other 2 times i was really young and the twin towers hadnt happened yet.

Sam are you feeling okay?

JC Wrote:
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> Sam are you feeling okay?


LOL

JC Wrote:
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> Sam are you feeling okay?


Yes iam.....And it was a true story too.

I lost you after the you mentioned Rags with beards........???

GO DOLPHINS!!!!

I lost you after the you mentioned Rags with beards........???

GO DOLPHINS!!!!

Let me be more specific...

HEAD RAGS AND BEARDS......?

Kind of pakistanish looking...

Next time i ride a plane and see just one of them riding along i will definetely dump a load in my pants.

And i aint afraid to say it..................

When you mention planes and bombs in the same sentence.....I become the biggest b!tch you can ever see.

I went over there about a year or so ago....And i really didnt enjoy the flight going over there or coming back ......

there has been just too many plane crashes lately for me to feel confortable riding a plane.

I just heard about the plane that crashed in california last week....

Some people at work tell me its safer to ride a plane than to ride a car.

that there has been more deaths in car crashes than in plane crashes.

I tell them.....Just let me crash in my car please. thank you.

samsam3738 Wrote:
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> Let me be more specific...
>
> HEAD RAGS AND BEARDS......?
>
> Kind of pakistanish looking...
>
> Next time i ride a plane and see just one of them
> riding along i will definetely dump a load in my
> pants.



Wow. I guess you get Diarrhea going into 7-11 and its not from the coffee?

GO DOLPHINS!!!!

lmao.

The other shoe dropped today. Now he is being looked at in a double homicide.

The theory is that he did the last killing to cover up the first two.

The first two is really stupid.

AssHo_e (AH) gets into a verbal altercation with two guys in a bar.

He goes outside at the end and waits in his own car.

The other two guys get in their car and he fires a gun into that car killing two.

Witnesses identify his SUV or whatever.

That's the search warrant the police got.

This idiot kills two guys just over a barroom argument????????????

Can there be better proof that we NEED a MANDATORY NATIONAL DEATH PENALTY?

Why should citizens of states like Massachusetts go unprotected because silly bleeding heart legislators get together and abolish the death penalty?

Three people are now dead because of Aaron Hernandez. One, a supposed friend of his begging for his life when he was coldbloodedly shot.

Two others sitting in their car getting ready to leave a bar and not suspecting anything.

But Aaron Hernandez, in Massachusetts, will live the rest of his life at Government expense, being fed, clothed, watching TV, getting exercise, healthcare and most likely, internet connections.

Meanwhile there are homeless people who have done no other sin than being poor or addicted to drugs who have to live outdoors in the cold, be filthy, not be able to take a bath, eat out of garbage cans, etc. While this POS will live????????????????????.

It's surprising to me because Liberals are the ones blocking the death penalty and you would THINK they would care more about the homeless than scum like death row inmates.

Secondly, liberals usually don't believe in God. But if there is no God, then this life is the only "go around" you get. And if this is the only "go around" you ought to want to have severe laws that discourage, rather than make no difference, when someone decides he wants to take a life.

Therefore, there should be a premium on preserving life and the only way to do that is to let the Killer, like Aaron Hernandez, know that HIS life will be taken if he takes another life.

Chren I agree completely......

And i add.....We are living in hell.............this IMO is our last stop.

This is our last chance to redeem ourselves and we dont even know it and take it for granted.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 07/25/2013 04:12AM by samsam3738.

Chyren- why did the prosecution ask for a continuance in the probably cause hearing today? Does that mean they dont currently have the evidence needed to get an indictment? Or just standard procedure from the DA since the guys is already in custody and they want to dot their i's and cross their t's?

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ChyrenB Wrote:
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> The other shoe dropped today. Now he is being
> looked at in a double homicide.
>
> The theory is that he did the last killing to
> cover up the first two.
>
> The first two is really stupid.
>
> AssHo_e (AH) gets into a verbal altercation with
> two guys in a bar.
>
> He goes outside at the end and waits in his own
> car.
>
> The other two guys get in their car and he fires a
> gun into that car killing two.
>
> Witnesses identify his SUV or whatever.
>
> That's the search warrant the police got.
>
> This idiot kills two guys just over a barroom
> argument????????????
>
> Can there be better proof that we NEED a MANDATORY
> NATIONAL DEATH PENALTY?
>
> Why should citizens of states like Massachusetts
> go unprotected because silly bleeding heart
> legislators get together and abolish the death
> penalty?
>
> Three people are now dead because of Aaron
> Hernandez. One, a supposed friend of his begging
> for his life when he was coldbloodedly shot.
>
> Two others sitting in their car getting ready to
> leave a bar and not suspecting anything.
>
> But Aaron Hernandez, in Massachusetts, will live
> the rest of his life at Government expense, being
> fed, clothed, watching TV, getting exercise,
> healthcare and most likely, internet connections.

