Take your pick of former Dolphins and current FA WR's....

Ginn Jr.
Derek Hagan
Greg Camarillo
Roberto Wallace
Legadu Naanee
Jabar Gaffney
Wes Welker
Brian Hartline
Chad Johnson


Two good ones out of the whole bunch. Welker and Hartline

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Lets sign Legadu Naanee to clean the dolphin practice facilitie gutters.

I would love Welker but their know way the evil one parts ways with Mr Welker. I thought he was the best player on our roster back in 07, and people on this board laughed at me who's laughing now?

That's what everyone said about Lawyer Milloy after making the pro Bowl in 2002....and bloop...he's in Buffalo.

NE already tried to phase Welker out at the beginning of the season... Didn't work out too well for them but I would not be shocked if they don't re-sign him.

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Finshady Wrote:
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> I would love Welker but their know way the evil
> one parts ways with Mr Welker. I thought he was
> the best player on our roster back in 07, and
> people on this board laughed at me who's laughing
> now?


Certainly not me I was right there with you saying the same thing back then and when we, shall we say, "lost" (for want of a better word not to infuriate BNF and others who say he was just "jacked" from us by New England) him, I was inconsolable.

And there are probably people STILL on this board who will say that his lost was "no big deal" to us.

Funny how welker turned into a pro bowler when he went to the pats....

I think if welker stayed here, he would not have amount to nothing because
we had players like feely or culpepper including a bunch of other scrubs as QBs of this team.

Do you see all the great receivers new england has they even have a couple of All world Tends........We have none.

Maybe Brady makes them look better than what they are.

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Dan marino entire stay here with the phins, we always had great offenses....Every single year........Any receivers you put in there did the job. Y? Because we had a future hall of fame qb.

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I know players such as oronde gadsgen....had great hands....I give him that....i loved oronde gadsgen......

but he was slow as a turtle....IMO Dan made him look better than what he was because he threw strikes....Yes he threw a couple of high passes that oronde caught............great.....

How good do you think oronde gadgen would had been with some of the qbs weve had recently?

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samsam3738 Wrote:
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> Funny how welker turned into a pro bowler when he
> went to the pats....
>
> I think if welker stayed here, he would not have
> amount to nothing because
> we had players like feely or culpepper including a
> bunch of other scrubs as QBs of this team.


I disagree because we didn't have to wait to "see if he amounted to" something or nothing because he actually did the same thing for us that he is now doing for Brady.

Whenever we needed a clutch reception to keep a drive going, he was right there and caught the ball.

That's why myself and Finshady too were so upset when we heard that he was no longer going to be on the team.

I agree sam sam. We had WRs who would have looked like scrubs with our post-Marino QBs who looked very good with Marino. O Gadsden is one. Irving Fryer was considered a bust with the Pats when he had Grogan and Tony Eason throwing too him and looked like an All Pro once he joined up with Marino (kind of Wes Welker in reverse)

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Chren welker was a way better receiver with the pats. Not even close. Not saying he was bad with us.

He got to the next level when he went to the pats.

Did he go to the pro bowl when he was with the phins? Did he catch over 100 passes a season with the phins? Was he considered one of the best if not the best slot receiver in the nfl when he was with the phins?

He accomplished all of this tasks with the pats. You already know the reason.

Now that i look back i wish we would had kept him. But then i realize he wouldn't had made a difference because we had qbs like feely throwing the football.

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It worked out for him in NE. It would had been different here.

ChyrenB Wrote:
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> samsam3738 Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Funny how welker turned into a pro bowler when
> he
> > went to the pats....
> >
> > I think if welker stayed here, he would not
> have
> > amount to nothing because
> > we had players like feely or culpepper including
> a
> > bunch of other scrubs as QBs of this team.
>
>
> I disagree because we didn't have to wait to "see
> if he amounted to" something or nothing because he
> actually did the same thing for us that he is now
> doing for Brady.
>
> WheneveWr we needed a clutch reception to keep a
> drive going, he was right there and caught the
> ball.
>
> That's why myself and Finshady too were so upset
> when we heard that he was no longer going to be on
> the team.

Wes Welker had 90+ catches, 1200+ yrds and 1 TD............IN 3 SEASONS with Miami, let's not use revisionist history here fellas, hardly the earth shattering all world player some of you guys want to remember.

i was a big welker fan but be realistic, that pass happy spread offense is why he catches 100 passes a year.

in any other offense he's a good slot wr catching 75-80 balls a year.

that offense made matt cassel look good.

samsam3738 Wrote:
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>
> I know players such as oronde gadsgen....had great
> hands....I give him that....i loved oronde
> gadsgen......
>
> but he was slow as a turtle....IMO Dan made him
> look better than what he was because he threw
> strikes....Yes he threw a couple of high passes
> that oronde caught............great.....
>
> How good do you think oronde gadgen would had been
> with some of the qbs weve had recently?
>
He looked good with Fiedler throwing to him as well!

