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9-7 we'll be lucky some of you guys are not tired of the mediocrity.
I'm hoping that Im wrong on this one but w/ this regime and Campbell is a product of it too many times I have been right.Wishing a guy well and listening to his tough talk and having him go up against pro's like Belichik&McDaniels, Ryan, Bowles and others are two different things.
This season depends on guys like Miller, Suh, Landry etc stepping up and leading. The story of Tanne ripping the practice team guys for doing their jobs is another wet blanket. Getting pi**ed because they were picking off his bad passes uhh.
Well well...so Ross grew some balls. Outstanding. Can't be a bad thing having an interim HC that looks like a UFC fighter. I'm hoping he tells Coyle & Lazor to get their shit together. And Tanny too for that matter.
How about Suh? Who let him hold that press conference in London? Jesus the guy is just a defensive lineman. Do your job and keep your mouth shut instead of embarrassing the entire organization. What a Neanderthal......no wonder the brit was making stupid faces....
I hope Campbell gets the whole organization under control, if I was Ross I would have given him a blank check to jerk a knot in their asse$.
TreasurecoastPhinsfan Wrote:
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> It depends Crowder. I think on who is available
> next season. If Campbell does decent and a better
> option isn't available , he stays.
Yes possibly, if maybe Jon Gruden wants to come coach the team... But we havent had a winning season in 7-8 years. If by a miracle Dan Cambell is able to pull it off after being handed the position in a 1-3 hole, I doubt they fire him. If you listen to Ross's conference call yesterday, he said Dan Cambell would certainly be a candidate for the full time position...
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All things are subject to interpretation whichever interpretation prevails at a given time is a function of power and not truth.
Nietzsche
If Lazor and Coyle keep on doing what they're doing, don't care how many hard practices, butt slaps and fist pumps we get out of Campbell, it'll be MORE OF THE SAME...
Yeah, I'm glad we got a football person as coach instead of a mid-level office manager. I didn't think Philbin was "the man" after reports surfaced that he was plastering motivational posters all over the locker room. Shades of Wanny and his lobster trap.
How he handles the coordinators is the immediate question.
Does he indeed, have a hand on the pulse of this team? When you have stories of players ignoring coaches as with the practice session about Tannehill, Suh wearing sneakers to practice....
How can you not fire Coyle?
Players will not get behind Campbell if he doesn't. Does he know enough about defensive techniques to change anything, know what to change or will he need to bring in a DC? Would anyone (proven) take the job under a TE coach? Schwartz? Not likely.
Our entire staff is suspect. All these guys from Philbin's "tree"....unproven, from small schools like New haven, Allegheny, Harvard, etc. I see no one I would trust as OC or DC.
Outside of Mark Duffner and John Benton, the resume of this staff is pathetic and none are fit to be much more than what they are....if even that.
Will Lazor work well under his former employee? Was Lazor the problem or was it Philbin's influence? if it was Philbin then maybe it will work. We have to find balance and run the ball. Stop the dumb play calling with end arounds on critical 3rd downs, eliminate 90% of the WR screens, maximize the talents and let the players do what they do WELL. Enough of this interchangeable, one size fits all CRAP.
Players will not get behind Campbell if he doesn't. ""
One thing Campbell has to do is show the players that HE is running this show. Campbell has to let Coyle know that HE is running this show and when Campbell says change your defense Coyle says "how much".
If Campbell says Coyle stays then he stays.
Dangerous thing to allow the players to think they are running this team.
The front office is running this entire show and Campbell is running the coaches and players.
Crowder52 Wrote:
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> I am not sure Cambell needs to make the play offs,
> but if he takes over a 1-3 team and we go 9-7 or
> better I think there is a good chance he gets
> another year.. At this point that is a serious
> long shot to do that type of turn around. But to
> have the first winning season since 2008, after
> being handed the team in a 1-3 whole, would carry
> a lot of weight IMO.. Head coaches with winning
> records rarely get fired...
Miami has enough talent to where Campbell can turn it around, but...
Highly doubtful Miami will end up with a winning record; after the next two games it will be hell. Miami CAN win some of those games, however.
Now, I don't think it would take a winning season for Ross to seriously consider Campbell the next HC. If Campbell can get these guys to start playing hard and being in games, I think that would help Campbell's cause.
