Bye week rant.........

I wish he would go away. I used to dig him but him using his platform making these personal political statements is just enough. The NFL commissioner should get on him.......unless he is behind it .

GO DOLPHINS!!!!

What has he done now?

I think it was a great. He made a very good point.

Bob Costas spouted talk about changing the name of that Washington football team, the name escapes me....oh yeah, the "Redskins." A native american indian tribe complained about the name being denigrating and wants it changed. Mr. Costas also agrees with it. He used his TV National platform to opine. This topic is on the table again for the team.

Costas has been involved with TV media for 30 years or more...apparently the team's name didn't bother him until recently. Now at age 61 he has an opinion.

Costas has a valid point about the name. It is offensive to native americans.

But this is america. Dan Snyder has the right to be offensive.

At the end of the day, if nobody buys their gear then they will change the name. Until then, its not likely to be changed.

If you look hard enough, you will find everything is offensive to somebody... I am offended by our logo and it portraying the species of Dolphin in such a foolish manner... It is insulting to porpoise everywhere...
In Florida they tried to get rid of the Seminoles name for FSU.. That is until the actually Seminoles and their chief said, they were not offended... But until then their was a push to change FSU's name as well...
As a long standing fan of the NFL, I am offended to just throw away the history of Washington Redskins.. I think they should be more
embarrassed to have the name Washington associated with the team then Redskins...

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All things are subject to interpretation whichever interpretation prevails at a given time is a function of power and not truth.
Nietzsche

Its common sense, the Seminole name encompasses everything noble and honorable about the tribe. Redskin is and always has been a derogatory name. Its the 21 century if I were an American Indian I would be tired of it. I can see their point its time for a change.

Yes but, the Seminole name was attempted to be changed under the same pre tense.. That Indians were offended by it... That we name our Sports teams after animals and such and there by calling them a tribe name was comparing them to animals or a nostalgic figure.. It almost got changed under that reasoning... Then at the last minute, the Seminoles actually stood up and said it was nonsense we are honored not offended.. Go look it up, how it all went down.

Go ahead and name them the white skins, wouldn't offend me in the slightest... But if we are going to go overboard with political correctness.. I think at the very least, the Buccanears, Raiders, Patriots and Chiefs should all be changed as well.. Since it makes light of very important groups of people in American history and makes them a cartoon clown to be exploited by the NFL..

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All things are subject to interpretation whichever interpretation prevails at a given time is a function of power and not truth.
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Crowder52 Wrote:
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> If you look hard enough, you will find everything
> is offensive to somebody... I am offended by our
> logo and it portraying the species of Dolphin in
> such a foolish manner... It is insulting to
> porpoise everywhere...
> In Florida they tried to get rid of the Seminoles
> name for FSU.. That is until the actually
> Seminoles and their chief said, they were not
> offended... But until then their was a push to
> change FSU's name as well...
> As a long standing fan of the NFL, I am offended
> to just throw away the history of Washington
> Redskins.. I think they should be more
> embarrassed to have the name Washington associated
> with the team then Redskins...

Did u just equate a derogatory nickname for a minority per of color with an animals actual name and an artists description of that animal?

Truth- is negro a derogatory term as well according to you?

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All things are subject to interpretation whichever interpretation prevails at a given time is a function of power and not truth.
Nietzsche

Maybe someone should start a sports team and call it the black-skins? yellow-skins? white-skins? That wouldn't be offensive, would it?

Crowder52 Wrote:
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> Yes but, the Seminole name was attempted to be
> changed under the same pre tense.. That Indians
> were offended by it... That we name our Sports
> teams after animals and such and there by calling
> them a tribe name was comparing them to animals or
> a nostalgic figure.. It almost got changed under
> that reasoning... Then at the last minute, the
> Seminoles actually stood up and said it was
> nonsense we are honored not offended.. Go look it
> up, how it all went down.
>
> Go ahead and name them the white skins, wouldn't
> offend me in the slightest... But if we are going
> to go overboard with political correctness.. I
> think at the very least, the Buccanears, Raiders,
> Patriots and Chiefs should all be changed as
> well.. Since it makes light of very important
> groups of people in American history and makes
> them a cartoon clown to be exploited by the NFL..

When did pirates become "an important group of people in American history "?

