. And I never said anyth
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I would rather move John Jerry to RT to compete with Will Yeatman.
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Philbin's ideal is to build through the draft. So, we're not going to be filling a lot of positions in free agency. And while we do have $48M in cap space, a lot is going to be eaten up in just re-signing some of our own guys. I think there will be room to sign two big $ free agents. And I would bet on pass rusher and WR. Both of those positions are extremely difficult to fill with rookies, if yo
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808phan Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > This team is years behind of what it should be > thanks to the failed leadership that thought Jake > Long would be a better draft pick than Matt Ryan. Had the new CBA been in place, Ryan would have been the pick. But, under the old system, Long was the much safer selection. It was really difficult to commit
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There needs to be third choice, which would be "who cares about the pro bowl?"
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Jim B Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > For a Mid-round receiver...I expect them to > seriously look at the Texas Aggie Ryan Swopes. > He's probably not a #1 guy, but very similar to > Hartline, but with more experience with our QB. > > We have to draft a speed guy (force defense to > cover whole field) who can catch, play all the >
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dolphaholic Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Omar is tweeting that he's 100% certain the > dolphins will go after a big time FA WR, he's also > hinting its Jennings............hmmm, inside info > or a deliberate smoke screen? It's logic. If they want to give Tannehill more weapons in 2013, they need to get a free agent WR. Over the last 4 year
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eesti Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > The other knock on Bowe is that he is an > undisciplined/lazy route runner that often causes > the QB to be intercepted. I read where he did it > twice in one game this year. > > according to Pro Football Focus, he accounted for > three drops and three interceptions when the ball > is thrown t
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PFF WR Rankings by grade the last 3 years 2010 Mike Wallace #9 Greg Jennings #12 Dwayne Bowe #16 Brandon Marshall #29 2011 Dwayne Bowe #11 Mike Wallace #13 Greg Jennings #14 Brandon Marshall #48 2012 Brandon Marshall #9 Dwayne Bowe #26 Greg Jennings #50 Mike Wallace #91
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toko34 Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Bowe is similar to Brandon Marshall..but Bowe is > less talented, same head case issues, same drop > issues. How many times has Bowe been arrested in violent incidents? How many times did he intentionally drop or knock down passes in practice because he was unhappy with his contract? How many games did he sit
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eesti Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > > He is not exactly a TD scoring machine. He had > years of 5, 7, 4, 15, 5 & 3 TD's. Looks like 15 > was the anomaly. > Damon Huard. Brody Coyle. Tyler Thigpen. Matt Cassell. Tyler Palko. Brady Quinn. Let that sink in for a bit.
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eesti Wrote: > That's a contradiction. If we were not building to > be competitive in 2012 then why pay $380,000 for a > guy to play two remaining games unless he wanted > him for next season? A playoff run? Not likely as > that was a huge long shot by week 16 when he was > signed. He could have used a PS Cb for about 50k > and it's not like a waiver wire pickup is g
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eesti Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > He made more than that here. If that were the case > we will sign him. No way the top RB in FA has to > settle for 3 mil a year. > > Marshawn Lynch saw his value drop after off field > issues (arrests, suspensions, bouncing around the > league and injuries and still got 7.75 mil with a > 6mil
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The production doesn't seem special? Those two seasons of over 1150 yards would rank 6th and 7th best in Dolphins history. The year with 15 TDs would rank 2nd all time. It's not just one bad QB that Bowe has played with. Part of the point is that he has played with 6 bad QBs in 6 seasons. What would he do with one consistent, solid QB, who he can build a chemistry with? Like Wallace has been a
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eesti Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Playoff teams don't usually have 55 mil to spend > either. Bush would not be a "second" RB. Ellis > would. > > With the top tier RB's in the NFL only getting > paid around 8 mil a year in FA contracts, I > imagine Bush will be signing for a bit less. 6-7 > mil I would guess. 10 milli
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ChyrenB Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I have a lot of respect for you Mark but you are > oversimplifying Ginn's problem. Yes, he was > fragile as far as taking hits were concerned but > he also dropped passes. > > That was the part of him I was talking about. > > He used to take my breath away when he would > simply out ru
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tsstamper Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Bowe is not a special player. He has been KC's > only real receiving threat since they lost Gonzo > and they have had a truly incredible running game > for much of his time there. He had one incredible > year (TD wise) among some solid ones. But he's > not the fastest, smartest, most physically
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ChyrenB Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Sigh. So we go ahead like we have for the last > decade, looking to make ourselves fat off of > somebody else's garbage. > > If you are saying these receivers are not worth a > 1st round draft, then that's one thing. > > If you are saying that they are 1) our top need > and 2) justifia
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With Ellis making $3M per year, it would be surprising to see a team spend big money on a second RB. Veteran RBs don't usually do too well on the open market.
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