Yeah right.........Let go of solai and let go of starks....


Probably our two best DTS.



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We need to do something to keep all the good players for once....How to do it? We do not know because we are not gms.


Look at the seattle team.

They are stocked full of talent in every position.


How do they kepp such a talented team in place within the salary cap?

Maybe our GM should ask...the seattle GM how to make it happen.

Hey if our old GM Scrub didnt know how to make it happen.....and this scrub gm we just signed doesnt either...


We screwed man.

samsam3738 Wrote:
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> truth...........no thanks i dont want to be GM.
> None of us can be GMS....None of us know how to be
> GMs.
>
>
> But just to answer your question of how i would do
> it and my 2 cents ......this is the
> answer..........I think if other teams can
> acomplish having great players
> on their teams....WITHIN the salary cap....why
> can't we?

Other teams make choices like this ALL THE TIME Sam.

But regardless of what you want to happen, you still have to deal with the reality of the situation. We only have so much cap space to work with. Choices have to be made on who to spend that on.

>
>
> Can't contracts from different players be
> restructured? ETC
>

Sure. But you can't do it without the player agreeing. And the only way to do that is to threaten to cut him.

Who you got in mind.?


>
> If we have to keep letting our good players go and
> keep signing unknowns.....Because thats what free
> agents are.....and draft picks are even
> worse....you have to hope with free agents and
> draft picks.
>
True enough. But with FA'S you at least have a track record of production at the NFL level.


> Then there is something really wrong with this
> organization.
>
>
> Been doing that for years (letting go of great
> players and signing free agent scrubs )

You mean free agent scrubs like cam wake, Mike Wallace, randy starks, and Brent Grimes?




> and where
> are we know. In the dumpsters.

We were 8-8 last year Sam and finished in the top half of the league.

The only thing in the dumpsters is our fan base.

We have 30 mil in cap space but that is nothing when you look at the amount of holes still on this team. The fact is that Ireland has struck out so many times (FA and draft) that we have no choice but to let some of our better FA's walk and try to build this team through the draft.

We have little choice when it comes to Starks. He is not taking a lower deal to stay because is disgruntled. 95% certainty he is gone.

Solia may take a discount because he doesn't want to move his family....BUT he is only a two down player so how much do you pay him? No more than his last contract. That's for sure.

It's just not smart to overpay for 31 year old players.

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samsam3738 Wrote:
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> Yeah right.........Let go of solai and let go of
> starks....
>
>
> Probably our two best DTS.
>
>
>
> __________________________________________________
> ___________________
>
>
>
> We need to do something to keep all the good
> players for once....How to do it? We do not know
> because we are not gms.
>
>
> Look at the seattle team.
>
> They are stocked full of talent in every
> position.
>
>
> How do they kepp such a talented team in place
> within the salary cap?
>
> Maybe our GM should ask...the seattle GM how to
> make it happen.

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Sam, you do realize that Seattle has about five players that will be FAs, right? Sherman is one of them. The organization has already resigned itself that they can't get all of them back.

Now, the difference between Seattle and Miami is that they have replacements in the wings and Miami does not. Easier to let some of these guys go knowing that.

Also, just remember, a good number of their starters were late round picks, which equals lower salaries.

the difference between our team and those like SEA who can have a lot of good players and be under the cap is those teams DRAFT well. That is how you get good players who are cheap. When you can't get a Mike Wallace in the 3d rd (as Pitt did) and instead have to may him $120 million, well you're in a bit of a bind. Also those teams have depth where it is not the end of the world if you lose a player, you've got someone younger cheaper and nearly as good to replace him. We've got no depth so if we let somone walk it creates a gaping hole. I mean, do we even have any backup OL on this team who can play? No, which is why if a starter leaves we've got no one on the roster to reaplce him

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The beatings will continue until morale improves.

Quote: the truth wrote: The only thing in the dumpsters is our fan base.


Maybe some fans are bandwagon fans. I dont disagree with that.

Unlike some of us who stuck with this team through thick and thin.


And also the team is in the dumpster. 1. Noone wanted to coach this team or did you forgot how that current san fran coach rejected this team like if we were the bubonic plague........Sorry about the spelling...im working.....What else can you say about a team that hasnt made the playoffs in like 25 years more or less.

Made it Maybe once in that span?

I'd do the opposite of what samsam says.

I would say thinks, but that is a reach.

You can't sign both to huge $$$ and hope to improve other areas.

Solia is the one you keep.

If Starks signs elsewhere I would look at signing Tony McDaniel ahead of Soliai. He is a F/A and I always liked that guy. If we lose Starks I would have no prblem letting Soliai go too. Starks is the guy I want.

I can live without keeping Starks. I don't think Odrick is much worse, he is younger cheaper, same skill set. Solia brings a different skill set to the table and will resign for cheaper (unlike Randy S he reportedly loves Miami and wants to stay, Starks is just looking to get paid). Not really a difficult choice IMO
And I agree about McDaniel, he was a very good player here who Ireland let walk for no real reason at all. He sign for very little with SEA and had a great year--though is he really a FA? I though he signed a 2 year deal.
Anyway I doubt we resign him, after kicking him to the curb (though under a different GM)

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The beatings will continue until morale improves.

T Mac is available. He signed a one year deal.

samsam3738 Wrote:
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> Quote: the truth wrote: The only thing in the
> dumpsters is our fan base.
>
>
> Maybe some fans are bandwagon fans. I dont
> disagree with that.
>
> Unlike some of us who stuck with this team through
> thick and thin.
>
>
> And also the team is in the dumpster. 1. Noone
> wanted to coach this team or did you forgot how
> that current san fran coach rejected this team
> like if we were the bubonic plague........Sorry
> about the spelling...im working.....What else can
> you say about a team that hasnt made the playoffs
> in like 25 years more or less.
>
> Made it Maybe once in that span?

