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ChyrenB Wrote:
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> Ken, if Rosen, Mayfield, Rudolph, Darnold, and
> Allen end up being, in no particular order,
> Namath, Tarkenton, Unitas, Favre and Elway, and we
> don't draft one at no. 11, will you be honest
> enough to admit right here and now that in that
> weird eventually, you would AT LEAST have been
> wrong?????
>
RE: Absolutely...after all, I'm wrong all of the time. I just think we get much more value and overall quality by taking Smith or Edwards AND then Luke Falk who can learn and improve his game for two years.
> Yeah the odds of that happening are one in a
> billion. However, the odds that NONE of the five
> are going to be successful are probably ONE IN
> 100. That means that if we pick one of the five,
> the odds are better than 50-50 that this QB will
> be very good.
>
> This, again, argues that the best move for us at
> 11 is to pick one of the 5.
>
> Now the rules of this message board states that we
> are not to reveal communications on this board
> which we have in private messages.
>
> However, as an attorney, I interpret that this
> rule is only correctly read to say that you CANNOT
> a) reveal that you have received or sent a PM TO A
> PARTICULAR POSTER along with the content of that
> post.
>
> At best, however, I read the rule to prohibit
> revealing that you have received a pm from A
> PARTICULAR POSTER EVEN IF YOU DO NOT REVEAL THE
> CONTENT.
>
> However, I do not read the rule to PROHIBIT
> REVEALING THE CONTENT OF A PM YOU HAVE RECEIVED
> WHEN.........YOU IN SO DOING YOU DO NOT reveal
> FROM WHOM the pm was received.
>
> That being said, I received the below text in a pm
> from another poster and I think it hits the
> point.
>
> QUOTE: "I truly wish tranny the best hell he is
> our qb, but he just doesnt have it. Replace one
> position and we instantly get better,not great but
> atleast be competitive and with a hope to win.
> With tanny you have to rely on everyone else being
> good and well." UNQUOTE
RE: Exactly what I want...everyone to be better, including RT, or whoever is wearing our jersey. RT is trending the right way based soley on his play, JMO.
You two are comical. Your looking for some kid to come in grab these guys by the facemasks and magically make them great........its a pipe dream . Your like some spoiled brat on Christmas morning praying for some uber expensive gift. But your parents hopefully are smarter then you and your getting a chemistry set to help you later in life instead of something expensive and wasteful. DEALIO....
BTW, Joe Namath was the worst HOF QB ever. His stats sucked, win percentage, TD/INT ratio everything. Had a great year and made a prediction (and played for Alabama). Just in case anyone wanted to know.
We are in a no win situation, no matter who we draft. Someone will not like the pick. Hope we draft well, fingers crossed!
samsam3738 Wrote:
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> Grimey13 Wrote:
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> > An engine won't move a car with no tires...
>
>
> And the tires wont run without an engine...
>
>
> The engine is the most important part in a car.
>
>
> Just like the qb is the most important part in a
> football team....
You can still push a car with tires. No tires no rolling.
Although I do agree with you about the QB being the most important piece. I still think we have a QB who can succeed with the right group surrounding him.
There are very few QB's in this league that can actually carry a team.
ChyrenB Wrote:
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> TreasurecoastPhinsfan Wrote:
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> > You two are comical. Your looking for some kid
> to
> > come in grab these guys by the facemasks and
> > magically make them great........its a pipe
> dream
> > . Your like some spoiled brat on Christmas
> morning
> > praying for some uber expensive gift. But your
> > parents hopefully are smarter then you and your
> > getting a chemistry set to help you later in
> life
> > instead of something expensive and wasteful.
> > DEALIO....
>
>
> You know why I like you, Treasure? You're the
> only one I have known who can attack me and have
> me rolling on the floor with laughter each time
> you do it.
>
> ....errr but just paternal liking...not the kind
> you have for Tannehill. Couldn't resist leaving
> without a shot. LOL
Seriously......im glad you know behind this all I mean no offense. Really am Mali g each and every post with a smile.
