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Hope+Optimism=reality+embarassment
Posted by: AFCbeast ()
Date: September 08, 2019 02:09PM

At least Miami once again proved all the prognosticators and the betting world wrong...we are not tanking the "season"...we will be tanking on a week to week basis.smileys with beer

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Re: Hope+Optimism=reality+embarassment
Posted by: SCPhinsFan ()
Date: September 08, 2019 02:57PM

If they re still playing this poorly later in the season, I will be concerned

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Re: Hope+Optimism=reality+embarassment
Posted by: Ken ()
Date: September 08, 2019 03:25PM

Players already requesting trades per reports.

Yes, today was the worst game I have ever watched. Total crap show.

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Re: Hope+Optimism=reality+embarassment
Posted by: Fins72 ()
Date: September 08, 2019 04:00PM

Players want to be traded? LOL Who's going to want to trade for them?

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Re: Hope+Optimism=reality+embarassment
Posted by: pafinfan ()
Date: September 09, 2019 05:37AM

A friend of mine who is also a Dolphins fan said "It can't get any worse"

My fear is yes, yes it can. (don't know how)

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Re: Hope+Optimism=reality+embarassment
Posted by: Fins72 ()
Date: September 09, 2019 05:47AM

0-16 is worse.

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Re: Hope+Optimism=reality+embarassment
Posted by: 808phan ()
Date: September 09, 2019 06:13AM

I fully expected a really ugly season & the start of it exceeded my expectations. Only reward for the worst record in 2019 is the #1 pick in 2020, but my question is will Grier draft the right player in the 1st round along with all the other picks this team has accumulated.

As for the current player revolt rumor and trade requests - It's funny that these players seem suddenly concerned about winning instead of collecting a paycheck. Being on a bottom dweller team hasn't been a concern for them all these years until now and I'd like to know why.

If they had the patience that the fans have they'd be loyal enough for me to believe that they understand what it takes to rebuild & succeed in the future.

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Re: Hope+Optimism=reality+embarassment
Posted by: Fins72 ()
Date: September 09, 2019 06:28AM

"but my question is will Grier draft the right player in the 1st round along with all the other picks this team has accumulated."

That's the million dollar question. Minkah looked horrible yesterday (along with everyone else). Charles Harris is a bust. Parker, albeit having a couple of nice catches yesterday, has proven to not be worthy of a first round pick. I've said it before and I'll say it again. Grier has been with the Dolphins for 20 years. He's been a scout and ultimately became GM. He's part of the reason why they're in the hole they're in. Since it seems Tua is the target, I just hope he's the second coming of Dan Marino.

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Re: Hope+Optimism=reality+embarassment
Posted by: pafinfan ()
Date: September 09, 2019 07:37AM

What if we do stink as much as they showed yesterday, we draft Tua and he pulls an Elway/Baltimore or Eli Manning/Chargers and says nope, not playing for them?

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Re: Hope+Optimism=reality+embarassment
Posted by: Fins72 ()
Date: September 09, 2019 07:44AM

pafinfan Wrote:
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> What if we do stink as much as they showed
> yesterday, we draft Tua and he pulls an
> Elway/Baltimore or Eli Manning/Chargers and says
> nope, not playing for them?


It's a possibility. I'd say they need to determine that before they pull the trigger on the pick.

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Re: Hope+Optimism=reality+embarassment
Posted by: socalphin ()
Date: September 09, 2019 07:48AM

I've been hammering Grier for years on this board.
He's been the only common denominator over the last 10 years of bad-mediocre drafts.

Next year Grier needs to draft the top LT with the 1st pick, then go best available OL with the second 1st rounder.

Forget about TUA!! We need to start Rosen next year.

The only way Rosen can be evaluated fairly, is with a somewhat competent OL.

The rest of the draft needs to be spent on DL and LBs.

We need to seriously target Lawrence in '21. We should have the assets to make that happen.

So simple, yet I have no faith Grier will execute the long play correctly.

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Re: Hope+Optimism=reality+embarassment
Posted by: Ken ()
Date: September 09, 2019 08:38AM

This how our draft needs to go.

1. Tua
1. OL
2. OL
2. DL
3. DL
3. OL
4. LB
4. BPA
5. BPA
6. BPA
6. BPA
7. BPA
7. BPA

Let Tua and Rosen battle it out for the starters job...best player wins...with no external or internal BS this time.

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Re: Hope+Optimism=reality+embarassment
Posted by: jsm08 ()
Date: September 09, 2019 08:48AM

Don't forget grier has marvin allen and reggie mckenzie in that front office with him now.

