Rumor has the Giants won't resign Nicks & Cruz, and they prefer Nicks

I would take him over the 3 big FA's

LOL, the Giants prefer the oft injured Nicks over the younger, more productive Cruz.........Righttttttttttttt

Cruz is a restricted FA. Nicks is already under contract for next year.

They can keep Cruz for another year without having to pay him much.

A $2.88M tender would cost us our 1st round pick to sign him.

A $2.02M tender costs us a 2nd.

Thanks, but no thanks. I'm not paying a WR $8-10m AND giving up a 1st/2nd round pick for him, although I'm sure the Giants would let him walk for our #1.

If you want Cruz you'll have to wait until next year and hope he hits the open market.

dolphaholic Wrote:
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> LOL, the Giants prefer the oft injured Nicks over
> the younger, more productive
> Cruz.........Righttttttttttttt


Actually, that's the buzz here in NY from the guys that cover the Giants.

They think they can only sign one long term and they prefer Nicks.

Cruz for a second rounder is very tempting!

His salsa dancing would be popular with the fans!

But I'm willing to hold onto that pick and wait one more year for him.

THE Truth Wrote:
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> dolphaholic Wrote:
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> > LOL, the Giants prefer the oft injured Nicks
> over
> > the younger, more productive
> > Cruz.........Righttttttttttttt
>
>
> Actually, that's the buzz here in NY from the guys
> that cover the Giants.
>
> They think they can only sign one long term and
> they prefer Nicks.


They may be the buzz, but i'll believe it when I see it

I dont see us trading any picks for other players now.

If we are going to be the youngest team in the league....then i expect this team to stay put and keep all their draft picks..

that we trade in the draft to move up or down or whatever...maybe..

But im sick of trading draft picks for other teams players....

look at the roster..

qbs...are real young.

rbs..when they let bush go we would be real young.

receivers...bess is the oldest and hes only been in the league 5 years.

TEnds...fasano is going to be let go probably after that the oldest one is been only 3 years in the league.

OL is real young.

Dends young

DTs if they let go of randy starks whos been in the league 9 years...then we are young there too.

LBs...Burnet and darnsbi are the oldest after that we are real young..

corners and safties young as well.

And we are getting younger next year...

Yup youngest team in the league.


They better bring in some talented rookies that can develop...

Im tired of this rebuilding thing.

And we are not getting any younger waiting for this team to get at least to the second round of the playoffs at least..

Last time we got to the second round of the playoffs fiedler was the QB.

Victor Cruz ran 70% of his routes from the slot WR position. We need a Split End (X) WR more than anything else, with Hartline moving back to Flanker (Z). Can Cruz carry that load? I don't know, because he hasn't been asked to fill that role so far.

Hartline & Bess need to go. 1 TD between them? Can't get in the zone, don't help much


We need both slot and split speed & production

Matthews and Binns may see more time

I don't think they put a first, maybe a second. Would you take a vet over an unproven 2nd round WR?

Will he bring his "hot" mother with him? The one in the television ads dressed up in the mascot suit?

-------------Signed The Geriatric Ward

hahahahaha

jlyell13 Wrote:
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> Rumor has the Giants won't resign Nicks & Cruz,
> and they prefer Nicks
>
> I would take him over the 3 big FA's

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That's the word, but with the cuts the Giants have already made and will probably make (more), they will resign both. They aren't going to let Cruz get away.

jlyell13 Wrote:
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> Hartline & Bess need to go. 1 TD between them?
> Can't get in the zone, don't help much
>
>
> We need both slot and split speed & production
>
> Matthews and Binns may see more time
>
> I don't think they put a first, maybe a second.
> Would you take a vet over an unproven 2nd round
> WR?

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I wouldn't let BOTH of them go. Hartline is more productive (although only one TD this past season).

I still say the WRs on our roster, at the present time, will be more productive with a speed guy that can open up the defenses. Get that guy and Hartline's TD numbers will improve, but his receptions and yards will probably drop (somewhat).

HArtline has been getting a lot of grief for only scoring 1 TD and maybe rightfully so but Andre Johnson only had 4 this year...as did Brandon Lloyd, Anquan Boldin, Jeremy Maclin, Larry Fitzgerald, Steve Smith.

Dwayne Bowe only had 3 as did Hakim Nicks althogh I think he was injured.

