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"what i dont understand is....If cassel is so bad, the how come they let the future hall of famer fall into our lap. Heh."
Money.
Power.
Image.
In rolls Pioli and Haley, who want to do it all their way. Pioli brings Cassel with him, invested a ****load of money in him...the odd man out was Thigpen, who I have actually heard nothing but good things about since he was drafted.
The Vikings were high on the guy. REALLY high, but got greedy and thought they could sneak him on the practice squad.
Next thing they know, he's wearing red and white...has a pretty good year despite the surrounding cast...
Then in marches the new crew into KC and...adios Thigpen.
Finally I agree with Thunder on something, I kinda like Thigpen. I Think Henne is the man though. If I'm wrong and Henne fails, I'm going to retire as an NFL fan with ol'Bill as company.
If Henne struggles, which i predict, Thigpen is going to start a game or two, hell Pat White will prob start a game or two, which i would do anyway, to see how they play a full game. Hell play/start Henne 5 games, White, 4 games, and Thigpen 4 games. That way we know where we would stand next year for the draft.
Doug Flute was a QB midget by NFL standards. He was somewhat effective due to his ability to pass on the run. Harder to do these days with faster defenses.
Phinsfan2 has it right. Thigpen wasn't brought here for anything other than to be a serviceable backup. i agree with the K.C. love-fest for Cassell, Pioli campaigned for him, and got his guy. Like you said, he's married to him for better or worse.
There was no way the F.O. would insert White as their #2. This isn't a knock against White, but this will be the year Henne shows why he was drafted in the 2nd round. I predict (and hope) Henne plays the next 13 games, surprises many of us, and adds a new skill set to our passing attack, notable the long ball (Ginn) and ball speed (i loved seeing Henne fire in those 10-15 yd bullets)...
This is the make or break year for Ginn, and if we continue seeing the ball landing 2-3 yards beyond his outstretched arm, that's it for him. this may sound crazy, but i think elite wr's make those catches, through extra effort or go ahead and dive for the freakin' ball. im warming up to the idea that we draft a wr HIGH next year, because its obvious we dont have that #1 player on our team right now. no one is afraid of our wr corps, and its showing.
"I don't really care what happened in the past, I'm not afraid of challenges. I look forward to them." - T. Sparano
Phinjim, I was being somewhat sarcastic at the title but not entirely he is a veteran when you consider our QB roster. I am a wait and see kind of guy before I pass judgement. Thigpen won't play Henne will but if Henne goes down they need Thigpen to play. No one was going to put in White this year no matter what. I can't say I blame them.
I keep saying over and over our biggest gaping need on offense is our WR situation. After 3yrs Ginn is not our guy and for who ever said it earlier...........yes good wr make those catches.
Why not, how many games do you need, fine give em 6, we got two guys that got potential,if Henne struggles, let them start a couple, Henne has been in this system long enough that he will either sink, or swim. I mean i think we can all agree that this offense is not complicated, and i run fist orientated, and should be QB friendly.
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> Henne has been in this system long enough that he will either
> sink, or swim.
-That is exactly why we should give him extended time (to see if he can handle the load) and exactly why we should not put Pat White in the starting role.
"I don't really care what happened in the past, I'm not afraid of challenges. I look forward to them." - T. Sparano
You give him all of the available games. A handfull of games is not enough and six would be just that, a handfull. ALL we should be looking for is improvement in each game...IMPROVEMENT however, does in no way mean that we have to win those games. If Henne goes for multiple games while showing no improvement or regresses badly then we give another player a shot...but ONLY if Henne does not get any better or if he gets worse.
Just because we dont execute it properly, doesnt mean it isnt QB friendly. It's set up to be a long possession, least amount of turnover offense, which i feel has some horrible designs, but is QB friendly. Cant help it if Ginn sucks, but Camarillo, Bess, and Hartline catch most of the balls thrown to them, so does Haynos, and Fasano, sure Fasano Fumbled twice in one game, but he has also played like a beast. Like i said, it is set up to help he QB, just we dont execute it worth a d.m,.. You feel he needs 13 games, thats cool, i feel he only needs around 5 or 6 to see if he is going to be the man. You either got it or you dont, 6, 13, 24, i mean look at Jamarcus Russel, Vince Young, Sage Rosenfelts, how many games did they start untill people realized they just wont produce on an high level? I see Henne alot like Russel, who has a cannon, doesnt get flustered, but makes horrible decisions, and he has been doing that in Oak, since he has been drafted. Maybe im wrong, but to me when i watch them play, yes they have a sweet looking pass, but when it get's return for a td by the defense, then it dissheartens me.