I'm not trying to overstate his importance. But a clutch receiver is a clutch receiver. And you can't measure him by yardage and TDs alone.

I haven't looked and who knows whether his figures with New England really blow off the charts but I bet one thing.....If the saga of each Patriot important play-off game is like a novel, there at the crucial point in each one of the stories will be Wes Welker.


But that's just how I remember him with us, whether he was thrown to be sucky quarterbacks or not.

You don't have to be a football expert to know a "clutch" guy when you see one.

Wes Welker was "clutch" for us, regardless of his stats, and he became a "clutch" guy for the Patriots. The closest thing we have to it now is Hartline.

You can't just look at statistics. Maybe some of you young whippersnappers are too young to remember but he, for me, represented the re-birth and re-incarnation of Howard Twilley. And that's not revisionist history, just history.

Welker was on our team for 3 years. He started 3 games in 3 years. He had 1 receiving TD in 3 years. In his last year, he had 67 catches, and averaged just 10.3 yards per catch. He became a restricted free agent, and we put a second round tender on him. Sorry to all those who lament the loss of Welker, but that was the right thing to do. To that point, he had shown absolutely no indication of being worthy of a first round tender. You could argue that a second round tender was too high to put on a guy who averaged 10 yards per catch and scored 1 TD. But, you can't argue it wasn't enough.

New England offered him a 5 year deal worth $18M. But, the deal included clauses that he if he started more than 4 games in a year in the state of Florida, the contract total value would jump to $36M. 5 years, $36M for Wes Welker at the time was a ridiculous amount of money, and there was no way Miami could match that offer. And no way any team would match that offer. But, the NFL frowned on those types of "poison pill" deals, and made the Patriots include a 7th round pick in their compensation to us. The second round tender meant that all the Pats had to give us was a 2nd. But, they had to give the extra pick because of how they handled the contract.

No one in Miami did anything wrong about this. It's just the way it worked out. And Welker goes to New England, and has Randy Moss on the outside, and Donte Stallworth/Jabar Gaffney on the other side. He got to work in the slot, where, at the time, he was often matched up with LBs (much like Davone Bess does for us). It was a perfect situation. He had Moss to take the attention of the defense, and a super accurate HOF QB. And it all came together, and he's turned it into a great career.

I live in New England, so am stuck hearing about the Pats all the time. What happened this summer/fall? Wes Welker was being phased out of the Pats offense, because his salary got too big. He made $2.5M in 2011, and that shot up to over $9M this year. And Belichick decided it was time to move on. After all, if you stick any quick slot WR with good hands in that offense, and that guy is going to catch 70 passes. Then, they had injuries immediately, and Welker was back as a focal point in the offense. But, let's see how New England handles contract negotiations with him this offseason.

There's a reason why slot WRs don't get big money. Davone Bess' $3M salary is huge for slot WRs. They get a lot of their production working against LBs in zone coverage. Yes, including Bess. Bess started as the Z WR this year, but he still got most of his production from the slot when we went to 3 WR sets. Bess was targeted 9 yards or less downfield 59 times, compared to just 37 targets at 10 yards or beyond. And of those 59, 37 of those were in the middle of the field. Slot guys are considered somewhat interchangeable because they are often just finding soft spots in zones, rather than beating starting corners in man coverage. So, paying a guy like Welker $6M a year back in 2007 would have been pure insanity. And it's why Miami was forced to lose him. But, it wasn't because of any poor decision on the team's part.

