I apologize if someone already commented about this:

On Sunday against the Colts, Sturgis lined up for a 54 yard FG. He nailed it through the uprights, but the Colts called timeout just before the ball was snapped. They wanted to "ice" Sturgis and throw off his rhythm. So Sturgis had to try the kick again. He nailed it again. 54 yards is a long kick to make twice in a row in a pressure situation. Most kickers would make either one or neither of those kicks. Usually, the end result of the "icing" is that the opposing coach either looks like a knucklehead or a genius. Sturgis made both, so in this case the opposing coach looked neither dumb nor smart.

As we know, the Dolphins beat the Colts by 4, but that kick was actually the deciding play in the game. Had he not made the kick, the Dolphins would have only been ahead by 1 point when the Colts mounted their final drive late in the 4th quarter. On 4th and long, the Colts would most likely have kicked a game-winning FG. Instead, they were behind by 4 and had to try for a TD. The Miami defense sacked Luck on 4th down and the game was over.

It is very likely that the Dolphins would have lost that game if Dan Carpenter was still the kicker.

Northeast Fin Fan Wrote:
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> I apologize if someone already commented about
> this:
>
> On Sunday against the Colts, Sturgis lined up for
> a 54 yard FG. He nailed it through the uprights,
> but the Colts called timeout just before the ball
> was snapped. They wanted to "ice" Sturgis and
> throw off his rhythm. So Sturgis had to try the
> kick again. He nailed it again. 54 yards is a
> long kick to make twice in a row in a pressure
> situation. Most kickers would make either one or
> neither of those kicks. Usually, the end result
> of the "icing" is that the opposing coach either
> looks like a knucklehead or a genius. Sturgis
> made both, so in this case the opposing coach
> looked neither dumb nor smart.



The kid is so money, and he doesn't even know it.





>
> As we know, the Dolphins beat the Colts by 4, but
> that kick was actually the deciding play in the
> game. Had he not made the kick, the Dolphins
> would have only been ahead by 1 point when the
> Colts mounted their final drive late in the 4th
> quarter. On 4th and long, the Colts would most
> likely have kicked a game-winning FG. Instead,
> they were behind by 4 and had to try for a TD.
> The Miami defense sacked Luck on 4th down and the
> game was over.
>
> It is very likely that the Dolphins would have
> lost that game if Dan Carpenter was still the
> kicker.

Ummm....no.

First off, Carpenter could have made that kick. He's not as good as Sturgis but he a solid pro kicker.

Secondly, if he'd missed our play calling would have been entirely different in the 4th quarter with a 1 point lead versus a 4 point lead...on both sides of the ball.

It's a long season....He may be the goat in another week.

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Carpenter is 11 for 21 over 50 yards in his career. He was 2 for 5 last year.

No guarantees he would have made the kick.

If the stars, moon and Jupiter were all in alignment, Carpenter might have made one of those kicks... Absolutely no way he makes back to back kicks after getting iced as Sturgis did... Philbin said in his recent PC, that the kick going into halftime was the difference in the game... He said he told the team at halftime, remember those 3 pts, they are going to be huge..

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Kickers are an essential position, despite the movement towards the quarterback-is 99.9% of-the-team way of thinking. We've won many games over the years due to having a great kicker on the roster, and this was the most recent example.

I hope Sturgis kicks like that for us for another 15 years.

Carpenter was a hero last week... Sealing the victory for Bills with his kick...Although it was only an extra point.... It still gave the Bills the 1pt victory....lol.... But at least he is playing after the string of cuts, I was worried about him...

I remember just a couple months ago Truth, was telling me, Carpenter could starting a bidding war for his services, and get more then we were suppose to pay him. So it was likely a team would want to trade us something for his contract.... That one didnt exactly pan out in Carpenters favor.... 1 year 715k, is what he is getting paid, ouch.... About 2 million less this year then our contract plus it is only a one year deal...

