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I know, our QB sucks, but that's not likely to change this coming year unless we get a vet to come in and outperform Henne. There's not really anyone like that. While I know the story about how you can get RBs anywhere, blah blah blah, Ingram looks like a sure thing NFL top RB. If we can get Mankins (possible if he's not franchised), we move Incognito to C, hopefully Garner comes back and take the other guard spot, and our OL should be good (only possibly weak at RT). Then spend rest of the draft hitting the OL or BPA (inlcuding Q and we should be OK.
It is no longer worth drafting a RB in the first round because the effective career of the average RB in today's NFL is so tremendously short.
A platoon of "lesser" RBs, in combination with a strong offensive line, can be incredibly successful. This strategy also allows more flexibility and protection against injuries, as well as creating a much better foundation for the team's running game.
but everyone availble at QB in the 1st round is 3d choice at best. First choice, Luck, was the only sure thing and he's not coming out. Second choice is Gabbert who seems to be the best of the lot this year. So we're left at 15 with the best of the "3d" choices (Newton, Mallet, etc) all of whom have major question marks. I know we need a QB in the 1st but this year doesn't seem like the year to pull the trigger.
We have three holes to fill on the offensive line, maybe four if they decide to cut Carey for financial reasons. Nate Garner's return could help. Richie Incognito could be re-signed to play RG, the position he had always played in the NFL before this season. But, without a doubt, at the very least, we need to sign Mankins or Carl Nicks, and spend a high draft pick on the O-line. Without a line, nothing else matters.
i like the idea of getting d williams and mankins so we don't need to use our #1 on a RB. I'd be ok with trading down and taking OL and speed WR with those picks. we could have a beastly OL: Long, Mankins, INcognito or high draftee, Carey, #1 pick RT
> #15 RB MARK INGRAM (DON'T TRADE DOWN)
> EARLY 2ND ROUND (TRADE UP,package 3rd + 5th+ 6TH+)
> AND SELECT
> Stefen Wisniewski, C/G, Penn State
> 4TH- QB COLIN KAPERNICK
Look are you 13 really? Im not trying to be a a.. but seriously dude, first you clammour all over Newton, like he is a fig, or strawberry newton, he is a cam newton, who will be forgotten in about 3 years.
Then you go on to give this HORRIBLE, and I know horrible, just ask the rest of the posters about what I type!!! Horrible scenario about selecting Ingram, trade up, and give away the rest of our picks for a center, then how will we end up with Newton???
Look we will trade down, that is going to happen, Ireland without giving away his stratagy, has pretty much guaranteed that if it's there, this team will re-acquire our second round selection.
So that will leave us with our top priority this draft, which is to shore up our O-line, because next year we will be drafting our Franchise QB, and Luck will be our man.
With a bright shiny new line, and some new RB's, a wr or two, and TE.
> If we draft Ingram I'll throw up in my mouth. He's not a game changer.
RESPONSE: You know this is the kind of statement that can turn into either "I told you so" or "famous last words."
Its a wasted resource to
> select at #15 what you can get at #79 .
RESPONSE: But this part of it is something we will see in April.
Provided we do not draft him at 15, all we have to do is see where he's drafted because if he's drafted number 16, you certainly can't say, "Well, we could have had him at 79."
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Well, Mia1, if we could get a dominant O-line, if we could be assured that we were drafting Bob Kuchenberg or Jim Langer or Wayne Moore, I would agree that you could put a peg legged guy in the backfield and have a 1,000 yards running back.
Although O-line projections tend to be more accurate than RB projections which, in turn, tend to be more accurate than QB projections, again there is no guarantee.
> earnest byner and kevin mack?
> rocky blier and franco harris?
> morris czonka kick?
> brandon jacobs and ahmad bradshaw?
RESPONSE: Now Franco was the top man and Rocky was the blocker sometimes carrier. Ronnie and Ricky were both basically starting and STAR RBs who we happened to get on the same team at the same time. Csonka was number 1 and Kiick was number 2. When Mercury came in, he took the number 2 role and ultimately replaced Kiick.
Ernest Byner and Kevin Mack were simply two scat-backs that either of whom I am not sure ran for 1000 yards and if so only once or so.
I don't think Jacobs and Bradshaw are even in the company of any of the duos mentioned above.
Yep. All of the above rushed for 1000 yards in the same season. Csonka and Morris were the first (and IMHO the best) to do it. Ricky and Ronnie never did it. They aren't in the same league (again IMHO) as the others.
Give me the years because I have been looking at NFL.com and I haven't seen any of the above tandems listed with 2 1000 yard rushers in the same year, I don't believe even Csonka and Morris. That's why I'm asking for the stats. I can check the years.
And we have to remember that Ronnie and Ricky did not play together in all of the years we have had them. There were those years Ricky went away and came back.
what are you missing? you said you wanted stats and that you didn't think any of the players I listed rushed for 1k yards in the same season. I provided links, which if you click, prove that all of these guys did. yet you still insist ricky and ronnie are the all time best RB tandem and that rocky blier was a blocking back and kevin mack was a scat back? OK then