But, to be honest, after the Philbin fiasco, Ross will, once again, be looking for that "name" coach. It will be up to Tannebaum, et al, to present Ross with the best candidate(s).
mizzou15 Wrote:
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> 9-7 we'll be lucky some of you guys are not tired
> of the mediocrity.
> I'm hoping that Im wrong on this one but w/ this
> regime and Campbell is a product of it too many
> times I have been right.Wishing a guy well and
> listening to his tough talk and having him go up
> against pro's like Belichik&McDaniels, Ryan,
> Bowles and others are two different things.
>
> This season depends on guys like Miller, Suh,
> Landry etc stepping up and leading. The story of
> Tanne ripping the practice team guys for doing
> their jobs is another wet blanket. Getting pi**ed
> because they were picking off his bad passes uhh.
Not sure, Mizzou, how much of that stuff we can believe. Things probably did happen out on the practice field, but exactly what we will never know. I mentioned in an earlier post I would like to see RT get fired up once in a while. Maybe that's what he did; I don't know. As long as it doesn't linger, there is no problem.
808phan Wrote:
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> Well well...so Ross grew some balls. Outstanding.
> Can't be a bad thing having an interim HC that
> looks like a UFC fighter. I'm hoping he tells
> Coyle & Lazor to get their shit together. And
> Tanny too for that matter.
JoeFootball Wrote:
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> How he handles the coordinators is the immediate
> question.
>
> Does he indeed, have a hand on the pulse of this
> team? When you have stories of players ignoring
> coaches as with the practice session about
> Tannehill, Suh wearing sneakers to practice....
>
> How can you not fire Coyle?
>
> Players will not get behind Campbell if he
> doesn't. Does he know enough about defensive
> techniques to change anything, know what to change
> or will he need to bring in a DC? Would anyone
> (proven) take the job under a TE coach? Schwartz?
> Not likely.
>
> Our entire staff is suspect. All these guys from
> Philbin's "tree"....unproven, from small schools
> like New haven, Allegheny, Harvard, etc. I see no
> one I would trust as OC or DC.
>
> Outside of Mark Duffner and John Benton, the
> resume of this staff is pathetic and none are fit
> to be much more than what they are....if even
> that.
>
> Will Lazor work well under his former employee?
> Was Lazor the problem or was it Philbin's
> influence? if it was Philbin then maybe it will
> work. We have to find balance and run the ball.
> Stop the dumb play calling with end arounds on
> critical 3rd downs, eliminate 90% of the WR
> screens, maximize the talents and let the players
> do what they do WELL. Enough of this
> interchangeable, one size fits all CRAP.
I was reading Campbell's answer to keeping (or not) the coordinators: He was just notified a few hours before the announcement that he was being promoted to Interim HC, so he hasn't had time to wrap his head around any decisions like that. Another article predicted that something would be done today (Tuesday) regarding Coyle and possibly Lazor.
Its a puzzle as to where the problem(s) were...Lazor's poor play calling? Philbin keeping him under wraps? Combination of both? Or maybe even a lack of talent on the field or distrust in that (very) OFFENSIVE line.
I'm questioning what happened to the fast tempo that Philbin said he was bringing to Miami? If you guys recall, in his early practices (his rookie year) he had two teams on both sides of the field going one right after the other, fast, fast, fast. Never saw it during any games.
JoeFootball Wrote:
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> How he handles the coordinators is the immediate
> question.
>
> Does he indeed, have a hand on the pulse of this
> team? When you have stories of players ignoring
> coaches as with the practice session about
> Tannehill, Suh wearing sneakers to practice....
True, if their is even a grain of truth to some of these stories this organization has a culture problem from the players all the way to the top. Players don't respect authority, coaches allow them not to and the owner puts up with it...Not sure there is any helping us if that is the case.
>
> How can you not fire Coyle?
That Coyle is still employed doesn't bode well IMO. Coyle and most likely Lazor are ABSOLUTELY the problem scheme wise. The report on Coyle being forced to let the players have a gripe session with him proves it. Why would Philbin force that if HE were the one calling the shots on D?? If Campbell doesn't see that...good grief. Surely their is an assistant D coach that Campbell can name coordinator and work with. Unless he's not being allowed that level of authority(which bodes even worse).
>
> Players will not get behind Campbell if he
> doesn't. Does he know enough about defensive
> techniques to change anything, know what to change
> or will he need to bring in a DC? Would anyone
> (proven) take the job under a TE coach? Schwartz?