I'm all for the death penalty. But you have to be 1,000% positive. One Troy Davis is too many. Even if it means you don't get to punch the ticket on a guy like Hernandez (assuming he's guilty).




>
> Meanwhile there are homeless people who have done
> no other sin than being poor or addicted to drugs
> who have to live outdoors in the cold, be filthy,
> not be able to take a bath, eat out of garbage
> cans, etc. While this POS will
> live????????????????????.


I don't think the two are even remotely connected, but to each his own.



>
> It's surprising to me because Liberals are the
> ones blocking the death penalty and you would
> THINK they would care more about the homeless than
> scum like death row inmates.


yeah, those crazy liberals...pro-choice and Anti-Death penalty. Its almost as crazy as being "pro-life" and in favor of the death penalty....almost.




>
> Secondly, liberals usually don't believe in God.


I live in the northeast where many of the people you would call liberals call home.

You couldn't be more wrong about that statement.

It may be true that most people who are atheists are also liberals, but that is a small fraction of liberals in general.

If you go by the presumed number that 5% of Americans are atheists and that half of all Americans are liberals, then even if all atheists are liberals its still only about 10% of liberals that don't believe in god.

Even if you triple those numbers the vast majority of "liberals" still believe in god.




> But if there is no God, then this life is the only
> "go around" you get. And if this is the only "go
> around" you ought to want to have severe laws that
> discourage, rather than make no difference, when
> someone decides he wants to take a life.
>
> Therefore, there should be a premium on preserving
> life and the only way to do that is to let the
> Killer, like Aaron Hernandez, know that HIS life
> will be taken if he takes another life.


If being a rich, successful athlete wasn't enough to overcome Hernandez rage and keep him from killing people over something stupid like an argument in a bar, do you really think the possibility of being put to death would have given him pause for even one second?


I don't.

I don't know the details Crowder? In Calif. you either proceed by Grand Jury, which is EXTREMELY rare, or you do a preliminary hearing.

Many people think that all of Perry Mason's cases were trials but they weren't, they were preliminary hearings. You might notice there was no jury. But in real life prelims, as we call them, the prosecution only puts on a bare bones case which would establish that it is "more probable than not" that the defendant committed the crime.

In Massachusetts, I tried cases as a certified Law Student for the Defense in misdemeanors only. So we didn't have indictments, which was for felonies. But I suppose the standard for indictments by Grand Juries are the same. You don't have to convince the Grand Jury beyond a reasonable doubt, but only to establish basically that there is grave reasonable SUSPICION that the guy committed the offense. Basically, would it be foolish to let him go. Beyond a doubt is for a jury at the trial.

But maybe, this is just sheer speculation, they have an informant, like one of the guys that helped killed the football player who is going back and forth on ratting Hernandez out and they need that testimony to even establish the probable cause or reasonable suspicion. So they may be dicking backwards and forth with his attorney about the best deal he can make before they get it together to go for the indictment, whether before a grand jury or a judge. Of course this is all speculation on my part. Like I said, I did misdemeanors, not felonies, in Massachusetts.

Chyren- I agree, it makes practical sense that the informant is the main evidence and they dont have all their ducks in row with him yet and his deal. SO they asked for a continuance.. But how do you know the informant didnt pull the trigger either if he has put himself at the scene of the crime at the time of the murder.... I am not sure this case is as open and shut as the media is making it out to be... Either way all of them bums for being involved... Which is what will make it tough for the prosecution to prove... I imagine these guys are not exactly clean rap sheet witnesses... And if they are trying to prove that the motive was the victim ratting out these other supposed murders by Hernandez, wouldnt that put a pretty strong burden on proving Hernandez committed these other murders. To prove Hernadez committed both, which is the motive for the next.... Sounds like a tricky case......

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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 07/24/2013 02:23PM by Crowder52.

No case is ever a slam dunk, Crowder. But if you got your mom, "Motive Opportunity and Means," you are more than halfway home. AH didn't murder that semi pro player for no reason at all. From what I have heard, they have a pretty solid identification on the van used in the car to car shooting. I think there may even have been a survivor inside the car where the two victims died.

