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Money and Sports
Posted by: captkoi ()
Date: March 27, 2013 12:47PM

Brian Urlacher considered it a "slap in the face" when the Bears offered him a one year contract at $2M.

Hey, slap the hell out of me for that kind of money.

Our sports figures and the entertainment industry have lost contact with the real world. Do these folks read the paper....watch the news....be aware of their surroundings?

Our government can't get their act together, thus the U.S. is now in a sequester. Our military is being cut back (funds, etc). More people are once again being laid off. Schools are hurting. Fire Dept, Police Dept....all hurting! (Of course our government officials are doing just fine, thank you).

Sorry, these guys just don't get it.

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Re: Money and Sports
Posted by: Crowder52 ()
Date: March 27, 2013 01:13PM

What is really messed up about Urlacher IMO, is that he got a huge contract, and was injured with a lot of lackluster play when he did make it on the field.. IMO, he kind of owes Chicago for the last huge contract that his play didnt come close to equating to the dollars he made...So for him to complain they insulted him, is a bit ridiculous, he should be apologizing to them for stealing their money the last 5 years...

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All things are subject to interpretation whichever interpretation prevails at a given time is a function of power and not truth.
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Re: Money and Sports
Posted by: THE Truth ()
Date: March 27, 2013 01:16PM

Crowder52 Wrote:
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> What is really messed up about Urlacher IMO, is
> that he got a huge contract, and was injured with
> a lot of lackluster play when he did make it on
> the field.. IMO, he kind of owes Chicago for the
> last huge contract that his play didnt come close
> to equating to the dollars he made...So for him to
> complain they insulted him, is a bit ridiculous,
> he should be apologizing to them for stealing
> their money the last 5 years...


Exactly

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Re: Money and Sports
Posted by: eesti ()
Date: March 27, 2013 01:18PM

same could be said of Jake Long

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“I'm here" You're welcome!" - Kenny Powers

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Re: Money and Sports
Posted by: Crowder52 ()
Date: March 27, 2013 01:58PM

eesti Wrote:
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> same could be said of Jake Long


In the last 4 years Jake missed 6 games, which include the last 4 games of this season... Urlacher missed 19 games in the last 4 years... Not really a fair comparison IMO...

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Re: Money and Sports
Posted by: eesti ()
Date: March 27, 2013 02:00PM


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Re: Money and Sports
Posted by: Crowder52 ()
Date: March 27, 2013 02:24PM

Jake didnt play like crap over his last 30 games, he might have had some bad plays but it was hardly crap over 30 games... If you think Urlacher and Long are an equal comparison, to each their own, I am not here to change your interpretation... I just think it is foolish... SOmebody paid Jake around 9 a year on a multiyear deal after extensive MRI's on every joint in his body... You think somebody is going to offer Urlacher anywhere near that? I am a bit lost, on the comparison on multiple levels... Doesnt make sense other then you know I was a fan of Jake and want to make some lackluster correlation between the 2...enjoy I guess

I am extremely surprised that anyone on this site would have the interpretation that Jake Long, stole money from the Dolphins during his contract...

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All things are subject to interpretation whichever interpretation prevails at a given time is a function of power and not truth.
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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 03/27/2013 02:35PM by Crowder52.

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Re: Money and Sports
Posted by: eesti ()
Date: March 27, 2013 02:46PM

I have no idea of your feelings toward Jake Long.

It's a different situation but same principle. Jake got a big money offer because he is 27. Urlacher is 34.

Jake was the highest paid offensive lineman and played like it for about 3 years. No way you can argue that he played well over last two years. He started out ok in 2011 but by the end of the year he was mediocre and ranked somewhere around 34th in the league. Same for 2012 but with a lower ranking. That's hardly earning the 12 mil a year he was getting paid.

If the statement can be made that Urlacher didn't earn his money when on the field, the same is true for Long.

So it wasn't 30 games because he couldn't stay on the field for 6 games over two years....it was more like 25-28 games that he was average.

if you think jake was still elite over the last two seasons then you ignoring reality.

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“I'm here" You're welcome!" - Kenny Powers



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 03/27/2013 02:47PM by eesti.

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Re: Money and Sports
Posted by: ChyrenB ()
Date: March 30, 2013 07:55PM


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Re: Money and Sports
Posted by: Northeast Fin Fan ()
Date: March 31, 2013 02:52AM

I don't think Jake stole money, but I think he was grossly overpaid. That said, it wasn't his fault. Number 1 overall picks were overpaid for years. Having the #1 pick was more of a punishment than anything else. Jake's play the last two years was not great. Not terrible; but not great.

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Re: Money and Sports
Posted by: THE Truth ()
Date: March 31, 2013 03:40AM

I don't think that any NFL player is overpaid. Its an open market and they get what the market is willing to pay.

Its easy to compare them to other walks of life and say they get too much for playing a game but the fact is that their work generates over $9Billion in revenues a year and they deserve the fruits of their labors.

If I designed a widget that nobody else had thought of before and every person in the world needed, wouldn't I be entitled to whatever people were willing to pay to purchase it? Of course I would.

The problem with Urlacher is he's forgotten that toady's NFL is all about business. The Bears made him an offer based on their finances and their assessment of his remaining talent. He quite foolishly felt that his sentimental value to the Bears was worth something more than that. He should have known that wasn't the case. At the very least he should have acted like a professional and not a jilted lover.

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Re: Money and Sports
Posted by: BigNastyFish ()
Date: March 31, 2013 06:33AM

Most of these NFL vaginal footballers have been pandered to and coddled for years and treated like their shit doesn't stink so...

How can we possibly be surprised by their titanic self-obsessed EGO and need for constant praise and adulation -- including millions and millions while the masses sink further and further into the muck?

