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Accuracy can not be coached
Posted by: Aqua&Orange ()
Date: April 22, 2011 12:15PM


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Re: Accuracy can not be coached
Posted by: Crowder52 ()
Date: April 22, 2011 12:23PM

Hey, you guys know I am big fan of Newton, but the numbers are little skewed for him compared to some of the others guys, who' s college career consist of more then one year.
For instance Henne played for 4 years. it is alot harder to keep those numbers up for a long career, when judging completion percentage.

Newton did have a higher completion percentage in one year then most of those guys ever had in one year I would assume.

You knows who's number blow every body elses numbers away is Bradford, he got hurt in 2009, so those numbers arent accurate, but his 2007 and 2008 numbers were
69.7 and 67.9 completion percentage,with QB rating of 176 and 180.

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Re: Accuracy can not be coached
Posted by: Aqua&Orange ()
Date: April 22, 2011 12:28PM

Well he threw 61% at Blinn JC while winning a Title their too.

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Re: Accuracy can not be coached
Posted by: Crowder52 ()
Date: April 22, 2011 12:34PM

A&O, I have been on the Newton bandwagon since the beginning, I hope if the Dolphins get any Qb in the draft it is him. But his numbers for this year were though the roof, and hard to reproduce IMO. I think he could get close, but guys dont score 50 touchdowns in multiple years very often at any level or have a Qb rating as high as his was this past year

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Re: Accuracy can not be coached
Posted by: Aqua&Orange ()
Date: April 22, 2011 12:36PM

I dont really care about TD's, QB rating, and all that other junk.

Accuracy is the one stat that is solely on the QB. You either have it or you dont.

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Re: Accuracy can not be coached
Posted by: BigNastyFish ()
Date: April 22, 2011 12:58PM

I cannot imagine taking a quality QB prospect OFF a draft board because of 1 or 2 passes incomplete out of 100 (e.g., the difference between 58% and 60%). More than that, yards per completion needs to be factored in, not to mention the system and the receivers (I mean some around here believe Henne is ALL-Pro with better receivers).

Beyond that, the premise of your post is just wrong. Accuracy can certainly be “coached” and improved upon. It’s done all the time.

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Re: Accuracy can not be coached
Posted by: BigNastyFish ()
Date: April 22, 2011 01:09PM

Another point: there is not one magic stat that determines if a college QB is NFL ready or not. If there was then everyone would use the same sure fire formula. So the whole idea that you can reduce the QB evaluation equation to something as simple as “accuracy” alone is way too simplified.

However, I would agree with the statement that accuracy is a big part of what makes or breaks an NFL QB. That and pocket awareness, delivery, timing, leadership, foot work, mental toughness, competitiveness, delivery, touch, velocity, vision, mobility, and the list goes on. No doubt the QB position in the NFL is really complicated to project and that’s why I’m insisting as a life-long Dolphin fan that we take at least 2 QB’s. Then take a QB every draft for the next untold years…

Just do it. And shut UP!

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Re: Accuracy can not be coached
Posted by: Aqua&Orange ()
Date: April 22, 2011 01:11PM

Thats your opinion, I respect it. But I think you are wrong.

Normally a 50%-ish QB will always remain in that range.

Same goes for higher.

BTW, the difference between 58% and 60% is not 1 or 2 passes. Try 35-50.

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Re: Accuracy can not be coached
Posted by: Aqua&Orange ()
Date: April 22, 2011 01:12PM


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Re: Accuracy can not be coached
Posted by: Phinsfan2 ()
Date: April 22, 2011 01:19PM


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Re: Accuracy can not be coached
Posted by: Aqua&Orange ()
Date: April 22, 2011 01:36PM

You found 1 guy. It took you 2 hous and 2 Edits.

There are always exceptions to the rule as I already said, but generally speaking...50% Completition percentage QB's dont normally get to 60% when going to a more difficult level of play.

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Re: Accuracy can not be coached
Posted by: Aqua&Orange ()
Date: April 22, 2011 01:43PM

*hours*

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Re: Accuracy can not be coached
Posted by: Phinsfan2 ()
Date: April 22, 2011 01:48PM


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Re: Accuracy can not be coached
Posted by: montequi ()
Date: April 22, 2011 01:51PM

Chad Pennington 65.5
Dan Marino 57.6

What do you say to THAT? How much does completion % truly mean to a player's success?

Of course, Marino WAS 59.4 in the pros, but it didn't really hurt him much.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 04/22/2011 01:52PM by montequi.

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Re: Accuracy can not be coached
Posted by: BigNastyFish ()
Date: April 22, 2011 03:15PM


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Re: Accuracy can not be coached
Posted by: ChyrenB ()
Date: April 22, 2011 03:18PM

Let the man have his own "theorem" Nastyfish.