Now let's say he can identify AH as being in the fight INSIDE THE BAR and probably the main antagonist, and he matches the description of the van, and then you have the killing of the semi pro, all of these circumstances pile up to make a pretty strong case EVEN WITHOUT the informant who was there. This guy would be considered clean because he was with the victims.

Of course, as a prosecutor, you want overwhelmingly ridiculous odds in your favor and if you have to have a continuance to deal with the dirty informant, you do so.

But even if the dirty informant does not come over, you try the case anyway and put HIM, the informant, on trial right next to the rest of them.

If he is an accomplice, either in the first double murder or he even assisted in tricking the semi pro guy to come out where he could be executed, he, the reluctant informer goes down too and for a long prison term.

ChyrenB Wrote:
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> THE Truth Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
>
> > I'm all for the death penalty. But you have
> to
> > be 1,000% positive.
>
> Is it possible that we can make mistakes? Yes.
> Is it possible to do things beyond ALL POSSIBLE
> DOUBT? No.
>
> Let's apply the rule you want to everything in
> life. Let's ban cars because look how many people
> die as a result.
>
> Let's eliminate everything that can possibly cause
> death.



That's a specious argument.

We are talking about making a choice to end a human life as a society, not whether Brandi should get a BMW or and Audi for graduation.

If you want to play God and determine whether a specific person should die then you need to be correct. its really not a lot to ask.


>
> There is an old saying that "Rather 100 guilty men
> go free than one innocent men be executed."

Actually the old saying is "Its better to let 10 guilty men go free than to see one innocent man suffer."

but you were close.




>
> The problem with that is that those 100 guilty men
> will go out and kill another 100 innocent people.
>
> So what you are saying is "Rather 100 innocent men
> be murdered than one innocent man be executed."
>
> Not so pretty when you put it that way, huh?



Nope. Not pretty at all.

Not accurate either, but you are on a roll...




>
> Of course, what it comes back to is that we can't
> run a railroad, a prison system or yes, a judicial
> system on the basis that there can be no
> mistakes.
>
> No, not even when it comes to the state taking
> someone's life.



Yeah, actually we can.


Sure people are going to make mistakes. We are human. We are fallible. Only god is infallible.

Any system we set up will have human error as a component, that's a given. That's also why you set the bar incredibly high for the ultimate penalty. Cause if you are wrong there is no way to say "oops, our bad."




>
> We have a death penalty to serve as a deterrent,
> not to be perfect in all respects and be fool
> proof. Which leads into a discussion of



Most murders are acts of passion. The thought of the death penalty never enters into their thought process.


>
>
>
> >>>>>One Troy Davis is too many.
>
> > Even if it means you don't get to punch the
> ticket
> > on a guy like Hernandez (assuming he's guilty).
> >
> Not too familiar with the case but read up on it
> just now. Seems there were numerous witnesses who
> said he did it as well as people who said he
> confessed to them. Added to it, there was
> ballistic evidence.
>
> When people later change their story and 'RECANT'
> a prior identification, I don't put much stock in
> it.
>
> It's happened in my death penalty cases. The
> reality is that witnesses go through the trial and
> after the trial, they only think of their own
> butts. They think, "this guy is going to be
> executed because of my testimony, if I could only
> change that. The victim is dead and I know his
> family is suffering but that's not my problem.
> HOW AM I GOING TO SLEEP when this guy is
> executed?????"
>
> So the scumbag defense attorneys then come to them
> when the guy is running all his post conviction
> writs and ask them if they are willing to go back
> on their story and they often are. That does not
> impress me.
>
>
> >
> >
> > I don't think the two are even remotely
> connected,
> > but to each his own.
>
> The point was obvious. We are spending money
> feeding these scum, the worse in society when we
> are letting people who have done nothing literally
> starve to death on the streets. Does that make it
> clearer?




Not at all.


feeding the poor is an entirely different issue. Its not like if we killed everyone on death row that would create enough revenue to feed the poor. The two issues have nothing to do with each other.




>
>
> >
> > yeah, those crazy liberals...pro-choice and
> > Anti-Death penalty. Its almost as crazy as
> being
> > "pro-life" and in favor of the death
> > penalty....almost.
>
> I didn't bring abortion into this. You did. But
> I happen to be pro choice and pro death penalty.
> So what are you going to say about me??? That I
> just love to kill people, whether unborn or not?


hey, I didn't bring you into the equation. You did. Are you trying to admit that you don't care about human life? or just that you aren't conservative?








