ChambersDeepBall Wrote:
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> Those commenting on Henne's mobility must have missed
> the 3rd and 15 QB draw where he almost made a
> first down and got us into Danny C range

Wasn't that when Thigpen came in?

KB Wrote:
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> From a Henne hater… Hats off , good game #7.
>
> What I liked: Seemed to see the field better, saw
> more receivers and got them the ball! I think the
> best accuracy over a whole game we have seen from
> him so far. >
>
> Little to no pass rush pressure most of the game.
> Playing with a lead.
>

This was actually one of his worst games in terms of completion percentage.

And the pass rush was the most intense he has faced all season. The Raiders lead the NFL in sacks per pass attempt, and they often sent 7 guys after the QB. In addition to the three sacks, Henne was hit and knocked down an additional 5 or 6 times.

Untill he stops being so inconsistant all game, then he will be what he is a Average QB with a big arm.

When and IF he can mature enough to remain consistant more times than not, then All I can do is say thank you for not losing it for us, and good team effort.

He made some awsome pass's, and some lame ducks, he is to yeng, and yang.

HE needs to find that happy median, time to go watch some Happy Gilmore Henne, and find your happy place!

dolfanmark Wrote:
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> KB Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > From a Henne hater… Hats off , good game #7.
> >
> > What I liked: Seemed to see the field better,
> saw
> > more receivers and got them the ball! I think
> the
> > best accuracy over a whole game we have seen
> from
> > him so far. >
> >
> > Little to no pass rush pressure most of the
> game.
> > Playing with a lead.
> >
>
> This was actually one of his worst games in terms
> of completion percentage.
>
> And the pass rush was the most intense he has
> faced all season. The Raiders lead the NFL in
> sacks per pass attempt, and they often sent 7 guys
> after the QB. In addition to the three sacks,
> Henne was hit and knocked down an additional 5 or
> 6 times.

Completion % or not, it was the best accuracy I have seen from him when he was doing what he does best. Standing in the pocket not getting pressured. The touch passes over the middle have been awful in the past. Yesterday they were perfect.

The Raiders may have been sending 7-8 but most of the game they weren't getting there save for a couple of series in the first half (one of which resulted in the int). Watch the replays Henne wasn't touched on either TD.

It was his best game all year in terms of results and thats all any of us really care about.

What I liked most was the distribution of the ball. Anyone else think Marshall not being in there stopped some of the 'locking on'?

KB Wrote:
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> Anyone else think Marshall not being in
> there stopped some of the 'locking on'?

Yes. That could be part of the issue. We need to face it. Marshall is physical but not fast, which means he's not going to get a lot of separation...at least, not in the first couple seconds of the play. Henne hasn't figured out how best to get him the ball yet. Henne wants to see a guy obviously open. With Marshall I think he spent is time waiting for that separation, and that waiting is what killed him.

I think we either need to put Marshall in the slot or in a TE-like role (where he can go against 2nd-string DBs and LBs), or Henne needs to trust Marshall more and throw it to him even when he isn't WIDE open. That's what Cutler did in Denver.

KB Wrote:
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> dolfanmark Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > KB Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > From a Henne hater… Hats off , good game
> #7.
> > >
> > > What I liked: Seemed to see the field
> better,
> > saw
> > > more receivers and got them the ball! I
> think
> > the
> > > best accuracy over a whole game we have seen
> > from
> > > him so far. >
> > >
> > > Little to no pass rush pressure most of the
> > game.
> > > Playing with a lead.
> > >
> >
> > This was actually one of his worst games in
> terms
> > of completion percentage.
> >
> > And the pass rush was the most intense he has
> > faced all season. The Raiders lead the NFL in
> > sacks per pass attempt, and they often sent 7
> guys
> > after the QB. In addition to the three sacks,
> > Henne was hit and knocked down an additional 5
> or
> > 6 times.
>
> Completion % or not, it was the best accuracy I
> have seen from him when he was doing what he does
> best. Standing in the pocket not getting
> pressured. The touch passes over the middle have
> been awful in the past. Yesterday they were
> perfect.
>
> The Raiders may have been sending 7-8 but most of
> the game they weren't getting there save for a
> couple of series in the first half (one of which
> resulted in the int). Watch the replays Henne
> wasn't touched on either TD.
>

But, not being touched doesn't mean there was no pressure. On the Moore pass, it was a blitz with 6 rushers, and we had only 3 players in the pattern. The other two were doubled, with Moore one on one. And Henne made the right read immediately. It's no surprised. Henne has a higher passer rating when blitzed than when he's not.