The chief nickname is more or less in the same boat as the Seminole nickname. It's not an insult. It's honoring an historical legacy.... To a degree.

Redskins is just an insult.

Words have different connotations. They always will.

"Redskins" connotes a reference to fierce warriors? Perhaps, fierce, Indian warrior. Perhaps. fierce native american warrior. Etc.

The "Redskin" name doesn't connote a bad actor, such as Raiders or Buccaneers or Pirates. Those conjure thoughts of cutthroats, scoundrels pillaging, plundering, robbing, doing ruinous things for themselves against others.

I can't believe the Redskins name was chosen to reflect anything that would be derogatory about or toward native Americans. If anything it was a name to reflect courage, fierceness, and a warrior spirit.

The name Dolphins has it's own connotation as a team name. At the time the team was being formed, many names were considered during a contest. The team was going to be in the Sunshine State, located in Miami. What name would be appropriate for a vacation destination, where there are beaches and lots of fun outdoor activities? Mariners, Sharks, Suns were all considered. The winning name was Dolphins.

What does Dolphins connote? Hmmm, actually not a fish but a mammal, a porpoise. These animals are intelligent, communicative, swift, agile, courageous, and friendly.

I submit that team names are merely designed to reflect a catchy moniker for fans and nothing more. No derogatory meaning or ill will is ever meant to put even a pirate in a bad light.

Crowder52 Wrote:
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> Truth- is negro a derogatory term as well
> according to you?

I'm not black. It doesn't offend me. But even so that term isn't a nickname anymore than calling me a Caucasian, or calling a Seminole Indian a Seminole would be.

A better comparison would be to ask if I find the term "darkie" to be derogatory.

colonel Wrote:
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> Words have different connotations. They always
> will.
>
> "Redskins" connotes a reference to fierce
> warriors? Perhaps, fierce, Indian warrior.
> Perhaps. fierce native american warrior. Etc.
>
> The "Redskin" name doesn't connote a bad actor,
> such as Raiders or Buccaneers or Pirates. Those
> conjure thoughts of cutthroats, scoundrels
> pillaging, plundering, robbing, doing ruinous
> things for themselves against others.
>
> I can't believe the Redskins name was chosen to
> reflect anything that would be derogatory about or
> toward native Americans. If anything it was a name
> to reflect courage, fierceness, and a warrior
> spirit.
>
> The name Dolphins has it's own connotation as a
> team name. At the time the team was being formed,
> many names were considered during a contest. The
> team was going to be in the Sunshine State,
> located in Miami. What name would be appropriate
> for a vacation destination, where there are
> beaches and lots of fun outdoor activities?
> Mariners, Sharks, Suns were all considered. The
> winning name was Dolphins.
>
> What does Dolphins connote? Hmmm, actually not a
> fish but a mammal, a porpoise. These animals are
> intelligent, communicative, swift, agile,
> courageous, and friendly.
>
> I submit that team names are merely designed to
> reflect a catchy moniker for fans and nothing
> more. No derogatory meaning or ill will is ever
> meant to put even a pirate in a bad light.

Colonel, I think that u are right that the name wasn't chosen with malice in mind. It was meant as a compliment in a different era.

But things change.

"gay" used to mean happy or carefree. Now if you use it to describe someone not into same sex relationships then you are going to get sued or get into a fight.

Lets say you are having a conversation with a family of native Americans.... Are you going to feel perfectly calm referring to them, their families or their people as "redskins"?



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Mascot? What? A mascot argument?

That's a weak, pathetic argument if I ever heard one. I don't buy it.

North American native americans respected birds of prey, the wolf, fox, the bear, the buffalo. They incorporated that respect into their dress and their attributes into their behavior. Totem poles, with some northern tribes, included symbols of Ravens and other tough birds. The native american has many cultural symbols.

Argue all you want Redskin has often been used as a derisive and derogotory term. I don't have an issue w/ it but I can see an American Indians point and that is not going overboard w/ political correctness.

Maybe the American Indians always found the name offensive now they have the political support to do something about and they should.

What if Notre Dame's mascot was the stupid, drunken, wife beating, starving Irish

that lil s-o-b annoys me but he might beat the hell out of me w/ that damn stick if I kicked him. Right Colonel good old hearty Irish picked the mascot themselves American Indians had no say so in picking the skins mascot. So if they now have a poblem w/ it I understand where they are coming from. Folks that forced Marqutte to changed their name and tried to get the UofIllinoise to change are the extremist.

