why should we get rid of the few good players we have. Starks makes an impact on the Dline.

We have salary cap space.

I say get rid of the scrubs as opposed to starks.


Weve been getting rid of the our few good players for a while now and look where we are.

let them walk. for the kind of money we spent we need difference makers. dts that blow up plays not just clogging the middle.

Starks played better than Solai last year, but Solai had that knee injury for what seemed like the whole season

Odrick = starks.

Can't keep soliai and starks.

Re-sign soliai and let starks walk.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/12/2014 07:02AM by THE Truth.

YUp and starks isnt injury prone.The more depth the better. I dont see odrick making any game changing plays.

Stark i've seen numerous times.

And i would understand if we were not under the salary cap but we are well within.

I agree . Odrick was a waste of a first rounder IMO. Let him go before Starks. A great Defense needs players like him and as weve seen this past Superbowl Great defenses win championships.

GO DOLPHINS!!!!

T solo assist sacks fumble

Paul Soliai 34 19 15 1.0 1
Randy Starks 49 36 13 4.0 1

Solai played like crap last year. He was the main reason or run D faltered down the stretch

samsam3738 Wrote:
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> why should we get rid of the few good players we
> have. Starks makes an impact on the Dline.
>
> We have salary cap space.
>
> I say get rid of the scrubs as opposed to starks.
>
>
> Weve been getting rid of the our few good players
> for a while now and look where we are.

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The problem, Samsam, is that we have quite a few front-line FAs, and they will want to get paid. True, we have cap space, but if Miami signs all of their FAs, then there will be no money left over.

Got to let some of them walk; sign the guys that would be hard to replace, i.e., Grimes.

THE Truth Wrote:
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> Odrick = starks.
>
> Can't keep soliai and starks.
>
> Re-sign soliai and let starks walk.

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My crystal ball tells me that Starks is going to overprice himself, which will mean he walks.

samsam3738 Wrote:
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> YUp and starks isnt injury prone.The more depth
> the better. I dont see odrick making any game
> changing plays.
>
> Stark i've seen numerous times.


You must have been in the shitter a lot my friend.

Starks 2013 stats: 49 tackles, 4 sacks, 1 FF

Odrick 2013 stats: 43 tackles, 4.5 sacks, 1 FF


Odrick = Starks. We don't need an aging DT who is no better than another guy already on our roster and who wants to GET PAID.

That money is better spent rebuilding the o-line or re-signing Grimes.

ChambersDeepBall Wrote:
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> T solo assist sacks fumble
>
> Paul Soliai 34 19 15 1.0 1
> Randy Starks 49 36 13 4.0 1


Which one draws two olineman most of the time?

ChambersDeepBall Wrote:
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> Solai played like crap last year. He was the main
> reason or run D faltered down the stretch


With all due respect, LB play was the main reason our run D faltered, not Solia... The LB didn't fill the gaps, get off blocks and attack the ball carry at the line of scrimmage... They weren't in very good position when we got exploited...

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Said it before at this time of year and I'll keep on saying it: Rule #1 of free agency is to retain your own good players, regardless of position.

Dolphins need to re-sign Starks AND Soliai. No brainer IMO.

cshashaty Wrote:
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>
> Dolphins need to re-sign Starks AND Soliai. No
> brainer IMO.


At what price?

THE Truth Wrote:
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> cshashaty Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
>
> >
> > Dolphins need to re-sign Starks AND Soliai. No
> > brainer IMO.
>
>
> At what price?


At the price of losing grimes and adding other quality FAs. No thanks. Keep grimes and solia and add some ol. Starks and solia both are not critical for the $$

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The beatings will continue until morale improves.

truth this year starks had a down year and still played as good as odrick.

Every other year starks outplayed odrick.


Sorry i disagree completely.

PS. Odrick couldnt hold starks jockstrap.

cshashaty Wrote:
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> Said it before at this time of year and I'll keep
> on saying it: Rule #1 of free agency is to retain
> your own good players, regardless of position.
>
> Dolphins need to re-sign Starks AND Soliai. No
> brainer IMO.


Agreed. No need of letting go of the good players we have and getting someone new.

We need to keep good players and add to that.

If you add a player and let go of a good player you aint doing a thing.

Thats why we are in the mess we are in right now.

samsam3738 Wrote:
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> truth this year starks had a down year and still
> played as good as odrick.
>
> Every other year starks outplayed odrick.
>
>
> Sorry i disagree completely.
>
> PS. Odrick couldnt hold starks jockstrap.


Most important stat:

Odrick is 26

Starks is 30

"down" years are going to be the norm, not the exception, for Starks from here on out.

Over paying for older players is a sure fire recipe for destroying your cap.

Starks made 8.5 mill last year. He wants more than that, long term.