I'll take that over tannenbaum and gase.

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Re: Hope+Optimism=reality+embarassment
Posted by: mizzou15 ()
Date: September 09, 2019 09:26AM

Its going to be ugly all year. Will be hard for an oline that has 2 starters (and 2 second stringers) who were not on the preseason roster to develop any sense of cohesion this season while getting the hell kicked out of them. This Oline may not gel at all this season. We tried to run a 3/4 with 4/3 assets. Really don't see why so many fans are surprised that we got a butts kicked. We are rebuilding this is what happens.

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Re: Hope+Optimism=reality+embarassment
Posted by: Fins72 ()
Date: September 09, 2019 09:36AM

mizzou15 Wrote:
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> Its going to be ugly all year. Will be hard for an
> oline that has 2 starters (and 2 second stringers)
> who were not on the preseason roster to develop
> any sense of cohesion this season while getting
> the hell kicked out of them. This Oline may not
> gel at all this season. We tried to run a 3/4 with
> 4/3 assets. Really don't see why so many fans are
> surprised that we got a butts kicked. We are
> rebuilding this is what happens.

I have to disagree a little. Yes, I knew that this team was built (or dismantled) to lose. I get the tanking plan but what we saw yesterday wasn't just a loss. It was a squashing the likes of which I haven't seen in a very long time. The biggest concern for me is that they never competed. This game was over from the beginning. There was never a second where I thought they could stop Baltimore. I would expect a division one college team to do no worse (some would do better) It's one thing to tank, but it's an entirely different thing to embarrass your franchise. It was a humiliating loss and will have far reaching implications if they replicate this performance over and over again.

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Re: Hope+Optimism=reality+embarassment
Posted by: mizzou15 ()
Date: September 09, 2019 10:01AM

What did you expect? Did you really expect that an oline starting a guard at LT, a rookie and 2 guys that did not even suit up for us in preseason would open massive holes? A bunch of first and second year players learning a new defense would play like the second coming of the killer bee's? Equavoen was an all pro? Fitz would turn into Aaron Rodgers? We would not miss our best WR. Reality just sunk in. We stink, real bad. Nothings going to change that this season. This is what a 0-16 team looks like. Yes we look worse than the 1-15 We just cleaned house. Wake, Alonzo, Stills, Tannehill James and all of those other players who we cheered on that kept us in mediocrity are gone.Good riddance.

This team is worse than the 1-15 team. I am ok with it we are rebuilding. No false dreams here.

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Posted by: mizzou15 ()
Date: September 09, 2019 10:35AM

How bad is this team. If you remember Jimmy Johnson's 1989 Cowboys that went 1-15. That team had Aikman, Moose Johnson, Nate Newton, Rafferty, Stepnowski Eveson Walls and others. They still went 1-15. We are not even close to having talent like that on our squad. We are worse.

I remember the second Giants game from that season. NY won putting the Cowboys at 1-14(??). JJ was walking dejectedly off the field. Parcells yelled at him over the crowd and actually got his attention, Parcells then pointed at his chin and mouthed 'keep your chin up'.

That's what the Phins coaches, front office and players have to remember. Fans and press are gonna take their craps on them but that locker room and org have to practice and play hard for 16 weeks this season and keep their chins up.

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Re: Hope+Optimism=reality+embarassment
Posted by: Fins72 ()
Date: September 09, 2019 10:48AM

mizzou15 Wrote:
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> What did you expect? Did you really expect that an
> oline starting a guard at LT, a rookie and 2 guys
> that did not even suit up for us in preseason
> would open massive holes? A bunch of first and
> second year players learning a new defense would
> play like the second coming of the killer bee's?
> Equavoen was an all pro? Fitz would turn into
> Aaron Rodgers? We would not miss our best WR.
> Reality just sunk in. We stink, real bad. Nothings
> going to change that this season. This is what a
> 0-16 team looks like. Yes we look worse than the
> 1-15 We just cleaned house. Wake, Alonzo, Stills,
> Tannehill James and all of those other players who
> we cheered on that kept us in mediocrity are
> gone.Good riddance.
>
> This team is worse than the 1-15 team. I am ok
> with it we are rebuilding. No false dreams here.

I'm not arguing that this is a terrible roster. Of course it is. They purposely made it this way because they believe, right or wrong, that Tua will come out, and will be a franchise QB. My only concern is that you still have to have the organization in place to make the right draft choices. If you don't, tanking the season away gains you nothing. I'd feel a whole lot better if Grier hadn't used first round picks on Harris and Parker (and maybe Minkah). It doesn't instill a bunch of confidence in his judgment.