dolfanmark Wrote:
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> Welker was on our team for 3 years. He started 3
> games in 3 years. He had 1 receiving TD in 3
> years. In his last year, he had 67 catches, and
> averaged just 10.3 yards per catch. He became a
> restricted free agent, and we put a second round
> tender on him. Sorry to all those who lament the
> loss of Welker, but that was the right thing to
> do. To that point, he had shown absolutely no
> indication of being worthy of a first round
> tender. You could argue that a second round tender
> was too high to put on a guy who averaged 10 yards
> per catch and scored 1 TD. But, you can't argue it
> wasn't enough.
>
> New England offered him a 5 year deal worth $18M.
> But, the deal included clauses that he if he
> started more than 4 games in a year in the state
> of Florida, the contract total value would jump to
> $36M. 5 years, $36M for Wes Welker at the time was
> a ridiculous amount of money, and there was no way
> Miami could match that offer. And no way any team
> would match that offer. But, the NFL frowned on
> those types of "poison pill" deals, and made the
> Patriots include a 7th round pick in their
> compensation to us. The second round tender meant
> that all the Pats had to give us was a 2nd. But,
> they had to give the extra pick because of how
> they handled the contract.
>
> No one in Miami did anything wrong about this.
> It's just the way it worked out. And Welker goes
> to New England, and has Randy Moss on the outside,
> and Donte Stallworth/Jabar Gaffney on the other
> side. He got to work in the slot, where, at the
> time, he was often matched up with LBs (much like
> Davone Bess does for us). It was a perfect
> situation. He had Moss to take the attention of
> the defense, and a super accurate HOF QB. And it
> all came together, and he's turned it into a great
> career.
>
> I live in New England, so am stuck hearing about
> the Pats all the time. What happened this
> summer/fall? Wes Welker was being phased out of
> the Pats offense, because his salary got too big.
> He made $2.5M in 2011, and that shot up to over
> $9M this year. And Belichick decided it was time
> to move on. After all, if you stick any quick
> slot WR with good hands in that offense, and that
> guy is going to catch 70 passes. Then, they had
> injuries immediately, and Welker was back as a
> focal point in the offense. But, let's see how New
> England handles contract negotiations with him
> this offseason.
>
> There's a reason why slot WRs don't get big money.
> Davone Bess' $3M salary is huge for slot WRs. They
> get a lot of their production working against LBs
> in zone coverage. Yes, including Bess. Bess
> started as the Z WR this year, but he still got
> most of his production from the slot when we went
> to 3 WR sets. Bess was targeted 9 yards or less
> downfield 59 times, compared to just 37 targets at
> 10 yards or beyond. And of those 59, 37 of those
> were in the middle of the field. Slot guys are
> considered somewhat interchangeable because they
> are often just finding soft spots in zones, rather
> than beating starting corners in man coverage. So,
> paying a guy like Welker $6M a year back in 2007
> would have been pure insanity. And it's why Miami
> was forced to lose him. But, it wasn't because of
> any poor decision on the team's part.

Cap, I think it can be argued that the front office blew it by not tagging him with a 1st round tender which I think was only 3-500k more than the 2nd round tender we gave him. By not doing that it makes it seem like we really didn't want him back.

Welker contributed for us as a returner on st in addition to his wr play and he was improving as a wr each year. I think we should have tagged him at a first, but frankly I think we wanted him to sign elsewhere so we could get the 2d rounder (no one would've given up the first). Didn't we get Samson satelle for that 2d? Awesome!!

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It's about identifying talent. Belichick saw what Welker was capable of.

Wasn't it Saban that failed to see it? If Welker was only worth a 2nd round tender than why was Belichick willing to throw in another pick and avoid the poiston pill to get him? Because he saw the intangibles and knew he was worth more.

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I just want to add something....


I wish philbin hit on tannehill the same way belichick hit on brady.


So many players we have will do much better.

Brady won the SB in his first season. There is absolutely no comparison except maybe the wife hotness factor.

eesti Wrote:
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> It's about identifying talent. Belichick saw what
> Welker was capable of.
>
> Wasn't it Saban that failed to see it? If Welker
> was only worth a 2nd round tender than why was
> Belichick willing to throw in another pick and
> avoid the poiston pill to get him? Because he saw
> the intangibles and knew he was worth more.


Actually it was Saban on his way out the door who told his pal Belechick to grab Welker that he was his best player here.

I hate satan.

Hooligan2 Wrote:
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> Brady won the SB in his first season. There is
> absolutely no comparison except maybe the wife
> hotness factor.


No...he did not.

Tom Brady rode the bench his first season. He completed 1 of 3 pass for 6 yards no TD's or Int's as a rookie.

He didn't start until the 3rd game of his SECOND season.

In no way am I suggesting Tannehill will or will not have a career like Brady (its impossible to know, even is statistically improbable)...but if you are going to compare APPLES to APPLES by comparing their rookie seasons then Tannehill was infinately better than Brady.

We'll see if he can manage to keep up with his career the rest of the way, but its highly unlikely.



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I meant first season as a starter. Still, quite a splash.

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(just want to join in the fun)

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berk you are all wrong

it was supposed to be:

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you jumped from ... to ..... man,what is wrong with you.