No thanks. I'd rather go with the cheaper option in Odrick who is a very similar player.

samsam3738 Wrote:
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> cshashaty Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Said it before at this time of year and I'll
> keep
> > on saying it: Rule #1 of free agency is to
> retain
> > your own good players, regardless of position.
> >
> > Dolphins need to re-sign Starks AND Soliai. No
> > brainer IMO.
>
>
> Agreed. No need of letting go of the good players
> we have and getting someone new.
>
> We need to keep good players and add to that.
>
> If you add a player and let go of a good player
> you aint doing a thing.
>
> Thats why we are in the mess we are in right now.

Its not that simple Sam.

You have to manage your cap.

Starks wants a raise form his $8.5m last year. He's in a 3 man rotation at DT and isn't even a full time player anymore.

Its absurd to tie that much money up in a guy who plays half the snaps...at most.

You have Wake (7.25), Jones (3.5), Wheeler (6.5) , Ellerbe (7.5), Jordan (4.75), Patterson (5.4) already accounting for 35m in cap space this year.

If you sign back our better FA's on defense at what they want you add:

Grimes (10m), Soliai (6m), Starks (9M), You'd have 70M tied up in 9 defense players.

That leaves you $50 mill for your offense.

Good luck rebuilding that O-line won a shoe string budget.


Or look at it this way...ball park we have around $30m in cap space for next year.

$6M for draft picks
$10m for Grimes
$6M for Soliai
$8m for Starks

There's your $30M.

How are you going to bring in 4 starting Olineman to play with pouncey and keep Tannehill from getting killed with Zero cap space? And please don't tell me you plan would be to draft 6 offense lineman and HOPE 4 of them pan out. Hope is not a strategy.

Who said Soliai wanted only 6 mil? Soliai play was really off last year and he did not do a good job of keeping guards of our lbs. People continue to point out the play of lbs but our DTs did not do a good job of doing this. Soliai had a really bad year.

mizzou15 Wrote:
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> Who said Soliai wanted only 6 mil? Soliai play was
> really off last year and he did not do a good job
> of keeping guards of our lbs. People continue to
> point out the play of lbs but our DTs did not do a
> good job of doing this. Soliai had a really bad
> year.


Nobody. It was an estimate.

That's what he made the last two years. He didn't outplay that contract so its a reasonable jump off point for negotiations/estimates.

If he hits the open market he could get more.

If we wrap him up early we might get him with a home town discount. He took less last time to stay in Miami.

Either way, the point is that you can't put the bulk of the cap space into defenders who aren't elite and get by on a shoe string budget trying to fix the offense.


That means making choices.

Do you want NFL ready OG's? Ok...say goodbye to Starks and his $8+M.

Do you want an elite LT? So long Mr. Grimes.

We can't have it all, unless our current FA's take massive pay cuts from what they made last year. Somehow I doubt that's going to happen.

samsam3738 Wrote:
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> truth this year starks had a down year and still
> played as good as odrick.
>
> Every other year starks outplayed odrick.
>
>
> Sorry i disagree completely.
>
> PS. Odrick couldnt hold starks jockstrap.

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Guys, with everything that went on with Starks and Dolphin management, you don't think he is going to over value himself just so he can get out of Miami?

Starks knows damn well that Odrick played well and is cheaper than he will be (once the negotiations begin). Think Starks cares?

Right now, Starks just wants the money; he doesn't care what team he ends up with.

Starks WILL NOT resign with Miami.

THE Truth Wrote:
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> samsam3738 Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > truth this year starks had a down year and
> still
> > played as good as odrick.
> >
> > Every other year starks outplayed odrick.
> >
> >
> > Sorry i disagree completely.
> >
> > PS. Odrick couldnt hold starks jockstrap.
>
>
> Most important stat:
>
> Odrick is 26
>
> Starks is 30
>
> "down" years are going to be the norm, not the
> exception, for Starks from here on out.
>
> Over paying for older players is a sure fire
> recipe for destroying your cap.
>
> Starks made 8.5 mill last year. He wants more
> than that, long term.
>
> No thanks. I'd rather go with the cheaper option
> in Odrick who is a very similar player.

stop making sense
though I do disagree with you on not resigning grimes

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The beatings will continue until morale improves.

What makes no sense is letting the good players go and keeping the scrubs.

We've been doing that forever and look how good we are today!!!

samsam3738 Wrote:
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> What makes no sense is letting the good players go
> and keeping the scrubs.
>
> We've been doing that forever and look how good we
> are today!!!


You are right.

Lets ignore reality and just sign all our guys and all of the best free agents and hope the NFL doesn't notice we are $300m over the salary cap.

That sounds like a good strategy.


Ok Sam.

So you are gm. You just re-signed all out good FA's (Starks, Soliai, Grimes, Clemons, etc) and you now have $6m in cap space left for your draft picks.

Whats your game plan to fix whats broken on offense?

C'mon Truth, not fair! People should have the right to bitch and moan about things without actually have a solid plan to put in its place you big bully!