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Posted by: mizzou15 ()
Date: September 09, 2019 02:17PM

Im not buying the tanking for Tua crap. This is a rebuild screw the tanking crap. If we grab Tua fine we will see what happens next spring. Im ok w/ Grier. Harris does stink but no one said he stunk coming out of college. Parker has stats, always have said that. Out of the 6 receivers picked in his drafts first round only 1 has more receiving yards 2 have more TDs. We stunk as a team it went beyond those 2. Both would be better off on another team. Minka is a keeper. I still don't know what the heck Flores is doing on defense and playing McCain at fs. Actually it appears that Flores is trying out his 3/4. Its ugly because he does not have the personal. Godchaux is not a NT, Wilkens at end Baker at ilb. Everyone looked confused as heck on Sunday.

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Posted by: samsam3738 ()
Date: September 09, 2019 04:04PM

Insane to critisize devante p....with the ol givi g fitspatrick one second....if you ask me devante played at pro bowl level with 2 catches..

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Posted by: tsstamper ()
Date: September 09, 2019 10:10PM


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Re: Hope+Optimism=reality+embarassment
Posted by: Fins72 ()
Date: September 10, 2019 05:09AM

samsam3738 Wrote:
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> Insane to critisize devante p....with the ol givi
> g fitspatrick one second....if you ask me devante
> played at pro bowl level with 2 catches..


Parker had some nice catches on Sunday but his overall body of work with Miami doesn't in any way, shape, or form make him worthy of a first round pick. No how, no way. If he stays healthy this year, plays well throughout, I'll be happy to say maybe he's turned it around. I'm not holding my breath, though.

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Posted by: pafinfan ()
Date: September 10, 2019 05:35AM

Parkers problem is always flash one or two games, get hurt.

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Posted by: ChyrenB ()
Date: September 10, 2019 11:55AM

tsstamper Wrote:
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> Out of the 6 receivers picked in his drafts first
> round only 1 has more receiving yards 2 have more
> TDs.
>
> Not only that - and please hear I've been
> disappointed by Parker's overall production,
> though primarily because of health and/or misuse
> issues - but in the greater overall context of who
> was available from pick 14 thru the end of the 1st
> round, there really weren't very many players that
> I would say "man - that would have been, hands
> down, a better pick for us in that slot at that
> time".
>
> He played a really good game. Can he remain
> healthy & consistent? That's really been the
> million-dollar question for him throughout his
> career to date.

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Posted by: mizzou15 ()
Date: September 10, 2019 02:34PM

Bottom line Parker's stats say he was worth the pick and that is comparing them to his constituents. It just doesn't make sense to say otherwise, I am not necessarily a Parker fan. He doesn't suck more than most of the player's we bought in and guys like Alonzo were paid more than him.

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Posted by: socalphin ()
Date: September 12, 2019 12:37PM

Ken Wrote:
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> This how our draft REALLY needs to go.
>
> 1. Best LT in draft
> 1. OL BPA
> 2. QB
> 2. DL
> 3. DL
> 3. LB
> 4. LB
> 4. BPA
> 5. BPA
> 6. BPA
> 6. BPA
> 7. BPA
> 7. BPA


Everyone needs to get off Tua's jock for a minute, PLEASE!!
He's really not THAT great. I'd actually take Fromm over him at the next level.

We've got to come away with 2 young, immediate starters along the
O-line. One of them needs to be the best LT in the draft.

Take the best QB left on your board with one of the 2nd rd picks.
Someone to develop and back up Rosen if needed.

Rosen needs to be the starter going into next year. Period.
If he's not the franchise guy we need, we will be in optimal position to draft Lawrence in '21.
For Lawrence to have any chance of starting for us in '21, he'll need an ascending OL in front of him. If done right, he should have one.

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Re: Hope+Optimism=reality+embarassment
Posted by: samsam3738 ()
Date: September 12, 2019 02:40PM

Lol.

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Date: September 12, 2019 05:22PM

I NEVER liked Tua. I think hes injury prone and a stretch with the #1 pick.

However. With so many high picks we actually have the luxury of taking a chance on a 1st round derby QB . If our admin determines Tua worth it , so be it. But let's make a good educated pick. We cant afford to waste this opportunity.

Next year we get a roof and despite the shade.......a lot more sunshine blown up our asses!!!!

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