THE Truth Wrote:
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> Costas has a valid point about the name. It is
> offensive to native americans.


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Not for me and my family. My Grandmother is 100% Crow Indian. She had 8 kids (including my mother). All 8 kids and my Grandma are die hard Skins fans.

I asked my Uncle (who is 50% Crow Indian) how he would feel if the Redskins changed their name, he said he would never watch another Skins game in his life.

The bottom line is, we live in a country with too much Political Correctiness, and if something doesnt tickle our fancy then it is offensive.

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"When you suck long enough, you get a Hickey"

why did god create this here mess?


I wish we would all speak the same language and i wish we were all the same race.

Why make it so difficult for humanity?

My grandfather, my namesake, died when I was 1 year old. I don't know what he looked like because I was told that he felt that if you took a picture of him, the camera would trap his soul. He was born of a Black slave who escaped his master and a native American woman whose tribe he joined who were moving from Florida westward.

I was born and raised in Oklahoma until the age of 15. Every school child had to go and visit Geronimo's cell.

Can you imagine the number of schools there in Oklahoma with native American names, Redskins, Braves, fighting this or that?

My response to the controversy is the following,


"???????"

I have always looked upon it as honoring our past.

What is racist is to assume that if just one person, or Chief or tribe is offended by it then it must be offensive to all of those people as if they all think alike. When Stokely Carmichael spoke, did he speak for all Blacks or was that Martin Luther King or was that Malcolm X? Of course not.

Many different people have different reactions to those names but the majority of native Americans see these names as what they were meant to be, paying homage to a valiant and brave people so as to adopt their name.


I don't consider myself African-American because I consider it making me a "hypenated American". I consider the only people who are African-Americans are people like Obama where one parent came some nation in Africa and the other parent came from the United States. I prefer just Black but I don't trip about it. I wouldn't bring it up if I were a sportscaster.

The point made by the poster above about "Gays" is slightly off because if I read it right, the poster said what if it were applied to someone who was NOT Gay, that person would be offended. But just like Gays no longer, in large part, hide in "the closet" but proudly proclaim their sexual orientation and would be offended if you ASSUMED that they were straight, so why should not a straight person be offended if you assumed he or she were Gay?

So if they changed the name to Washington Palefaces, I would not be offeneded. I find this to be downright stupid.

I always thought of Redskins as proud warriors. not sure how that is offensive.

sick of all the political BS

THE Truth Wrote:
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> Costas has a valid point about the name. It is
> offensive to native americans.
>
> But this is america. Dan Snyder has the right to
> be offensive.
>
> At the end of the day, if nobody buys their gear
> then they will change the name. Until then, its
> not likely to be changed.

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It's been the "Redskins" since the team was born and no one, until a year or two ago, had any problem with it.

That's the problem with today's America...too politically correct. Majority could want one thing, but a minority complains and all of a sudden something has to be changed.

Not gonna throw my politics in here, but how long was it "Merry Christmas" and a few people had a problem with it, and now it's gone, along with "In God We Trust."

Give me back MY America.

THE Truth Wrote:
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> Crowder52 Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Yes but, the Seminole name was attempted to be
> > changed under the same pre tense.. That Indians
> > were offended by it... That we name our Sports
> > teams after animals and such and there by
> calling
> > them a tribe name was comparing them to animals
> or
> > a nostalgic figure.. It almost got changed
> under
> > that reasoning... Then at the last minute, the
> > Seminoles actually stood up and said it was
> > nonsense we are honored not offended.. Go look
> it
> > up, how it all went down.
> >
> > Go ahead and name them the white skins,
> wouldn't
> > offend me in the slightest... But if we are
> going
> > to go overboard with political correctness.. I
> > think at the very least, the Buccanears,
> Raiders,
> > Patriots and Chiefs should all be changed as
> > well.. Since it makes light of very important
> > groups of people in American history and makes
> > them a cartoon clown to be exploited by the
> NFL..
>
> When did pirates become "an important group of
> people in American history "?
>
> The chief nickname is more or less in the same
> boat as the Seminole nickname. It's not an
> insult. It's honoring an historical legacy....
> To a degree.
>
> Redskins is just an insult.

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Did you feel that way about 10 years ago?