in some sense I'd say consider ourselves lucky. rather than hitch our wagon to an injured player who teams seem to be afraid to ask to wrk out, and who at most would be playing 2-3 more years, let's have a QB who will work for our coach rather than the other way around. If we bring in flynn, at least we can build our team the right way rather than with a bunch of older player bandaids manning would want around (wayne, clark, etc.) If flynn bombs then we probably are in position to get barkley or jones next year, didn't cost us any picks just cap space. if he turns out to be a good player, then we've got all our draft picks let's start building for the future--need to add some pass rush, lineman, maybe some additional DBs, LBs, WRs, but not in need to a total overhaul if we get a good pass rusher and another good RT or RG.
I say screw manning if he doesn't even want to meet with us. Move along then.

With our luck Flynn would win us 6 games, enough to suck and miss the playoffs and enough to miss out on Barkley.

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> With our luck Flynn would win us 6 games, enough
> to suck and miss the playoffs and enough to miss
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In that case, we could go after Brees. This time next year, he'll probably be ready to move out of New Orleans. At least giving Flynn a shot would not be that long term detrimental to the organization, we've waited this long, might as well wait a little longer.

Just read multiple tweets that Manning won't decide by the start of FA tomorrow (he originally planned on deciding before the start @ 4pm), I hope we don't get an interview now. All along i've been afraid of chasing Manning to no avail and missing out on Flynn. Hoping/praying we sign Flynn now, if for no other reason it will keep Ross from entertaining the thought of trading for Tebow.

If Manning goes to Denver, then Tebow will be traded to Jax.

Forget Flynn Draft Kirk Cousins in the second round. I think he is better than Tannyfanny.

Flynn will wait for the Manning situation to play itself out. He's be stupid not to. You want as many teams in the bidding as possible. At this point, the only sure team after Flynn is Cleveland. Seattle is a possibility. And obviously, Miami is if they don't land Manning. But, Flynn will wait out Miami's decision. He has to. Without Miami, he may only have one team after him, and then he will have no negotiating power.

manning made our decision already--he's not going to meet any more teams, so how is he going to sign here?? moving on to plan C....

agreed. move on from manning. we need to get people here who WANT to be here, not who we need to embarrass ourselves and BEG to come play with us.
Let's move on, give matt flynn a shot, keep all of our draft picks and start building a real team here. Let Philbin and Sherman try it their way, without having Payton come in and be the true coach.
I have moved on from Manning. Good luck to him in Denver. I hope that nerve heals up good.

I agree about moving on from Manning Berk, but that tweet from Omar is stating "Tebow is not happening in Miami"......that's the really good news!

omar has no more inside scoop than me or you--the first news he breaks will be the first. however, I hope he is right---anyone with a brain would know that trading for tebow would be the absolute worst football move we could make---of course, do the clowns running this team have a brain? TBD...

Yeah, Omar thinks Tannehill is the real deal.

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"When you suck long enough, you get a Hickey"

Some degree of perspective would be prudent in this case…

First of all, since Manning hit the market no one from our org has said a thing about wanting him etc. So there’s no reason to believe he is the solution we’re targeting.

I have been in the Flynn camp for a while and I was very much against going after Manning. There are also a number of decent NFL minds who think Flynn is a better option for Philbin and the Miami Dolphins.

If Manning is looking for “his offense” to be installed and to act as the OC on the field, then maybe he’s not the right fit? In addition he’s OLD and coming off a career threatening neck injury – and no one knows for sure how sound he is to begin with.

The folks acting “desperate” are a number of Miami fans IMO.

Ummmmm....it is widely regarded an reported that Stephen Ross wanted an "all out" approach to getting Peyton Manning.

But what happened, is Peyton Manning wanted nothing to do with us. He shunned us. Gave us the cold shoulder. Wouldn't even give us an opportunity to speak to him.

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"When you suck long enough, you get a Hickey"

i am glad manning stiffed us. he was never going to sign here so at least he didn't get our hopes up, give ireland/ross the chance to embarrass themselves and us as fans at the meeting, and lets us start FA tomorrow with full attention on Flynn.

But what it did was put more shame on our franchise. Most football fans believe he was a lock here, so they are going to believe we are idiots, fools, and our organization is in the dumps.

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"When you suck long enough, you get a Hickey"

If Tebow goes to Jax, what happens to Blaine Gabbert. Maybe we could trade for him?

That's not substantiated fact, tho it could be partially true.

None of us know for sure what’s really going on in our orgs decision making process and how much Ross is willing to let the football minds decide and get the QB Philbin wants as opposed to the answer Ross wants. Like I said weeks ago, this stuff had to be discussed at the time Philbin was interviewing… And it’s quite possible they had a different plan than Manning all along. I mean Flynn still makes a LOT more sense from a number of angles – provided Philbin believes the kid is the answer.

As far a Manning goes, no one knows what his decision process is, or if he has certain “conditions” some teams just aren’t interested in (like running his offense). But the basic facts are hard to ignore, and he’s old and recovering from a injury that might end his career. Maybe he’s good to go for another 5 years? But it wouldn’t shock most of us if he breaks down again in the near future.

All I’m saying is that is premature to make conclusions right now. By this time next week it will be a different story. Or maybe in a few days.

Bottom line. We have to HOPE that Ireland and Philbin have this shit under control, and Ross is letting them do the work in putting the plan together and making it happen. If it becomes obvious we’ve screwed the pooch again, I think the fallout would end Ross’s ownership (effectively). So there’s a LOT riding on this and I expect positive results.

BNF.

news leaked out about ross's infactuation with manning. where there is smoke there is fire. you never heard this crap coming out of any other team, except the ones that actually had meetings with him. so yes we look stupid, again.

Our franchise is an embarrassment on a national level.


To publicly desire someOne so bad, them that person not even give you an interview???

Rejection. Embarrassment.

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"When you suck long enough, you get a Hickey"

exactly.

Cousins is horrible, write it down. mark it in a book. We don't want him

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> Cousins is horrible, write it down. mark it in a
> book. We don't want him


And you are????! Just saying..........