It's nothing more than another one of Amanda's gossip columns.

'a source told me dawn didn't like jeff and another source told me jeff wanted her fired and yet another source told me once dawn found out she called jeff a ginger kid and poked him in the eye'

If this article is true, we need to can Philbin and Aponte ASAP. This team will never amount to anything with this kind of in fighting and internal politicking in house. Clean house 2014!

I'm sure it has some elements of truth (small T) to it, but I viewed it as a smear campaign myself.

toko34 Wrote:
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> If this article is true, we need to can Philbin
> and Aponte ASAP. This team will never amount to
> anything with this kind of in fighting and
> internal politicking in house. Clean house 2014!

I agree completely.

That's why its so disturbing, if it's true.

What a mess, I hate these corporate type of personalities that play these BS games.... You cant be a strong organization, when these power play games are all that the employees are focused on... Again this is on Ross for creating and or allowing this type of crap to go on in his organization. This only happens if the top guy allows it to happen... We are so f*cked with this owner... It starts at the top...

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It sounds like an episode of the Survivor series.
This whole soap opera could take several more years to sort out. Hopefully Ross has advisors from outside the ranks of the Keystone Kops.
IMHO Philbin has not earned another year though it's probably the decent thing to do. Let him hang himself if we finish with another mediocre season.

Typical back-stabbing power-grubbing that dominates the totally rotten institution called corporate America...

F**k them ALL!!!!!!!!!!!

IMO.

BNF.

And disgusted to the core.

Have a nice day.

God I hate power struggles. I see it where I work and you probably see it where you work. Its the reason I always passed up promotions and any testing that's required. Once you jump on that ladder there are 10 others trying to knock you down from it. I just have no stomach for the game or any B.S. I'm as straight shooter as it gets. And at the very top its even worse. You get it from every angle. Some can handle the game , some are great at it , but the ones that are , are usually the most lonely people I've ever met. Can't trust anyone or they alienate everyone getting there.

F That. I like being out of sight and out of mind. Sitting at the back of the class. Quiet , I never try to start trouble, don't ask stupid questions.

GO DOLPHINS!!!!

Crowder52 Wrote:
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> What a mess, I hate these corporate type of
> personalities that play these BS games.... You
> cant be a strong organization, when these power
> play games are all that the employees are focused
> on... Again this is on Ross for creating and or
> allowing this type of crap to go on in his
> organization. This only happens if the top guy
> allows it to happen... We are so f*cked with this
> owner... It starts at the top...

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That's precisely why Ross needs that football guy in position to help him get through then stay out of these types of messes.

Hooligan2 Wrote:
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> It sounds like an episode of the Survivor series.
> This whole soap opera could take several more
> years to sort out. Hopefully Ross has advisors
> from outside the ranks of the Keystone Kops.
> IMHO Philbin has not earned another year though
> it's probably the decent thing to do. Let him hang
> himself if we finish with another mediocre season.

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With the nonsense that is being reported, what potential GM in his right mind would want to go to Miami?

I wouldn't draw the hard conclusions that Salguero has been.

1) Whoever is talking to Salguero has an axe to grind and, therefore, an agenda. No insider (or former insider) sings to the media without a reason.

2) There's probably more to the story than has been reported. There almost always it.

3) Politics are a way of life in billion dollar businesses. Every organization has it.

4) Ross has a plan, and we should keep watching the movie before judging it. Two moves so far, few would question either one.

Because it is a good job...if you are the right person you will get carte blanche.

We have alot of cap room, will get more, once certain guys are not resigned, a lot of F/A players, so the GM will be able to immediately turn over alot of the roster to his liking. We have RT, young talented WR's, RB's, CB's, DE's, and S. We won't have to look at K, or P, and have solid TE's.

Fix the O-Line, add a LB, a pass rushing DT, a CB as competition, maybe a S, maybe a WR, and depth...call it a day in year #1.

Not a small feat by any stretch of the imagination but also quite doable.

I have been in and around big companies for much of my adult life, some of them have been filled with this type of corporate back stabbing and kissing ass in attempt to climb the ladder. Others not at all... The difference I have seen is the culture that the CEO or owner of the company allows to cultivate within the organization... A good CEO doesn't put up with that BS because he knows it is bad and separates the very people that need to be together in order to succeed.. A good CEO, lets it known that if one fails, we all fail. IF you don't help someone that needs help, it is not that person that is the failure it is you for not helping... You get more respect picking somebody up or helping somebody within an organization then any power struggle games.... If a good CEO sees some one basking in that type of corporate crap they are shown the door or the cold shoulder by being demoted from it, to a more suitable low level spot...

Organiztions start at the top, this crap went on because Ross allowed it to go on. And this absolutely does not happen at all organizations... That is BS apathy...THis type of stuff happens at dysfunctional organizations that are in decline... No company strengthens when this is going on... They can't, with so much divisiveness from a group that is suppose to be in it together... F ed up....

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All things are subject to interpretation whichever interpretation prevails at a given time is a function of power and not truth.
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Can't argue with that.

cshashaty Wrote:
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> I wouldn't draw the hard conclusions that Salguero
> has been.
>
> 1) Whoever is talking to Salguero has an axe to
> grind and, therefore, an agenda. No insider (or
> former insider) sings to the media without a
> reason.
>
> 2) There's probably more to the story than has
> been reported. There almost always it.
>
> 3) Politics are a way of life in billion dollar
> businesses. Every organization has it.
>
> 4) Ross has a plan, and we should keep watching
> the movie before judging it. Two moves so far, few
> would question either one.

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What kind of plan?

He is going to try to hire a GM with a HC that has power still in place? Also has Aponte there to do battle with also, and who, per reports, is good buddies with Philbin?