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As I recall there were very few deep balls thrown to Harline this past season. Except for the home run in the Arizona game most of the rest were overthrown or underthrown. Connect on a couple of those and we wouldn't be criticizing his lack of production. You could argue that he's not fast enough to get under the overthrown passes but, the underthrown ones are more on the QB. Give him and Tannehill more time to gel and the production will improve. If we replace him with a new guy we will likely be having this conversation again next off-season.

Hooligan2 Wrote:
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> As I recall there were very few deep balls thrown
> to Harline this past season. Except for the home
> run in the Arizona game most of the rest were
> overthrown or underthrown. Connect on a couple of
> those and we wouldn't be criticizing his lack of
> production. You could argue that he's not fast
> enough to get under the overthrown passes but, the
> underthrown ones are more on the QB. Give him and
> Tannehill more time to gel and the production will
> improve. If we replace him with a new guy we will
> likely be having this conversation again next
> off-season.

Hartline had the 10th most receptions in the NFL on deep balls (targets more than 20 yards downfield). He was 13th in total deep ball targets. And he was 6th in completion percentage on deep targets, trailing only Demaryius Thomas, Steve Smith, Dez Bryant, Reggie Wayne, and Calvin Johnson.

Last I checked if you don't score you don't win. Hartline is probably a 3 at best. our redzone efficiency didn't seem to improve much over the Henne days. This year will tell for Tannehill

You just never know in the NFL. As we all know some WR's take 3 or 4 years to learn the nuances of playing the position. Hartline stepped up in his 4th season by leaps and bounds all while playing with a rookie QB, in a new offense and absolutely no other weapons in the passing game. Thus coverage was probably always rolled his direction.

He could build on this momentum and continue to be a thousand yard receiver or he could turn into a possession receiver like OJ McDuffie. He was a favorite in Miami and had exactly ONE 1k season which happened in his 6th year with a HOF QB in a pass first offense.

Roddy White averaged less than 500 yards per year over his first two years and then turned in 6 consecutive 1k seasons.

Saying Hartline is a 3rd WR at best is nonsense. He is a true #2...and probably a very good #2 at that. Of the 19 WR's to have a thousand yards last year, Only Denver, New Orleans and Atlanta had (2) thousand yard receivers.

10 TD's is considered a great season for a WR. Only 10 WR's in the entire league scored in double digits last year. All 10 had Pro Bowl QB's.

It could be that Hartline has found the right offense for him. It's probably not a good idea to let him walk when we already have to find 3 more like him.

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eesti Wrote:
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> You just never know in the NFL. As we all know
> some WR's take 3 or 4 years to learn the nuances
> of playing the position. Hartline stepped up in
> his 4th season by leaps and bounds all while
> playing with a rookie QB, in a new offense and
> absolutely no other weapons in the passing game.
> Thus coverage was probably always rolled his
> direction.
>
> He could build on this momentum and continue to be
> a thousand yard receiver or he could turn into a
> possession receiver like OJ McDuffie. He was a
> favorite in Miami and had exactly ONE 1k season
> which happened in his 6th year with a HOF QB in a
> pass first offense.
>
> Roddy White averaged less than 500 yards per year
> over his first two years and then turned in 6
> consecutive 1k seasons.
>
> Saying Hartline is a 3rd WR at best is nonsense.
> He is a true #2...and probably a very good #2 at
> that. Of the 19 WR's to have a thousand yards last
> year, Only Denver, New Orleans and Atlanta had (2)
> thousand yard receivers.
>
> 10 TD's is considered a great season for a WR.
> Only 10 WR's in the entire league scored in double
> digits last year. All 10 had Pro Bowl QB's.
>
> It could be that Hartline has found the right
> offense for him. It's probably not a good idea to
> let him walk when we already have to find 3 more
> like him.

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I agree that Hartline is a good #2 WR, but whether that will be his role in Miami would depend on the offseason. Miami nabs one of the top 3 FA WRs, Hartline is now the #2. If Miami either grabs one of the other FA WRs or drafts one who really shows something and has speed, then he is a #3.

I think Miami should resign Hartline, but at the right price. When you have agents making these deals, the player doesn't always get what he wants.

Eesti is right. Hartline is a very good #2. That said, his skills don't make him a great red zone threat. He's not real physical, and he does not get much separation on the short quick routes. Throw in that with our current weapons, he draws extra attention in the red zone, and it's going to be difficult for him until he gets a different supporting cast. If Hartline did what he did this year in our offense, in a new scheme for him, with a rookie QB, with no other real threats, imagine what he would do in the Pats' system.