> Not likely.
>
> Our entire staff is suspect. All these guys from
> Philbin's "tree"....unproven, from small schools
> like New haven, Allegheny, Harvard, etc. I see no
> one I would trust as OC or DC.
>
> Outside of Mark Duffner and John Benton, the
> resume of this staff is pathetic and none are fit
> to be much more than what they are....if even
> that.
>
> Will Lazor work well under his former employee?
> Was Lazor the problem or was it Philbin's
> influence? if it was Philbin then maybe it will
> work. We have to find balance and run the ball.
> Stop the dumb play calling with end arounds on
> critical 3rd downs, eliminate 90% of the WR
> screens, maximize the talents and let the players
> do what they do WELL. Enough of this
> interchangeable, one size fits all CRAP.
My biggest fear is Campbell has been named coach by Ross simply to try and quell a player rebellion. He keeps Lazor and/or Coyle either out of necessity or being forced to, starts trying to change their schemes and they think they are above his tutelage or that THEY should have been interim...we think the team is a circus now...that would send the season and possibly the organization into a death spiral.
captkoi Wrote:
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> mizzou15 Wrote:
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> -----
> > 9-7 we'll be lucky some of you guys are not
> tired
> > of the mediocrity.
> > I'm hoping that Im wrong on this one but w/
> this
> > regime and Campbell is a product of it too many
> > times I have been right.Wishing a guy well and
> > listening to his tough talk and having him go
> up
> > against pro's like Belichik&McDaniels, Ryan,
> > Bowles and others are two different things.
> >
> > This season depends on guys like Miller, Suh,
> > Landry etc stepping up and leading. The story
> of
> > Tanne ripping the practice team guys for doing
> > their jobs is another wet blanket. Getting
> pi**ed
> > because they were picking off his bad passes
> uhh.
>
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> ***
>
> Not sure, Mizzou, how much of that stuff we can
> believe. Things probably did happen out on the
> practice field, but exactly what we will never
> know. I mentioned in an earlier post I would like
> to see RT get fired up once in a while. Maybe
> that's what he did; I don't know. As long as it
> doesn't linger, there is no problem.
>
> Besides, Campbell will not allow that to fester.
RT ripping guys for doing their jobs?
This wasn't a full speed practice or even half speed. It was a Saturday WALK THRU where the SCOUT team was supposed to emulate the opposing defense. They WALK thru so offensive guys can understand where the defense will line up, shift, cover, etc.
This is not where the defensive players were supposed to be trying to go full speed or try to make a name for themselves.
The real story here is how the LOW LEVEL defensive players went rogue and disregarded the DC and HC. This shows where Philbin (and Coyle) lost the team.
The whole "coaches told the players to take it easy on Tannehill" statement is a BS paraphrase by someone who also added their own "facts" to the story about "Paychecks".
Coaches more likely told them....LOOK this is a walk thru. Stop disrupting our offensive game planning just so you can show off. Knowing Philbin he said it in NICER terms so as not to make a PS player mad at him.
Just another case of sensationalizing "journalism" to make national headlines.
Well, it looks like Lazor just got stripped of some power. Dolphins hired Al Saunders as a "offensive consultant". More like someone to tell Lazor how to call plays, which plays to eliminate, run the ball, etc.
I would not be surprised to see a similar hire for defense.
JoeFootball Wrote:
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> There's a new sheriff in town. Dolphin open
> practice by doing one on one, Oklahoma
> drill....rest of team watching.
>
> Campbell got action he wants. DE Olivier Vernon
> went 3x in 1-on-1 drill. Faced Pouncey once.
> Didn't wanna be replaced.
>
> Koa Misi just destroyed Jordan Cameron. Not
> pretty!
Awesome!!!!
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All things are subject to interpretation whichever interpretation prevails at a given time is a function of power and not truth.
Nietzsche
JoeFootball Wrote:
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> There's a new sheriff in town. Dolphin open
> practice by doing one on one, Oklahoma
> drill....rest of team watching.
>
> Campbell got action he wants. DE Olivier Vernon
> went 3x in 1-on-1 drill. Faced Pouncey once.
> Didn't wanna be replaced.
>
> Koa Misi just destroyed Jordan Cameron. Not
> pretty!