The only way I can see a "name" GM come in is if Ross has agreed that he can do whatever he thinks best after the 2014 season, which means firing Philbin if the season doesn't go well, or firing Philbin just because he wants his own guy.

A GM is going to want power.

Not much of a plan.

captkoi Wrote:
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> What kind of plan?
>
> He is going to try to hire a GM with a HC that has
> power still in place? Also has Aponte there to do
> battle with also, and who, per reports, is good
> buddies with Philbin?
>
> The only way I can see a "name" GM come in is if
> Ross has agreed that he can do whatever he thinks
> best after the 2014 season, which means firing
> Philbin if the season doesn't go well, or firing
> Philbin just because he wants his own guy.
>
> A GM is going to want power.
>

One would think!
> Not much of a plan.

I am not a bit surprised with all the infighting if true.

I believe Philbin is a follower so I would be inclined to believe the disturbing part of this thread. In regards to Philbin, the man has no fire, passion and where I might add is his discipline ? I repeat again, Philbin is a follower and not a leader,
that is my opinion !

There are Some on this board that seem to be of the mind to let Philbin have a pass and continue as the coach for another year. I beg of you, what has he done to deserve such consideration.

Can anyone honestly say that Philbin is deserving of anything other then disdain for what we have seen happen with him as the coach.

The truth shall always set you free

It doesn't matter. Philbin IS the HC for at least another year.

No fire? Did you see JP on the sideline in week 17.

A follower? I don't see that. Story now is that Philbin may have thrown Ireland out of his office this year.

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“I'm here" You're welcome!" - Kenny Powers

We shall See....


Good Day

eesti Wrote:
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> It doesn't matter. Philbin IS the HC for at least
> another year.
>
> No fire? Did you see JP on the sideline in week
> 17.
>
> A follower? I don't see that. Story now is that
> Philbin may have thrown Ireland out of his office
> this year.


If you consider that Philbin is extremely loyal to Sherman, its not much of a leap to think that Ireland and he clashed over the OC and his performance.

This is Ross fault.

He set up a hierarchy that allowed Philbin to report directly to him and gave him equal power to Ireland. That model never works.

Time to pick a GM, give him all the control and let him pick his coach...and tell Aponte to take the job in NYC.

I've said it for years and years on this site...the job of the coach is to focus on the day to day requirements of winning the next game.

The job of the GM is to consider both the long term, and short term implications of any given personnel move.

Its impossible for one guy to do both jobs, and the guy who is focused on the spot in front of his nose shouldn't be equal to, or able to overrule, the guy who is doing the long term planning.

Truth- I agree with the hierarchy being a problem.. Combine that with the fact Ross is pretty much an absentee owner... It created a power vacuum for who was in charge of what, and to where the accountability should fall... Ross does this as a hobby, there is no leader of this organization.... I think we need a football czar type of character to do Ross's job and oversee the heart of the organization... I see us creating this problem again if we go about it in the same way....

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THE Truth Wrote:
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> If you consider that Philbin is extremely loyal to
> Sherman, its not much of a leap to think that
> Ireland and he clashed over the OC and his
> performance.
>
> This is Ross fault.
>
> He set up a hierarchy that allowed Philbin to
> report directly to him and gave him equal power to
> Ireland. That model never works.
>
> Time to pick a GM, give him all the control and
> let him pick his coach...and tell Aponte to take
> the job in NYC.
>
> I've said it for years and years on this
> site...the job of the coach is to focus on the day
> to day requirements of winning the next game.
>
> The job of the GM is to consider both the long
> term, and short term implications of any given
> personnel move.
>
> Its impossible for one guy to do both jobs, and
> the guy who is focused on the spot in front of his
> nose shouldn't be equal to, or able to overrule,
> the guy who is doing the long term planning.


I agree 100%.

Absolutely...no coach/GM combinations. No one is sucessful doing both jobs for very long.

Each person needs a boss to keep things in order.

captkoi Wrote:
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> A GM is going to want power.
>
> Not much of a plan.


I agree with Ross here...I don't think it's necessary or wise to give one person total power, unless it is a very special person and circumstance.

What makes these GMs more capable of leading than a HC could? Why should their demands for total power be honored?

I like the "weak" model but they should answer to a football guy. Not a real easte guy or an accountant with NO hands-on football knowledge.

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“I'm here" You're welcome!" - Kenny Powers

eesti Wrote:
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> I like the "weak" model but they should answer to
> a football guy. Not a real easte guy or an
> accountant with NO hands-on football knowledge.

Then its not a "weak" gm model.

Its a strong GM model with the GM being the top guy and the guy with the GM title being the head of scouting.

Its the parcells model.


That can work, but its not better than the strong GM model and both are far better than the weak GM model with the coach or owner as the top dog.

eesti Wrote:
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> I like the "weak" model but they should answer to
> a football guy. Not a real easte guy or an
> accountant with NO hands-on football knowledge.

I don't know...if I was the owner I wouldnt want another layer between me and the two key people controlling the product on the field....unless it was someone I trusted implicitly.

cshashaty Wrote:
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> captkoi Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > A GM is going to want power.
> >
> > Not much of a plan.
>
>
> I agree with Ross here...I don't think it's
> necessary or wise to give one person total power,
> unless it is a very special person and
> circumstance.
>
> What makes these GMs more capable of leading than
> a HC could? Why should their demands for total
> power be honored?


I respectfully disagree with that notion Chris.

Your front office is not unlike the huddle or the coaching staff. There is always one person in charge. In the huddle, if your qb isn't the leader on the field then you are doomed.

With a coaching staff there are multiple layers of authority all reporting up to the guy with final authority who is intimately involved the processes he's making decisions about.

The front office needs to be the same way. You need a STRONG gm or czar type with extensive experience accessing talent.

Anything going less than that is a recipe for disaster, at least in my opinion.



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