dolfanmark Wrote:
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> KB Wrote:
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> > dolfanmark Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > KB Wrote:
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > > -----
> > > > From a Henne hater… Hats off , good game
> > #7.
> > > >
> > > > What I liked: Seemed to see the field
> > better,
> > > saw
> > > > more receivers and got them the ball! I
> > think
> > > the
> > > > best accuracy over a whole game we have
> seen
> > > from
> > > > him so far. >
> > > >
> > > > Little to no pass rush pressure most of the
> > > game.
> > > > Playing with a lead.
> > > >
> > >
> > > This was actually one of his worst games in
> > terms
> > > of completion percentage.
> > >
> > > And the pass rush was the most intense he has
> > > faced all season. The Raiders lead the NFL in
> > > sacks per pass attempt, and they often sent 7
> > guys
> > > after the QB. In addition to the three sacks,
> > > Henne was hit and knocked down an additional
> 5
> > or
> > > 6 times.
> >
> > Completion % or not, it was the best accuracy I
> > have seen from him when he was doing what he
> does
> > best. Standing in the pocket not getting
> > pressured. The touch passes over the middle
> have
> > been awful in the past. Yesterday they were
> > perfect.
> >
> > The Raiders may have been sending 7-8 but most
> of
> > the game they weren't getting there save for a
> > couple of series in the first half (one of
> which
> > resulted in the int). Watch the replays Henne
> > wasn't touched on either TD.
> >
>
> But, not being touched doesn't mean there was no
> pressure. On the Moore pass, it was a blitz with 6
> rushers, and we had only 3 players in the pattern.
> The other two were doubled, with Moore one on one.
> And Henne made the right read immediately. It's no
> surprised. Henne has a higher passer rating when
> blitzed than when he's not.

Different QB's have different thresholds of feeling pressured. When a blitz is picked up is it really pressure? An NFL QB should have enough pocket presence to not 'feel' the rush if the blitz is picked up. When he is being bumped, forced to step up in the pocket, scramble, etc is what I am talking about, and those things are going to happen against better teams...consistently. A good NFL QB has to make some plays under those circumstances. Hope this is a turning point and he shows he can do so consistently.

I've been a Henne supporter. It's amazing. I don't rank this among his best games because although he completed more, he had less dropped passes also. Had he not had dropped passes in those games, his stats would have been the same.

More importantly, also, the play calling was not horrible as usual and the defensive run tackling was better and the defensive secondary was better.


In other words, it is precisely what I said before . . . . that the other elements of our game were more to blame for those losses and close games we won than the quarterbacking was to blame.

The thing that disturbs me is, like someone says above, some people are just looking at the win and either congratulating him or cutting him some slack. That is still the credit the quarterback for any win and blame him for any loss. These are the knuckleheads who assert "the quarterbacks the most important player on any team" as a way to justify their juvenile outlook. Yeah, and the pitcher is the most important man on the field in baseball but if the in field players and the catcher keep dropping pop-ups and missing ground balls, you can't blame the pitcher.


Come next week, therefore, and if the other elements of our game go to pot, Henne can EVEN have a BETTER day STATISTICALLY than against the Raiders and the phrase "Henne sucks" will come back on this board.

Let’s not confuse one decent game with a renaissance…

Henne had a great game last year against the Jets at home (his best effort by far IMO) and regressed afterwards. Then he started this season a robo QB and has THE WORST collective stats in the NFL for any starting QB (at least prior to Sunday).

Great for the kid for having ONE decent game but that doesn’t magically erase all of his problems…Now if he can string together a number of solid performances and score TD’s in the clutch we’ll talk…

BigNastyFish Wrote:
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> Let’s not confuse one decent game with a
> renaissance…
>
> Henne had a great game last year against the Jets
> at home (his best effort by far IMO) and regressed
> afterwards. Then he started this season a robo QB
> and has THE WORST collective stats in the NFL for
> any starting QB (at least prior to Sunday).
>
> Great for the kid for having ONE decent game but
> that doesn’t magically erase all of his
> problems…Now if he can string together a number
> of solid performances and score TD’s in the
> clutch we’ll talk…

Robo-QB tendencies happen when you're thinking too much. With the addition of Marshall and the changes to the interior O-Line, it's no wonder Henne was thinking rather than reacting on instinct early in the year. I also believe the "benching" (be-it temporary) DID have a positive affect on him.