>
> > I live in the northeast where many of the
> people
> > you would call liberals call home.
>
>
> I live on the West Coast where liberals are
> liberals and conservatives are conservatives and
> laborites, like me, are Labourites.
>
>
> >
> > You couldn't be more wrong about that
> statement.
> >
> > It may be true that most people who are
> atheists
> > are also liberals, but that is a small fraction
> of
> > liberals in general.
>
> Okay. You're right. I was just addressing those
> who are atheists.



<I'm sure I was going to type a response here (I think), but I fainted after reading your comments and when I came to I couldn't remember what I was going to say...>





>
> >
> > If you go by the presumed number that 5% of
> > Americans are atheists and that half of all
> > Americans are liberals, then even if all
> atheists
> > are liberals its still only about 10% of
> liberals
> > that don't believe in god.
> >
> > Even if you triple those numbers the vast
> majority
> > of "liberals" still believe in god.
> >
> >
> > If being a rich, successful athlete wasn't
> enough
> > to overcome Hernandez rage and keep him from
> > killing people over something stupid like an
> > argument in a bar, do you really think the
> > possibility of being put to death would have
> given
> > him pause for even one second?
> >
> >
> > I don't.
>
> You're not going to deter EVERYBODY with the death
> penalty. Let's take the two shooters in
> Colorado.
>
> First the Columbine shooters. They planned on
> going out in a blaze of glory and did their
> killings, like the Sandy Hook shooter, and either
> got killed or shot themselves.
>
> But take the Colorado Theater Shooting. He
> heartlessly killed so many people but when the
> cops showed up outside of the theater in the
> alley, he quietly put his gun down and gave up.
> He did not want to die.
>
> That's why you don't get rid of EITHER PUNISHMENT.



I never said you get rid of the death penalty. i only said you have to be 1000% correct. If you are wrong, there should be a cost to be paid for taking an innocent life.

If you have any doubt, life in jail.




>
>
> If I had my way, I would give each killer truth
> serum to find out what was his preference to
> either live or be put to death AND I WOULD GIVE
> THE AS_HOLE his worst nightmare.
>
> Keep your eyes on the prize, Truth. The point is
> to deter murder.
>
> Anything that stops people from killing people
> should be done because the life or suffering of
> one as-hole killer is not worth the life of an
> innocent person.


What if that innocent life you are so anxious to protect turns out to be the guy you just executed because you wrongly presumed him to be an "a-hole killer"???

TreasurecoastPhinsfan Wrote:
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> What if that innocent life you are so anxious to
> protect turns out to be the guy you just executed
> because you wrongly presumed him to be an "a-hole
> killer"???
>
> DUH , he gave him TRUTH serum bro.


hahaha...

Can't imagine he'd believe any info that came about as a result of using something with my name on it....

I agree with the death penalty, but dont believe it is a deterrent for crime.... People that commit murder either think they are going to get away with it, or are not in a rational state of mind when they commit the act. So they are not making rational mental decision like, I should not do that because they might kill me for it...
People that murder, are not rational IMO... Therefore expecting a rational judgement from them in a time of such a horrendous act doesnt make sense...
However I think an eye for an eye tooth for a tooth, should not be discredited if the victims family feel strongly about that type of justice... If someone killed a family member of mine I couldnt say I wouldnt want to see equal justice.....

I also agree that we need to be 1000 percent certain in order for the state to kill someone.... One innocent percent executed by the state is too many obviously... That doesnt mean I think we should throw out the death penalty, I just think it should be precise, and no question before it is carried out... I think we try and do that, but the nature of mankind is that we will make mistakes.... Tough issue... The problems is so many people that deserve this type of justice, plead it out for life in order... That is kind of messed up as well, people that really deserve it, are able to avoid it by pleading guilty without a trial...

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Chyren, how many people on death row have been wrongly convicted, totally innocent? studies have shown, a lot. even one is too many but the numbers are dozens and dozens. that is the argument against the death penalty. I have no problem with the death penalty if I had confidence that the person who was convicted of doing it really did it. but yet people go thru a criminal trial then 2 stages of habeas proceedings upholding a death sentence who were actually innocent of the crime charged.

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The beatings will continue until morale improves.

Truth vs Chyren...............oh no, it's happening again!

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> Truth vs Chyren...............oh no, it's
> happening again!


Sitting here at work .....I gots the popcorn with extra butter ready....I aint missing this movie for nothing.