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Lets not forget how Sturgis consistently boots it deep in the endzone on kickoffs...something Carpenter could rarely do. Caleb takes a lot of pressure off our Special Teams. The kid is awesome...so far.

If this kid keeps it up can he be a better version of olindo mare?

Sturgeon is The Bomb so far…

Not saying this team is ready to win a Super Bowl, but I think about the Patsies Super Bowl wins and all of them required a great kicker.

We have everything except a dominating Oline.

Crowder52 Wrote:
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> If the stars, moon and Jupiter were all in
> alignment, Carpenter might have made one of those
> kicks... Absolutely no way he makes back to back
> kicks after getting iced as Sturgis did... Philbin
> said in his recent PC, that the kick going into
> halftime was the difference in the game... He said
> he told the team at halftime, remember those 3
> pts, they are going to be huge..


He was kicking indoors. Carpenter would have had a very good chance to make that kick twice indoors.

And what would Philbin have said if he'd missed the kick? That we lost the game when missed that kick? Of course not.

Yes, it was an impactful kick. It gave us momentum and leveled the score at the half.

But it didn't determine the outcome of the game.

If you want to point to one play that might have determined the outcome of the game it was Grimes INT in the endzone in the 4th quarter. If that's Sean Smith out there, he drops it or gives up a TD and the FG make or miss in the 2nd quarter is irrelevant...of course, then we probably call different plays at the end of the game instead of trying to run out the clock since we'd have been losing instead of winning.

My take is that first Sturgis is far better than Carpenter ever was. The steely nerve making a 54 yarder (that is the outer limits of normal highest, once you get higher than that, people start talking about the history books). Dude did it twice and both were right down the middle.

Secondly, Carpenter WOULD have made it had not Philbin destroyed his confidence but even afterwards Philbin destroyed his confidence, Carpenter maybe COULD have made it.

agreed, sturgis looks like a stud K

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Can't imagine what this board will look like when he misses a 4th quarter kick in a tight game.

ChrenB....Philbin could had destroyed sturgis confidence as well....

Sturgis fieldgoal was 54 yards...

Both of carpenter missed fieldgoal were less than that.

Sturgis IMO will be way better than carpenter.

i don't think a coach asking a kicker to make a long FG should be viewed as destroying his confidence. It is their job to make FGs, long or short.

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samsam3738 Wrote:
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> ChrenB....Philbin could had destroyed sturgis
> confidence as well....
>
> Sturgis fieldgoal was 54 yards...
>
> Both of carpenter missed fieldgoal were less than
> that.
>
> Sturgis IMO will be way better than carpenter.


Philbin destroyed Carpenter's confidence? This year or last?

How exactly? By asking him to win a few games with very makeable kicks last year or by bringing in a young kicker with a better leg to compete with him?

You know what?? Forget I asked. I really don't want to know the "reasoning" behind that claim.

I imagine they are referring to the jets game last year where, when we were on about the 35 yard line (52 yard FG) at the end of the game, RT threw 3 long incomplete passes instead of trying to get closer in for the FG Carpenter ended up missing. To me that shows confidence in the kicker, and shouldn't destroy the kicker's confidence

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THE Truth Wrote:
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> If you want to point to one play that might have
> determined the outcome of the game it was Grimes
> INT in the endzone in the 4th quarter. If that's
> Sean Smith out there, he drops it or gives up a TD
> and the FG make or miss in the 2nd quarter is
> irrelevant...of course, then we probably call
> different plays at the end of the game instead of
> trying to run out the clock since we'd have been
> losing instead of winning.


I agree with that... That interception by Grimes was huge... Luck was a bit stunned and it shook him... Had Luck scored on that drive we probably lose the game.... That and the kick by Sturgis were both game changing plays....

