We didn't pick a QB in the 1,2 rounds when we had No QB. What makes you think they will now? LOL!

GO DOLPHINS!!!!

Probably get a QB in the 3rd or 4th round.

I'd like to see some new blood and shit can Matt Moore. Tebow. ...... he would be a positive effect on Tannehill.

GO DOLPHINS!!!!

I think Tannehill was kind of ruined by who was in charge of the coaching and his growth as a QB was stunted terribly, it's not too late for him to make a change and get more of his mind into it, but like its been said 100000 times..with this supporting cast not even Marino would be a winner.

I think Tanny got paid too early. And Ross should have kept his big mouth shut instead of saying "I hope we can retire your number some day". The dude hardly even played in college and was anointed as soon as he got here. I think he could get better provided he has a really good QB coach, because he really could use the help. He does have his moments both good and bad.

I bet the Redskins are pretty happy that they drafted Cousins along with RG3 for insurance. I think Miami should draft another QB, but this front office can't draft worth a $hit. Can't even find linemen or linebackers let alone have an eye for talent at a skilled position such as QB. I remember guessing to myself that Garrapolo would be a good pick and sure enough, the Pats took him. They know what to look for with a QB's mechanics.

take a qb in the 3rd or 4th the next couple years and let the new staff develop them and compete for the job.

the phins problem is they think they have to reach for one in the 1st round.

Phins5.0 Wrote:
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> We didn't pick a QB in the 1,2 rounds when we had
> No QB. What makes you think they will now? LOL!
>
> When was this?
>
> From what I see from the Dolphins is that they do
> continually think they have their QB and fans,
> like you with Tannehill, have continually
> supported that notion.
>
> When was it that the Dolphins had "no QB"?
>
> Fiedler? Wannstedt thought he was good enough and
> so did at least half of the fanbase.
>
> Now, there was a period time after Fiedler, where
> we went to Feeley and Ferotte and Harrington. But
> we traded a 2nd round pick for Feeley. Then we
> went and got what the team thought was the best
> damaged FA QB in Culpepper. Then Pennington, then
> Henne, and now Tannehill.
>
> There's only been a brief window where I would say
> that it was universally recognized that this team
> had "no qb". The rest of the time, they think
> they've got a QB that is "good enough", just like
> they do now.




Lets see: Jay Fiedler, Damon Huard, Ray Lucas, Brian Griese, AJ Feeley, Sage Rosenfels, Gus Frerotte, Joey Harrington, Daunte Culpepper, Cleo Lemon, Trent Green, John Beck, Chad Pennington, Chad Henne, Tyler Thigpen, Matt Moore


What do all of these QB's have in common? First off NONE were 1st round picks , so that there kind of proves my point, a few were second and amounted to nothing, and the rest were other teams garbage we decided to pick like an American picker in a trash can. But you know what NONE of them accomplished ?

Dolphins franchise records:

Most passing completions in a single season: 392 (2014)
Most passing completions in a rookie season, 282 (2012)
Highest completion percentage, career: 61.9 (2012-2014)
Highest completion percentage in a single season: 66.4 (2014) (Min. 500 attempts)
Most passing yards in a rookie season, 2012 (3,294 yards)
Most passing attempts in a rookie season, 2012 (484)
Longest rush by a quarterback, 2013 (48 yards)
Longest rush by a rookie quarterback, 2012 (31 yards)
Most consecutive pass completions by an NFL Quarterback, 2015 (25 completions)


Yeah yeah I know. he also never made it to the playoffs. Well Jay Fielder and Chad Pennington did but they didnt get very far did they? AND none of them , including Dan Marino has ever won a superbowl in 43 yrs. So really whats your point?

AND Ryan has stayed reasonably healthy , despite being sacked more then any QB, he has class and has represented this team better then most on and off the field.

The guy needs a decent head coach who cares. He needs coaches to help him AND stability. We have now had 2 OC fired during his tenure and how many wide receivers!!?

5.0 relax and join the conversation. But you don't own it.

GO DOLPHINS!!!!

jsm08 Wrote:
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> take a qb in the 3rd or 4th the next couple years
> and let the new staff develop them and compete for
> the job.
>
> the phins problem is they think they have to reach
> for one in the 1st round.


LOL. They pick ONE QB in the first round since Dan Marino. Thats hardly a reach bro. And he is a damn fine QB. Just ask the Red skins how RGIII is working out. Its the team and the coaching staff and the draft picks that have been subpar.

GO DOLPHINS!!!!

toko34 Wrote:
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> I think Tannehill was kind of ruined by who was in
> charge of the coaching and his growth as a QB was
> stunted terribly, it's not too late for him to
> make a change and get more of his mind into it,
> but like its been said 100000 times..with this
> supporting cast not even Marino would be a winner.


