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Re: Channing Crowder Cut
Posted by: ghotirule ()
Date: August 01, 2011 07:34AM


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Re: Channing Crowder Cut
Posted by: eesti ()
Date: August 09, 2011 01:30PM

Channing Crowder announced that he will retire and pursue a career in the media industry.

Guess u don't have to retire your handle Crowder

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“I'm here" You're welcome!" - Kenny Powers

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Re: Channing Crowder Cut
Posted by: ChyrenB ()
Date: August 09, 2011 03:29PM

eesti Wrote:
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> Channing Crowder announced that he will retire and
> pursue a career in the media industry.
>
> Guess u don't have to retire your handle Crowder


Yeah, I'm still sad to see him go. I used to play fantasy football and the other guys ribbed me when I drafted Channing as a rookie. They said, "Hey, who's that guy you got? Clam Chowder?"

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Re: Channing Crowder Cut
Posted by: JC ()
Date: August 09, 2011 04:01PM

now he can keep that radio show. I think he'll do well. He always was entertaining to listen to, and he's much more likable than most of the idiots on sports talk radio.

Good luck with the new career Channing!

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Re: Channing Crowder Cut
Date: August 09, 2011 07:24PM

He never had any heart . That was his problem. This retirement after his first rejection proves it.

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Re: Channing Crowder Cut
Posted by: Aqua&Orange ()
Date: August 10, 2011 03:32AM

I think you have it backwards....

I think he had plenty of heart, he wore it on his sleeve with brash talk to Ryan and plenty others.

His problem was, he just wasnt that good. He was a below average NFL player.

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Re: Channing Crowder Cut
Posted by: montequi ()
Date: August 10, 2011 04:17AM

Aqua&Orange Wrote:
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> I think you have it backwards....
>
> I think he had plenty of heart, he wore it on his
> sleeve with brash talk to Ryan and plenty others.
>
> His problem was, he just wasnt that good. He was a
> below average NFL player.

Yes, Crowder had a big heart...and an even bigger mouth. I wouldn't say he was below average. At WILB I think he was above average, but not Pro-Bowl material. As a SILB he WAS below average. I really think he fit better as an WOLB in a 4-3, though.

Crowder's main issue was injuries. A LB that can't stay on the field consistently can actually hurt your team more than he helps. You need continuity with your ILBs. In a 4-3, the MLB is the QB of your defense. In a 3-4, the 2 ILBs need to be familiar and comfortable with each other. Disrupt the continuity and you risk throwing off the entire defense.

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Re: Channing Crowder Cut
Posted by: mizzou15 ()
Date: August 10, 2011 04:32AM

Crowder and Carey were two of the most solid and steady players on the roster. Both were solid but not exceptional I really hope Crowder's replacement is as steady if not we will miss crowder. The same goes for Colombo at RT.

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Re: Channing Crowder Cut
Posted by: Crowder52 ()
Date: August 10, 2011 06:30AM

At the end of the day Crowder is smart and his choice and loyalty was the right move. He didn't want to be a journeyman, being a man with no home is not a good position. His dad was a dolphin and so is he... If he left for New England, buffalo or Philly , his career after football would be much tougher... now he already has a job amd what's left of his health.. A new wife and child on the way...
But at the end of the day the real reason I'd he heard I was changing my screen name if signed with someone else and that was just to much for him to bear, so I agreed to keep his name and he agreed to only play as a dolphin or retire!

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Re: Channing Crowder Cut
Posted by: eesti ()
Date: August 10, 2011 06:40AM

Crowder was above average and was fighting knee injuries since college. He was a plugger and did well in that role. Its also why he wore down so quick.

He was among league leaders in tackles year after year.

One thing is evident. When you have to fight a particular injury it usually leads to other injuries that snowball bc of overcompensating etc...

I have nothing bad to say about him. He did his job and fended off everyone they brought in to replace him. He was not a play maker but that doesn't make him below average.

Good luck to him.

Fortunately we now have improved with his replacement IMHO.

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“I'm here" You're welcome!" - Kenny Powers

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Re: Channing Crowder Cut
Posted by: Aqua&Orange ()
Date: August 11, 2011 02:40AM

Mizzou,

Crowder was not "solid". Not in my book, anyways. The guy was below average and has been the weak spot of our defense for years now.

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Re: Channing Crowder Cut
Posted by: Crowder52 ()
Date: August 11, 2011 02:52AM

Aqua&Orange Wrote:
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> Mizzou,
>
> Crowder was not "solid". Not in my book, anyways.
> The guy was below average and has been the weak
> spot of our defense for years now.


You are crazy A&O... You sure have selective memory... Crowder owned the run when he played with the dolphins... The man had 100 tackles in a single season.. I think you need to go back and watch some tape to get your facts straight about the man.. Cause you are having serious dillusional recollection syndrome...lol

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Re: Channing Crowder Cut
Posted by: Aqua&Orange ()
Date: August 11, 2011 03:05AM

He never had more than 100 tackles. His most was in '08 with 92.

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Re: Channing Crowder Cut
Posted by: Aqua&Orange ()
Date: August 11, 2011 03:06AM

He had 92 tackles in '08 and all other years never had more than 61.

Thats absolutely effin pathetic for a LB.