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berkeley223 Wrote:
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> I imagine they are referring to the jets game last
> year where, when we were on about the 35 yard line
> (52 yard FG) at the end of the game, RT threw 3
> long incomplete passes instead of trying to get
> closer in for the FG Carpenter ended up missing.
> To me that shows confidence in the kicker, and
> shouldn't destroy the kicker's confidence


Exactly.

If a kicker loses his confidence for any serious length of time because of a missed fg of any length then he never really had any confidence in the first place.


But in that Jets game...Carpenter hit a 41 yard FG late in regulation to force OT.

He missed a 48 yard FG in OT that cost us the game.

but that OT drive wasn't pass, pass, pass FG at the end.

It started with 2 runs for 8 yards and and a 6 yard completion to fasano for the 1st. Then a 41 yard completion to Hartline to the Jets 35.

Followed by a 3 yard run, and deep incompletion on 2nd down and a 2 yard run on 3rd to set up the 48 yard FG that he missed.

I was refering to chren saying that philbin destroyed carpenters confidence by making him kick a 48 yarder or so.

Which ive always disagreed of course..

But thats what this board is for. For different opinions and different point of views.

You put a player in a position to make a play or kick a fieldgoal...Carpenter just didnt do his job in this case. Twice we lost game because of his misses.

Sturgeon is a very significant upgrade over the Carpenter IMO.

THE Truth Wrote:
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> Can't imagine what this board will look like when
> he misses a 4th quarter kick in a tight game.


I was thinking, "isn't this the same Sturgis everyone was pissed we used a 5th round pick on?"

THE Truth Wrote:
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> Crowder52 Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > If the stars, moon and Jupiter were all in
> > alignment, Carpenter might have made one of
> those
> > kicks... Absolutely no way he makes back to
> back
> > kicks after getting iced as Sturgis did...
> Philbin
> > said in his recent PC, that the kick going into
> > halftime was the difference in the game... He
> said
> > he told the team at halftime, remember those 3
> > pts, they are going to be huge..
>
>
> He was kicking indoors. Carpenter would have
> had a very good chance to make that kick twice
> indoors.
>
> And what would Philbin have said if he'd missed
> the kick? That we lost the game when missed that
> kick? Of course not.
>
> Yes, it was an impactful kick. It gave us
> momentum and leveled the score at the half.
>
> But it didn't determine the outcome of the game.
>
>
> If you want to point to one play that might have
> determined the outcome of the game it was Grimes
> INT in the endzone in the 4th quarter. If that's
> Sean Smith out there, he drops it or gives up a TD
> and the FG make or miss in the 2nd quarter is
> irrelevant...of course, then we probably call
> different plays at the end of the game instead of
> trying to run out the clock since we'd have been
> losing instead of winning.

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AND.....if we want to point out a play that could have LOST the game, I point to the play where Jordan "bumped" Luck, allowing Luck to escape, get a first down, and continue the drive.

Jordan better do a better job than that. I am sick and tired of seeing these "pros" hit someone instead of tackling them. If Jordan had "tackled" Luck, the drive would not have continued.

The whole damn NFL should look at the tackle R. Sherman (Seahawks) laid on a 49er receiver. THAT'S HOW YOU TACKLE!!!

THE Truth Wrote:
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>
>
> He was kicking indoors. Carpenter would have
> had a very good chance to make that kick twice
> indoors.
>


Not that it made a huge difference, but wasn't the retractable roof on this stadium'open' for this game?

Truth- you are right.... Coyle addressed it in his PC as you said... Luck did a pump with his shoulder as Jordan was getting to him... Jordan had his head down and thought the ball was away and didnt want to get a penalty by slamming Luck to the ground... He said it was Jordan's fear of a penalty for roughing the passer as to why he let up.... He said it was a rookie move, that Jordan learned from... But it was based on the fact he thought the ball was thrown... Not just thinking he could push Luck down rather then need to tackle him... Next time he will keep his head up and not down, so he can see whether or not the QB got rid of the ball or not...

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