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Re: Transition Tag for Olivier Vernon
Posted by: dgoodhue ()
Date: March 06, 2016 11:13AM


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Re: Transition Tag for Olivier Vernon
Posted by: dgoodhue ()
Date: March 06, 2016 11:22AM

JoeFootball Wrote:
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> How about this little nugget....
>
> They are letting OV walk over 3 mil but we are
> paying Dion Jordan 6.2 mil this year. That's
> almost twice as much as OV has made in his ENTIRE
> CAREER! If we cut Dion Jordan, we save well over 3
> mil and much more if they go after the pro rated
> signing bonus.

The Salary cap charge is $6.2M. Miami is paying Dion Jordan $3.2M, most of which is a roster bonus. This is a contract year for Jordan so maybe he will bring his A game.

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Re: Transition Tag for Olivier Vernon
Posted by: dolphan4545 ()
Date: March 06, 2016 03:11PM


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Re: Transition Tag for Olivier Vernon
Posted by: dolphan4545 ()
Date: March 06, 2016 03:30PM

"Another excellent article by Ian Wharton, good read of why Miami is correct in not overpaying for OV"

Are you serious? Basing any beliveable opinion on the junk they publish in that rag is, in my opinion, foolish.

Rick

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Re: Transition Tag for Olivier Vernon
Posted by: dolphaholic ()
Date: March 06, 2016 04:01PM

Bleacher report or not, Ian Wharton is one of the best out there, check him out on Twitter, very informative

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Re: Transition Tag for Olivier Vernon
Posted by: JoeFootball ()
Date: March 07, 2016 04:27AM

dgoodhue Wrote:
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> The Salary cap charge is $6.2M. Miami is paying
> Dion Jordan $3.2M, most of which is a roster
> bonus. This is a contract year for Jordan so maybe
> he will bring his A game.

Miami is paying him $6.2m. $2.9m of that has already been paid. The $3.2M will be paid this year.

Depending on what happens with Jordan, we may get credit back to our cap. For instance, he will have to pass up to 10 drug tests per month. If he cannot do that, he will be given an indefinite suspension and will be released by Miami. At that point they will collect the $3.35 million in past signing bonus and they’ll get a salary-cap credit.

Also, this is not a contract year for him because he earned no credit for 2015....meaning we still own his rights for two more years.

The one thing I am unsure of is this....

He did not earn FA credit for 2015 or earn any of that money. He could be playing 2016 for his 2015 money. That would be $5.2M instead of the $6.3M

He was suspended 6 games in 2014. I'm not sure if that is enough to accrue a full season of FA credit.

He made $13.7M in 2013, $1.2M in 2014 and 585k in 2015.

It's all very confusing.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 03/07/2016 04:34AM by JoeFootball.

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Re: Transition Tag for Olivier Vernon
Posted by: JoeFootball ()
Date: March 07, 2016 04:33AM

dolphan4545 Wrote:
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> "Wonder if OV's imminent departure increases the
> chances that Dion Jordan returns to the Dolphins?
> He's still under contract."
>
> I don't think that there is any doubt he WILL
> return, albeit on a very short leash. Whether he
> stays or not is another matter.

He has to be reinstated first and that cannot happen until April, I believe. For that to happen he will have to pass a drug test and then up to as many as 10 drug tests per month.

NOBODY has had any contact with him. Not management nor players.

The thing I am wondering is if the Dolphins security has had him under surveillance. That is not an uncommon thing in the NFL. If there is an optimism to be gained from this, it's that Miami has not gone after him for back money or released him. That sort of infers that they are getting good reports form security.

He would also have to be working out and in great shape.

I wonder how much of that 15.5 mil he has spent. That could be added motivation...but not necessarily for the right reason.

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Re: Transition Tag for Olivier Vernon
Posted by: JoeFootball ()
Date: March 08, 2016 05:17AM

Miami should rescind the transition tag so they get a 3rd round compensatory pick next year. Otherwise they get nothing if he leaves.

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Re: Transition Tag for Olivier Vernon
Posted by: jsm08 ()
Date: March 08, 2016 07:09AM

Well PFT is reporting we're the front runners to sign Mario Williams and it may happen today. If so I agree. Rescind OVs tag and get a comp pick.