ChyrenB Wrote:
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> Quote: "Pick a QB later".............after those
> five have gone.
>
> Whew! Duh....if we're gonna do that then.... for
> what we will get, it makes more sense to see
> what's available in free agency then to pick a
> fourth round QB even if you can get him in the
> third round (which will happen directly due to the
> fact that the top five will be gone in the 1st and
> 2nd rounds).
If one of the top 4/5 QBs drops to Miami, I could understand Miami drafting him. Miami cannot trade up to get a QB (or a player in any other needed position). Miami doesn't have the ammo to trade up.
I am hoping that when Miami comes up, that there will be a particular player that a few teams truly want and would be willing to make a trade. If that is the case, AND Miami doesn't trade back too far, then I am all for it.
Too many holes to fill. Trading back (a few spots) will help as there will be, more than likely, a couple/few extra picks for Miami.
Now, as long as the brass doesn't screw up on the picks, Miami will be able to improve.
But after ten years and that Buffalo QB turns out to beat us like a drum ..... what would all those later round picks mean???? Oh, I know what you are going to say......you are going to say it will surround Tanny with a Greise like team.
The contradiction in your position, however, is that you, like the rest of us, know that out front office is staffed with idiots. So they would screw up those lower picks, even if they tried to draft at the positions that you are advocating.
Too much work to do, too many holes to fill to take a QB in round 1. Doesn't matter wo we draft, he has to be protected. doesn't matter who we draft, our defense was bottom 10 in pass rush, and INT's (related stats) and bottom 1/2 in every other meaningful stat. The QB is the most important position on the field, but even the 2nd coming of Marino couldn't carry a team that cannot defend, or get out of their own way on rushing downs. Great QB class this year, but there will be others, and until we can build a solid team around O-Line / D-Line ... picking a QB first is a waste of our top pick (in my opinion)
ChyrenB Wrote:
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> Name me one great team in the recent past that
> didn't have a great QB.
>
> Not Brady's New England. Not Bradshaw's
> Pittsburgh. Not Cincinnati Bengals, Kenny
> Anderson or Boomer Esiason, not Dallas' Staubach,
> Aikman or Romo.
>
> Please....I beg you...name one team that was
> carried without such a great or good
> quarterback???????????????????????
>
Dilfer (Baltimore), Kap (49er's), Flacco (Balt again) and yes Flacco is garbage, Grossman (Bears) and I would even say Foles last year since he was the winner not necessarily the reason they got to the playoffs.
That is just going back to '06.
The majority of the others teams had Brady, Rodgers, Brees, Roethlisberger, Ryan, Newton and Wilson. Even with Wilson and Newton they both had amazing "D" behind them.
You said name a great team and I thought Super Bowl winning teams were pretty great.
But not all those guys won Super Bowls either just took their teams to the Super Bowl.
There are plenty more teams that had serviceable (I would not call them great) QB's that were able to carry them to the playoffs and beyond.
I just don't see anyone in the top 5 falling to us. If they did I would not be totally upset or pissed. I would prefer a beast LB over anything of course. I think our 2 weakest positions are LB and TE and of course the revolving door that is the O-Line but that is better with the Free Agency adds and loses I think.
And that was only going back to 06. So 12 years...Shouldn't be able to list 20, 30 or 40 teams.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 04/24/2018 10:31AM by Grimey13.
ChyrenB Wrote:
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> But there have been 50 odd SuperBowls. How many
> of those teams did you mention????
>
> I don't remember hearing 40 or 30 or 20 even.
You said recent past. I did that off the top of my head. I am not going out and researching this. I had a free 10 minutes and thought I should chime in on it.
Plus unlike you I wasn't born before the Super Bowl was the Super Bowl. I am a young buck so I can't answer for those old legends that you grew up watching.
Cincy, it is hard to pick a QB because there is no guarantee he will be a success. But that goes double for running back and that goes triple for receivers and that goes quadruple for secondary players and kickers. And....that goes quintupple for linemen and multiply that when you are following Treasure's suggestion and picking those linemen in later rounds.