That's revisionist history Sam.

Harbaugh turned us down because he didn't want to move his family.

In fact, he was headed back to Stanford until SF stepped up and gave him an opportunity to be a HC in the NFL without moving his family.

samsam3738 Wrote:
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> Truth all we want for this team is the best and to
> be a contender once again. Everyone here does.
> Even the dolfin brothers.
>
> I can even talk for you about this. We are tired
> of mediocrity and not making the playoffs and
> having no hope when the season starts....Like that
> 1-15 season. And i know you feel the same way i
> dont even have to ask.
>
> I wish there was a quix fix solution for all this.
> But i think it will take a while.
>
> And we've been saying that for years.
>
> PS. But We arent jumping ship or getting off
> bandwagon. Definetely not.
>
> I like basketball the heat are winning...and
> baseball the marlins won a couple championships
> that i enjoyed.
>
>
> But there is no feeling like watching the phins
> play on sunday at 1 pm. Win or lose. Nothing beats
> that. Nor baseball or basketball.


That's all anyone wants Sam.

All we are doing is talking about how we get there.

That means we have to take into account how much money we have to spend under the cap and prioritize which positions we need to fill in order to put this team in the best possible position to be successful next year.

That means making choices.

Just signing everyone we want isn't an option.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/15/2014 04:40AM by THE Truth.

The Seahawks are paying like 5 dollars for their QB too so that really helps the salary cap.

You can't have an "All-Pro" player filling EVERY Roster Spot.

SOLIAI was playing "dinged" all of last season. He'll very probably return to form this season. STARKS is already "up in years". He won't be getting any better, and he had little-to-no IMPACT last season. We have a "STARKS Jr." (so to speak) in ODRICK, and a SOLIAI Jr. (can't recall his name off the top of my head). So, one should go, and i/m/o, it's STARKS.

MIAMI's caproom has been reported down here (MIAMI-LAUDERDALE) to be $34-36 Million. Cutting STARKS should clear a few more Millions.
So, w/o much effort alt all, MIAMI could enter F/A with virtually all of its key F/As, and an estimated $45 Million with which to go shopping (including for its own F/As).

I've seen estimates where MIAMI would have very little left after signing its own F/As, based on a $30 Million starting point. But some of our F/As WILL NOT be re-signed; and (b) the more accurate "starting point" is $34-36 Million. $45 Million seems to be more realistic, w/only STARKS and a couple of other, more minor talents cut. So, MIAMI could go on quite a "shopping spree" this preseason. I could see a F/A topshelf T, G and ILB, among other lesser,depth signings, coming to MIAMI w/little to no trouble at all! With the right choices, and a solid Draft, i/m/o, MIAMI could not only make the Playoffs, but go deep into said Playoffs. Who knows...?



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/22/2014 07:21AM by LUDUPORCU.

Starks is a FA so we can't cut him. The 36 mil cap number does not include salaries for players not under contract like Starks.

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LUDUPORCU Wrote:
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> You can't have an "All-Pro" player filling EVERY
> Roster Spot.
>
> SOLIAI was playing "dinged" all of last season.
> He'll very probably return to form this season.
> STARKS is already "up in years". He won't be
> getting any better, and he had little-to-no IMPACT
> last season. We have a "STARKS Jr." (so to speak)
> in ODRICK, and a SOLIAI Jr. (can't recall his name
> off the top of my head). So, one should go, and
> i/m/o, it's STARKS.
>
> MIAMI's caproom has been reported down here
> (MIAMI-LAUDERDALE) to be $34-36 Million. Cutting
> STARKS should clear a few more Millions.
> So, w/o much effort alt all, MIAMI could enter F/A
> with virtually all of its key F/As, and an
> estimated $45 Million with which to go shopping
> (including for its own F/As).
>
> I've seen estimates where MIAMI would have very
> little left after signing its own F/As, based on a
> $30 Million starting point. But some of our F/As
> WILL NOT be re-signed; and (b) the more accurate
> "starting point" is $34-36 Million. $45 Million
> seems to be more realistic, w/only STARKS and a
> couple of other, more minor talents cut. So, MIAMI
> could go on quite a "shopping spree" this
> preseason. I could see a F/A topshelf T, G and
> ILB, among other lesser,depth signings, coming to
> MIAMI w/little to no trouble at all! With the
> right choices, and a solid Draft, i/m/o, MIAMI
> could not only make the Playoffs, but go deep into
> said Playoffs. Who knows...?


Based on the reported cap of $130M next year, and including the money we roll over from this past year that we didn't spend, we have around 36m today.

We can free up another $9.3 but cutting Matt Moore and Dimitri Patterson.

That puts us in the neighborhood of $46m

Our best free agents are:

Grimes
Starks
Soliai
Clemons
Carroll
Clabo
McKinnie
Keller
Incognito


Incognito is gone.
Keller is coming of an awful injury and may never play again. He's gone.
We could resign Mckinnie or Clabo for depth, but not both.
We might resign Starks or Soliai but not both at starter money.
Clemons can be repolaced with Jimmie Wilson or a FA/draft pick.
Grimes is a very good player who should be brought back if we have the money after rebuildig our entire oline.

I actually read a Tweet today the cap # is now gonna be set at $132 million.

dolphaholic Wrote:
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> I actually read a Tweet today the cap # is now
> gonna be set at $132 million.


That will help