Some degree of perspective would be prudent in this case…
First of all, since Manning hit the market no one from our org has said a thing about wanting him etc. So there’s no reason to believe he is the solution we’re targeting.
I have been in the Flynn camp for a while and I was very much against going after Manning. There are also a number of decent NFL minds who think Flynn is a better option for Philbin and the Miami Dolphins.
If Manning is looking for “his offense” to be installed and to act as the OC on the field, then maybe he’s not the right fit? In addition he’s OLD and coming off a career threatening neck injury – and no one knows for sure how sound he is to begin with.
The folks acting “desperate” are a number of Miami fans IMO.
and now he's going to visit houston. this is getting embarassing. the phins should show some dignity and say "thanks anyway and good luck with your nerve regeneration"
but I am sure they will call him and grovel, while he catches his flight to visit the texans
I made a post awhile back that signing Manning would be detrimental to a new coach, etc.. The media circus that has gone on over the past week is nuts. Not condusive to a first time head coach installing HIS philosophy on the organization.
> Mortenson just reported thatManning will meet with
> Philbin only and away from the facility.
> I have a feeling he is only doin this to save
Based on Ireland and Ross' track records for closing deals on guys they really want, and the universal praise given Philbin, this is probably a good thing for us.
At this point it really does look like the media in general has an hot poker up their ass about the Dolphins and are seemingly going out of there way to discredit the franchise. Granted we’ve done some of that on our own, but the constant BS about the supposed “insiders” knowing we’re losing out on our #1 guy (Manning) is a bit over the top.
IMO its ALL 100% unsubstantiated rumor at this point and the media idiots are tripping all over themselves regurgitating the SOS over and over – as if they have the Miami Dolphin offices bugged…
At a certain point it’s just a CIRCUS and at least Ross and Ireland & Philbin have stayed away from it. If Manning doesn’t want to play in Miami, for whatever reason, that by itself doesn’t PROVE the franchise is in a nuclear meltdown.
And at this point I’m more about SUPPORTING Philbin and giving the dude a legit shot at installing HIS PROGRAM and bringing in players that fit his spec. So if Manning isn’t the right guy it’s just purely coincidental all this crap started based on Manning landing in a plane in Miami.
THis is far from over, if he was so certain about Denver or Ariz, he wouldnt be meeting with anyone else... Manning and his agent are orchestrating this frenzy....
What does it say that Manning is meeting with Philbin rather then Ireland and Ross..... Ouch.........to me it says, i dont want to deal with the boss or the GM on this, and would rather talk to the newest guy in the franchises with the shortest tenure and least connection with the organization, ouch..... I hear Manning had Punter Brandon Fields, as the next guy on the list to meet if Philbin couldnt make it....lol.. Ireland and Ross were far down the line, with even the 12 year old ball boy ahead of them on the list of getting a meeting with Peyton...
Frankly these guys are full of shit IMO. Lots of backtracking and basically not predicating anything at this point other than Manning isn’t going to make a decision by 4PM Tuesday. Wow. Big news.
These guys are like circus clowns doing whatever they can for max attention and fanning the flames for their own vested interests. So you can discount every thing they say and write because it’s all 100% speculation at best and borderline BS hype at worst.
I mean just yesterday they said Manning is done meeting with teams and now there’s chatter all over the place about more and more teams. It won’t be long and it will be truly ridiculous. Definitely a feeding frenzy at the zoo!
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I actually think this is probably a good approach.. Neither Ireland nor Ross are the guy to reach Manning...
Philbin has the best reputation out of them of being a great guy and down to earth.. That is a reputation that neither Ireland nor Ross have attached to them, So sending Philbin in, a family man, who just lost his son a few months ago trajically, and relocated his family from the midwest to Miami.... Considered a brilliant offensive mind... Philbin is probably the right guy to send in, to connect and try and close the deal with Manning.... I agree with the choice, somebody is thinking... Elway, WHisenhut, connected with Manning, lets hope our Coach can do the same... Although I still think we are the favorites for some odd reason...
As I think about it, Philbin is very soft spoken like Manning's old coach TOny Dungy, similar personalities....
DO you remember Tony Dungy, trajically lost his son, at around the same age of Philbins son....
Peyton and Dungy went on to win a Superbowl together shortly after the trajic loss of Dungy's son....
> According to football people (coaches, players,
> execs), Philbin's approach is eerily similar to
> Tony Dungy.
> So, for what it's worth......
To be honest guys. I'd want to talk to the coach before anyone else. The coach is the guy with the system and he's also the guy you are going to be potentially working hand in hand with. As a QB knowing what the coach wants, expects, and what his approach is to the game and making things happen is very important. The owner has very little to say in all of this and the job of the GM is to ensure the long term vision, health, and viability of the team...Manning more than likely dosen't care about those things because he knows he won't be here for that. He'll want to talk to Ireland if and when he gets past Philbin.
Too bad he shouldn't be provided with the luxury of waiting...him or Flynn, first guy to sign is our QB.
Yeah, I'm against signing Peyton but I see nothing wrong with him wanting to talk to the coach first and even if he only wants to talk to the Coach.
If he doesn't want to come, telling the coach shows he has class (which I will always think Peyton has...the utmost of class).
If he is thinking about coming, he wants to know the nitty-gritty of the team. You can't learn that talking to the fat-ass owner
(no politically incorrect taunts meant, I'm fat myself). That shows dedication to getting the job done.
All in all we should just chill as fans and see how this plays out.
In the end, Peyton owes the number one obligation to himself and his family. We need not go psycho because of what he ultimately decides to do and how long he takes to do it.
And I'd like this opportunity to speak a little for myself and say that despite how much I DON'T WANT us to sign Peyton, I think Peyton Manning is one of the greatest quarterbacks and most classy persons to ever play in the National Football League and my concerns about him are solely about his health and not either his ability, talent, or character.
I dont think Ross cares, I think what probably across the wires, is that he was really impressed with the plans of Elway and Wisenhut, and contracts were never talked about. Just the football plan of the team... He wants to hear the coaches plan, and see if it matches up and believes in its likelihood of success... I honestly think this is best case scenario, Ross and Ireland our liabilities in this deal, IMO... Philbins isnt at this point, so he is our best guy... Supposedly his strong suit is football strategy and game plans... I think Philbin could have a better game plan and strategy then Elway and Wisenhut, and come across as a great guy to work with or under to Manning... I dont think Ross or Ireland would give Manning that same warm and fuzzy feeling.... If Philbin pulls it off, Ross is a big boy, nothing makes a boss feel better then when his employee step ups and makes him look good.. Ireland cant micromange it, like he attempts to do with everything in the past, Philbin is on his own, which is great....
Manning doesn’t need to hear about money or contracts. He is going to pick a team and that team is going to pay him what he wants. Period. What he wants to know is what will his new offense be like? Will the Dolphins provide him a certain amount of Manning plays from the Colts or is he going to need to learn an entirely new offense? The same will hold true with Philbin.
Whether this is good or bad for the team at this point is not relevant. There simply is no way to know what Manning is feeling or thinking. He will make his mind up when he makes it up and no one is going to push him towards a decision he does not want to make. So the whole “elaborate theme” was out the window anyways.
Must be nice to be Peyton Manning. At first I want to say , "F" this guy. Nobody is worth that. But Peyton has never been a prima Donna in his life. He earned his reputation . But it would be nice for him to make a decision before free agency starts. This way we wouldn't Lose out on Flynn too.