I wouldn't get rid of Wake if we rescind it. I'd wait until the 2nd week of FA and get a reasonable priced FA DE to put a little pressure on him. Williams has played and produced on both ends.

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Re: Transition Tag for Olivier Vernon
Posted by: JoeFootball ()
Date: March 08, 2016 12:07PM

OV for $13M or Mario Williams for $8M? That's a pretty easy answer.

Rescind that tag now!

Williams sacks over last 4 years: 10, 13, 14.5, 5
Olivier Veron sacks: 3.5, 11.5, 6.5, 7.5

MW: 5 seasons over 10 sacks
OV: 1

Wake could be out anywhere ranging from week 1 to week 8. They will probably still sign William Hayes.

OV is likely going to Jax.

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Re: Transition Tag for Olivier Vernon
Posted by: dolphaholic ()
Date: March 08, 2016 01:22PM

They have to rescind the transition tag now, morons if they don't!

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Re: Transition Tag for Olivier Vernon
Posted by: JoeFootball ()
Date: March 08, 2016 02:09PM

Teams cannot even talk to OV until tomorrow so it's highly likely they rescind. Also signing Williams does not count against us for comp picks since he was cut.

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Re: Transition Tag for Olivier Vernon
Posted by: jsm08 ()
Date: March 09, 2016 12:56AM

And neither does the trade so it will depend on how much we spend starting a 4 today as to what we would receive.

If we don't go hog wild Miller and Vernon would probably net us a 3r or 4th and a 6th next year. Comp picks also become tradable next year.

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Re: Transition Tag for Olivier Vernon
Posted by: JoeFootball ()
Date: March 09, 2016 05:28AM

Dolphins have RESCINDED the transition tag!

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Re: Transition Tag for Olivier Vernon
Posted by: dgoodhue ()
Date: March 09, 2016 09:39AM

It is being reported that Jacksonville is going to sign him to 4 year/ 75.5M deal. Yikes!

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Re: Transition Tag for Olivier Vernon
Posted by: jsm08 ()
Date: March 09, 2016 09:53AM

If that's the case we'll definitely get a 3rd round comp pick.

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Re: Transition Tag for Olivier Vernon
Posted by: JoeFootball ()
Date: March 09, 2016 09:55AM

They must be bat shit crazy! That's $18.8M per year.

I really don't get what they are trying to do there. They are running the 4-3 under and already have....

LDE Jared Odrick
DT Tyson Alualu (just resigned for two yrs)
UT Roy Miller
RDE/LEO Donte Fowler

They also have Sen'Derrick marks coming back as DT or UT.

Now they have signed Malik Jackson to take over for Alualu I presume and will have OV as the LEO in addition to the #3 overall pick from 2015. They also have Mike Bennett from Ohio State 2015.

They must be getting ready to release some D-linemen.

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Re: Transition Tag for Olivier Vernon
Posted by: JoeFootball ()
Date: March 09, 2016 10:13AM


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Re: Transition Tag for Olivier Vernon
Posted by: captkoi ()
Date: March 09, 2016 12:49PM

JoeFootball Wrote:
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> They must be bat shit crazy! That's $18.8M per
> year.
>
> I really don't get what they are trying to do
> there. They are running the 4-3 under and already
> have....
>
> LDE Jared Odrick
> DT Tyson Alualu (just resigned for two yrs)
> UT Roy Miller
> RDE/LEO Donte Fowler
>
> They also have Sen'Derrick marks coming back as DT
> or UT.
>
> Now they have signed Malik Jackson to take over
> for Alualu I presume and will have OV as the LEO
> in addition to the #3 overall pick from 2015. They
> also have Mike Bennett from Ohio State 2015.
>
> They must be getting ready to release some
> D-linemen.

******************************************************

Signed with the Giants.

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Re: Transition Tag for Olivier Vernon
Posted by: dgoodhue ()
Date: March 09, 2016 02:06PM

dgoodhue Wrote:
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> It is being reported that Jacksonville is going to
> sign him to 4 year/ 75.5M deal. Yikes!


ESPN got fooled on that fake tweet, but the final contract wasn't far off either. 5 years $85M with 52.5M is crazy money.

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