It's just a symptom of the greater disease this culture is all about -- if you dare call this crap a "culture!"

Ego driven money grubbing narcissistic self-obsession with a side of megalomania.

It's a volatile cocktail...

BNF.



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Re: Money and Sports
Posted by: BigNastyFish ()
Date: March 31, 2013 06:38AM

Feast or famine baby.

Dog eat dog.

Rat race.

Concrete jungle.

Kill or be killed.

Greed is good

Fock the poor. That's the life they've CHOSEN!

Of so forth. You know the story...

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Re: Money and Sports
Posted by: berkeley223 ()
Date: March 31, 2013 08:21AM

preach brother BNF!

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Re: Money and Sports
Posted by: Northeast Fin Fan ()
Date: March 31, 2013 02:39PM

Jake was overpaid in that what he received was beyond what other LTs at his level of performance were getting paid.... and he received that because he was the number 1 overall pick.

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Re: Money and Sports
Posted by: captkoi ()
Date: April 04, 2013 01:11PM

ChyrenB Wrote:
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> captkoi Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Brian Urlacher considered it a "slap in the
> face"
> > when the Bears offered him a one year contract
> at
> > $2M.
> >
> > Hey, slap the hell out of me for that kind of
> > money.
> >
> > Our sports figures and the entertainment
> industry
> > have lost contact with the real world. Do
> these
> > folks read the paper....watch the news....be
> aware
> > of their surroundings?
> >
> > Our government can't get their act together,
> thus
> > the U.S. is now in a sequester. Our military
> is
> > being cut back (funds, etc). More people are
> once
> > again being laid off. Schools are hurting.
> Fire
> > Dept, Police Dept....all hurting! (Of course
> our
> > government officials are doing just fine, thank
> > you).
> >
> > Sorry, these guys just don't get it.
>
>
> I feel you Cap but not all the way.
>
> One thing you have to consider is the market.
>
> Now let me say out front that I am not here to
> argue that Urlacher is or is not worth that much
> in comparison to how good he is.
>
> I'm just addressing the fantastic amount of money
> that salaries now approach but also would like to
> give you a little story.
>
> First keep in mind that I remember how astounding
> it was to the nation when it was announced that
> Mickey Mantle's contract was for the (at that
> time) historic amount of $100,000 a year.
>
> But this is my little story.
>
> The State Attorney General's office was on
> Wilshire in the 70's and 80's. Across the street
> from our office was a coffee shop. My best buddy
> and I went there often. On one occasion, my buddy
> and I were complaining that we were the Attorneys
> for the State of California, yet we were paid
> lower that the LA District Attorneys, the LA
> County Counsels (the civil counterpart) and the LA
> City Attorneys. So we got paid less for death
> penalty cases than a criminal deputy City Attorney
> got paid for prosecuting a drunk for peeing on the
> sidewalk.
>
> I'll bring it around to football.
>
> One day a waitress overheard us and asked how much
> we were paid, when we told her "$29,000 a year"
> she went ballistic. "I wish I were paid that kind
> of money and you guys are complaining???"
>
> After we left, I told my buddy that I should have
> said, "You mean to tell me you have a Bachelor's
> Degree AND a Doctorate degree (which is what a law
> degree is) AND that you passed a licensing
> examination in which half the people are flunked
> yet the people who run this coffee shop don't pay
> you at least $29,000 a year to wait tables?"
>
> The guy I was with is my dearest friend whose son
> is my Godchild and who sadly suffered a
> dehabilitating stroke but he was always the
> tempering to my flaming personality. He smiled
> and said, "I'm just glad you didn't say that."
>
> The lesson is that when you criticize a man's
> salary, you can't look at it in terms of what you
> would accept unless you are in the same situation.

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I get what you are saying, Chryen, and I understand the market. What I am saying tho, is that salaries in sports has gotten way out of hand. Romo signing for $108M? Kolb making millions AS A BACKUP? Wow.

Yes, I have a problem with the exorbitant salaries, but can't stand all the whining from these guys because they can't get what "they" think they are worth, and are already making millions....PER YEAR!

How many people are presently out of work (except for our government, of course)? Aren't teachers one of the most important jobs in the world? They are the ones who are teaching are young people how to be adults and make this world a better place. Military, police, fire....they all put their lives on the line, everyday!

What does a retired government official make in retirement benefits (even if they only serve one term)? Triple figures! Know what the average military retiree makes....average $25K per year, and I am being generous.

That is my main issue. I don't want to hear from these millionaires that they aren't making enough and it's a slap in the face to be offered ONLY $2M for one year's worth of work.

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Re: Money and Sports
Posted by: captkoi ()
Date: April 04, 2013 01:14PM

THE Truth Wrote:
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> I don't think that any NFL player is overpaid.
> Its an open market and they get what the market is
> willing to pay.
>
> Its easy to compare them to other walks of life
> and say they get too much for playing a game but
> the fact is that their work generates over
> $9Billion in revenues a year and they deserve the
> fruits of their labors.
>
> If I designed a widget that nobody else had
> thought of before and every person in the world
> needed, wouldn't I be entitled to whatever people
> were willing to pay to purchase it? Of course I
> would.
>
> The problem with Urlacher is he's forgotten that
> toady's NFL is all about business. The Bears made
> him an offer based on their finances and their
> assessment of his remaining talent. He quite
> foolishly felt that his sentimental value to the
> Bears was worth something more than that. He
> should have known that wasn't the case. At the
> very least he should have acted like a
> professional and not a jilted lover.

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I can only disagree with your first sentence, Truth. I've said my piece. Now on to bigger things.drinking smiley

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