Quite frankly, I wasn't sold on Harbaugh anyway. He's a college coach whose had less success at this level than such epic NFL failures as Steve Spurrier and Nick Saban. Maybe he'll be a great NFL coach but its hard to gauge that based on essentially one season. Harbaugh was at best a crap shoot. Cowher was the safer and better choice. Ross should have done whatever was necessary to bring Cowher in. At worst, he brings instant credibility and respect to the franchise. Players love him and free agents would have flocked to play for him. I'm guessing that our divisional rivals were much more nervous about Cowher potentially coming here than an untested and inexperienced Harbaugh taking over the reins. If the only reason this didn't happen was the desire to keep Ireland as GM, then it makes it an even greater boneheaded move. Ireland has been adequate at best. He is eminently replaceable and losing out on Cowher because of him is the real reason that fans should be pissed right now-- not because of not getting Harbaugh.

Cowher should be given full control, and get Ireland out

The *total* control thing doesnt work anymore in this day in age.


I dont like the idea, and I am not for giving a HC total control.

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"When you suck long enough, you get a Hickey"

As far as I understand the situation, Cowher did not want total control. He merely did not want Ireland to be his boss.

No, I am pretty sure he wanted total control.

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"When you suck long enough, you get a Hickey"

I guess the question is whether you'd rather have Cowher making the decisions, or Ireland, Sparano, with a dash of Carl Peterson thrown in. Don't get me wrong, I have nothing against Sparano... but if you're asking me whether I think we'd be better off with Bill Cowher, I think its a no brainer.

Fins72 Wrote:
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> I guess the question is whether you'd rather have
> Cowher making the decisions, or Ireland, Sparano,
> with a dash of Carl Peterson thrown in. Don't get
> me wrong, I have nothing against Sparano... but if
> you're asking me whether I think we'd be better
> off with Bill Cowher, I think its a no brainer.


+1

Krunk Fu Wrote:
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> No, I am pretty sure he wanted total control.
>
> Please provide a link to a report saying that
> Cowher wanted total control over the franchise,
> not merely his own GM.

Whether it was his own GM or not, he very likely wanted to be the final decision maker, like Wanny was over Spielman for his first few years.

So what you're saying is that you just assume he wanted total control?

Krunk Fu Wrote:
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> So what you're saying is that you just assume he
> wanted total control?

It's logical that he'd want to be the one making the decisions. Wanny had that power. Why not Cowher?

So because Wanny wanted total control, that means Cowher also wants total control? That doesn't seem logical at all.

It couldn't possibly be that he simply wants his boss to be somebody who shares his philosophy, and somebody he knows he can work well with, hm?

If he wanted complete control, he wouldn't even bother selecting a GM at all. He would simply retain that role himself.

He either does not like Ireland's body of work, or he wants his new boss to be somebody he knows and trusts. This is quite common during any transfer of authority.

Krunk Fu Wrote:
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> If he wanted complete control, he wouldn't even
> bother selecting a GM at all. He would simply
> retain that role himself.
He's not stupid. He knows doing 2 jobs isn't practical. Most coaches that have tried have failed.

>
> He either does not like Ireland's body of work, or
> he wants his new boss to be somebody he knows and
> trusts. This is quite common during any transfer
> of authority.
Where do you get the impression he'd be picking his boss??!! Dude! That makes NO sense.

Monte,

just stop with Krunk, he doesnt understand the big picture. He doesnt understand what we are trying to say.


Every person with real knowledge of football, knows what we are talking about.

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"When you suck long enough, you get a Hickey"

You're missing the point completely. Complete Control doesn't mean you do all the work. It just means you make the final decision and/or you can overrule any decision.

You two are simply naive about the business nature of the sport, and consider this relatively common corporate transition model to be something entirely foreign because it involves your football team.

The simple fact of the matter is that Cowher never made it clear that he wants complete control. You are merely assuming that to be the case, which is foolish. There is a high probability that he simply wants to surround himself with "his people", which is very common in business AND in football...or he simply does not want to work with Ireland.

Krunk Fu Wrote:
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> The simple fact of the matter is that Cowher never
> made it clear that he wants complete control.

> he
> simply wants to surround himself with "his
> people"

You're a walking oxymoron...dude.

Monte, lol....he just doesnt get the point.

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"When you suck long enough, you get a Hickey"

Krunk Fu, you're wrong. When you "hire" your own boss that means you have complete control, pretty simple

Haha, I like how you feel the need to manipulate my sentences in an attempt to find a contradiction. There is a significant difference between these two statements:

"He simply wants to surround himself with "his people".

"There is a high probability that he simply wants to surround himself with "his people".

Do you really not comprehend the difference?

Krunk Fu Wrote:
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> Haha, I like how you feel the need to manipulate
> my sentences in an attempt to find a
> contradiction. There is a significant difference
> between these two statements:
>
> "He simply wants to surround himself with "his
> people".
>
> "There is a high probability that he simply wants
> to surround himself with "his people".
>
> Do you really not comprehend the difference?

If you're not going to admit that "High Probability" means Very Likely, then what's the point of your argument?

So what all of you are saying is that it is not at all possible that Cowher simply did not want to work for Ireland, and wanted to approve the next GM that would be hired?

That can't possibly be the case?

dude, you are just not going to get it.

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"When you suck long enough, you get a Hickey"

Reality is probably somewhere in the middle.

But Cowher would NOT come in "under" someone like Ireland.

That's a guarantee IMO.

I guess I should consider my audience, however. I shouldn't expect too much.