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Re: Channing Crowder Cut
Posted by: JC ()
Date: August 11, 2011 03:38AM

Aqua&Orange Wrote:
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> He had 92 tackles in '08 and all other years never
> had more than 61.
>
> Thats absolutely effin pathetic for a LB.


He had 92 *solo* tackles in 2008. If you include assists as half-tackles (which stats-enthusiasts are known to do), then he had 113 that year, and 103 in 2006. In 2009 and 2010 his production dropped significantly.

In his prime he was slightly better than average. But the past two years he just hasn't cut the mustard.

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Re: Channing Crowder Cut
Posted by: Aqua&Orange ()
Date: August 11, 2011 04:03AM

He only played like 5 or 6 seasons....WTF are you talking about "prime" for???


Come on, bro.

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Re: Channing Crowder Cut
Date: August 11, 2011 05:13AM

Aqua&Orange Wrote:
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> I think you have it backwards....
>
> I think he had plenty of heart, he wore it on his
> sleeve with brash talk to Ryan and plenty others.
>
> His problem was, he just wasnt that good. He was a
> below average NFL player.


Retirement at 27? No major injuries to speak of? Think he would have quit if the Dolphins kept him? Sorry, Zack Thomas was not Physically the right size for the Job. he was very undersized. But the man had HEART. Channing always lacked it IMO. Hope he invested well or he will be just another broke statisic in 10 yrs at the ripe old age of 37.

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Re: Channing Crowder Cut
Posted by: JC ()
Date: August 11, 2011 05:36AM

Aqua&Orange Wrote:
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> He only played like 5 or 6 seasons....WTF are you
> talking about "prime" for???
>
>
> Come on, bro.


in HIS prime, meaning during HIS best seasons. Bro. Man, I didn't know you were so hung up on semantics.

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Re: Channing Crowder Cut
Posted by: Aqua&Orange ()
Date: August 11, 2011 06:05AM


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Re: Channing Crowder Cut
Posted by: mizzou15 ()
Date: August 11, 2011 06:12AM

His stats are not bad for a 3-4 lb and the year he had 61 tackles he played 11 games and had 78 total tackles. Plus they pulled him out in passing situations a lot.

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Re: Channing Crowder Cut
Posted by: Phinsfan2 ()
Date: August 11, 2011 06:18AM


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Re: Channing Crowder Cut
Posted by: JC ()
Date: August 11, 2011 08:45AM

Phinsfan2 Wrote:
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> I'll remember Crowder52 FAR longer than I will remember
> Channing Crowder.

And *I'll* agree with *that*

Won't we all!
smileys with beer

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Re: Channing Crowder Cut
Posted by: Crowder52 ()
Date: August 11, 2011 08:46AM

Crowder had more then 100 tackles twice in his career.
If Crowder was as below avg as you try and say, he surely would not have survived from Saban, To Cam, To Parcells... WHile so many others were sent packing... The below avg guys are the ones that didnt make the cut... YB, Ronnie, Ricky, Crowder, made those cuts, they did it becasue they were good football players, and beat out the avg guy... Now it is just YB..... I am sure you think YB is just avg as well.... Quit hating, this site should be called phinshaters.com, not phins.com, sometimes you guys are just ridiculous....

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Re: Channing Crowder Cut
Posted by: JC ()
Date: August 11, 2011 08:51AM

Crowder52 Wrote:
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> Quit hating, this site should
> be called phinshaters.com, not phins.com,
> sometimes you guys are just ridiculous....

I can tell you one thing, speaking of below-average type of stuff.

This site is, relatively speaking, VERY LOW on the 'hate' scale, if my occasional visits to other message boards are any indication.

There will always be some disagreement that leads to interpretation (justified or not) as hatred. But we are very lucky have a good group of contributors here who can get along well (as well as can be expected on a sports message board).

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Re: Channing Crowder Cut
Posted by: Crowder52 ()
Date: August 11, 2011 08:53AM

As for reference guys- Neither, Karlos Dansby nor Kevin Burnett has ever had 100 solo tackles in a year during their entire carreer. SO I guess they are all below avg A&O?

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Re: Channing Crowder Cut
Posted by: ChyrenB ()
Date: August 11, 2011 09:09AM

Also what another team does is to strategize AWAY from a good player.

Unlike in the case of offensive backfield where if the player is not getting enough touchs and that might be an indication of lack of confidence in him, a defensive player's opportunity to be involved in plays is often dictated by the opposing team.

Translation: a lack of tackles might also indicate a lack of plays run at him which in turn is a testament to a belief in how good, not bad, a player he is.

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Re: Channing Crowder Cut
Posted by: Phinsfan2 ()
Date: August 11, 2011 09:13AM


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Re: Channing Crowder Cut
Posted by: Phinsfan2 ()
Date: August 11, 2011 09:21AM


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Re: Channing Crowder Cut
Posted by: ChyrenB ()
Date: August 11, 2011 09:28AM

And what about his injuries PF2? Does that figure into the end of his career? And are you saying that EVERY running play must involve the middle linebacker?

I'm not saying he should go into the Hall of Fame but I don't think he sucked either. And that's what you're saying. No, he wasn't a Zach Thomas. How many NFL players were or are?

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Re: Channing Crowder Cut
Posted by: Phinsfan2 ()
Date: August 11, 2011 09:38AM


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