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Re: Accuracy can not be coached
Posted by: Mia1 ()
Date: April 22, 2011 03:31PM


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Re: Accuracy can not be coached
Posted by: Aqua&Orange ()
Date: April 22, 2011 03:49PM

No QB in the NFL throws less than 60%. If they do...they suck.

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Re: Accuracy can not be coached
Posted by: montequi ()
Date: April 22, 2011 04:50PM

Aqua&Orange Wrote:
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> No QB in the NFL throws less than 60%. If they
> do...they suck.


Marino did. 59.4% Guest he sucked too

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Re: Accuracy can not be coached
Posted by: Aqua&Orange ()
Date: April 22, 2011 05:08PM

Guest so too.

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Re: Accuracy can not be coached
Posted by: Mia1 ()
Date: April 22, 2011 05:10PM

65.8 completion percentage of McElroy's blows out of the water every other chump QB in this draft, even Phinsfans' bro crush on Mallett.

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Re: Accuracy can not be coached
Posted by: Aqua&Orange ()
Date: April 22, 2011 05:12PM

BTW Monte, lets be real here.

Marino played in an era when defenders were all over WR's. He also threw 75% of his passes over 25 yards.

The passing game in today's game is much more favorable to the QB/WR...if you are not throwing 60%+, then you have issues.

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Re: Accuracy can not be coached
Posted by: montequi ()
Date: April 22, 2011 05:23PM

Aqua&Orange Wrote:
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> BTW Monte, lets be real here.
>
> Marino played in an era when defenders were all
> over WR's. He also threw 75% of his passes over 25
> yards.
>
> The passing game in today's game is much more
> favorable to the QB/WR...if you are not throwing
> 60%+, then you have issues.

Makes you wonder what Marino would have done if he played today!

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Re: Accuracy can not be coached
Date: April 22, 2011 05:35PM

Aqua&Orange Wrote:
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> Here is the career accuracy for the QB's coming
> out this year:
>
> 1. Cam Newton - 65.4
> 2. Christian Ponder- 61.8
> 3. Andy Dalton- 61.7
> 4. Blaine Gabbert- 60.9
> 5. Ryan Mallett- 60.3
> 6. Ricky Stanzi- 59.8
> 7. Colin Kaepernick- 58.2
> 8. Jake Locker 53.9
>
> Accuracy is the key to selecting QB's. Here are
> the top QB's of today, and their % from college.
>
>
>
> Peyton Manning 62.8
> Tom Brady 62.3
> Aaron Rodgers 63.8
> Ryan Leaf 53.8
> Akili Smith 56.6
> Chad Henne 59.7
> Drew Brees 61.5
>
>
> My point is, there are a couple "busts" QB's who
> were higher than 60% that failed....but again,
> thats why they are a "bust". For a team to draft a
> QB who's passing % is below 60% is asking for
> trouble. I dont know 1 single good to great QB who
> threw for less that a 60% completion percentage.
>
> My point, dont draft Locker, Kaepernick, or
> Stanzi.




Don't agree with all. Stats are cool and very helpful, but they can be very decitful as well. Kaepernick & Stanzi are my #1's in this draft. Kaepernick early and Stanzi in the later rounds. Locker is interesting as well. Newton is going to be a bust the more I think about it. He's no Mike Vick. And I'm not saying that because he LIKES dogs.....

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Re: Accuracy can not be coached
Posted by: dolfanmark ()
Date: April 23, 2011 02:29AM

It's impossible to compare QBs from 20 years ago to the guys from today. The passes thrown today are so much easier to complete. 20 years ago, the passing game was more downfield, and more traditional, with 2 WRs, and with corners who would actually play bump and run. Now, all of these college teams play a spread offense with 3 and 4 WR running short crossing routes, and almost every corner plays "man off" coverage. It makes it so much easier for QBs to have higher completion percentages than guys like Marino and Montana did.

And even comparing current guys, you have to look at their offense. Guys like Stanzi, Mallett, and Henne played in pro style offenses in college. They are not going to complete as many passes as guys in a spread offense.

A&O has a very valid point about not being able to teach accuracy. Guys can become more accurate with practice, but only to a point. And in the NFL, the windows they have to throw into become much smaller. But, you do have to look at how guys progressed in their careers. Newton has a very unfair advantage in this area because he only played one season (and his one year at Blinn JC is completely irrelevant, and at only 61% against that level of competition, it's not very impressive anyway).

Stanzi went from 59.1 to 56.3 to 64.1. So, was that last year a fluke, or was it real progress?

Kaepernick went from 53.8 to 54.3 to 58.9 to 64.9. Now, that's nice, steady growth. But, the issue with him is that his mechanics are going to have to be revamped, and you just never know what that will do to a guy. Look at Pat White.

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