BAM!! get this guy a beer! You get it Toko. Tom Brady took off in the system he was in. The chemistry was right for his skill set at that time on that team with those players. It was a perfect storm. You stick Tannehill anywhere he could just take off. His skill set is there if he is matched with the right coach and the right players at the right time.

Look at what he does best and build a Team around that. Then really build a great defense around that because as Dan Marino's career proves you cant win scoring 45 points a game , if your defense gives up 46.

Ryan Tannehill wont ever be the next Marino. or do I want him to be. But he can be a great QB in his own right with the right coaching, mentality and players around him. Easily a Tanehill led team can fight for a Superbowl with a Killer defense and a better OLine. I'm sure of it.

GO DOLPHINS!!!!

TreasurecoastPhinsfan Wrote:
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> toko34 Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I think Tannehill was kind of ruined by who was
> in
> > charge of the coaching and his growth as a QB
> was
> > stunted terribly, it's not too late for him to
> > make a change and get more of his mind into it,
> > but like its been said 100000 times..with this
> > supporting cast not even Marino would be a
> winner.
>
>
> BAM!! get this guy a beer! You get it Toko. Tom
> Brady took off in the system he was in. The
> chemistry was right for his skill set at that time
> on that team with those players. It was a perfect
> storm. You stick Tannehill anywhere he could just
> take off. His skill set is there if he is matched
> with the right coach and the right players at the
> right time.
>
> Look at what he does best and build a Team around
> that. Then really build a great defense around
> that because as Dan Marino's career proves you
> cant win scoring 45 points a game , if your
> defense gives up 46.
>
> Ryan Tannehill wont ever be the next Marino. or do
> I want him to be. But he can be a great QB in his
> own right with the right coaching, mentality and
> players around him. Easily a Tanehill led team can
> fight for a Superbowl with a Killer defense and a
> better OLine. I'm sure of it.


I can relate to this/these posts. Good coaching and supporting cast could work wonders for Ryan. What's really sad is if he were to put up 400yds and 4 td's each game for the rest of this season, this team would probably still lose every game thanks to having a defense that's downright shameful and embarrassing.

QB coach - The right QB coach for Ryan is essential. I can't say that Zac Taylor was that good of a QB coach, but it might help Ryan for Taylor to coordinate the offense right now since he knows Ryan's capabilities, strengths, and weaknesses...Or at least he should!

808phan Wrote:
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>
>
>
> I can relate to this/these posts. Good coaching
> and supporting cast could work wonders for Ryan.
> What's really sad is if he were to put up 400yds
> and 4 td's each game for the rest of this season,
> this team would probably still lose every game
> thanks to having a defense that's downright
> shameful and embarrassing.
>


Thank you.

GO DOLPHINS!!!!

Kevin Hogan in the 3rd or 4th or take a look at Chase Daniel or Aaron Murray if available and Austin Davis as a backup

If one is available and falls to us I wouldn't be against it. Best case scenario, we are in a situation like SD a few years ago with Rivers and Brees. Otherwise we have an insurance policy. I'd take one in the first round if the value was there.

All that being said, Tannehill has had shit for coaches his entire career.

First the "Go-Go" ridiculousness, followed by a season of growth under a gimmicky offense. The rest of the NFL figured out how to defend it and now it is obsolete. Now he has an under-qualified QB coach to lead him.....

Get the man a real coach and system for craps sake. Find a DT besides Suh and some LB's that know how to tackle.

Stupid wasted pick for a QB. We have glaring holes to fill on that Oline and CB. Not going to happen. Free agent scrub? Possibly.

GO DOLPHINS!!!!

9/19/86/1 vs the 19th ranked pass defense with the 17th rank pass rush????

That's pretty sad when the only think lacking on offense is two quality guards. I can't figure out why they cannot convert a damn 3rd down to save their lives.

So...is it Tannehill or the coaching?

If we don't run the ball yesterday, we lose that game.

I think RT would be better in a competent offense with actual coaching but am I willing to bet the future on it if a franchise QB falls in my lap? No.

Chances are that all the good QB's will be gone by the time we pick at 15 (AGAIN) so it's probably a moot point. Although, chances are also pretty good that the top CB, DT, DE, LB and OL will be gone as well. 8-8 here we come.

toko34 Wrote:
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> I think Tannehill was kind of ruined by who was in
> charge of the coaching and his growth as a QB was
> stunted terribly, it's not too late for him to
> make a change and get more of his mind into it,
> but like its been said 100000 times..with this
> supporting cast not even Marino would be a winner.

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I wouldn't say RT was "ruined," but I would say he was "stunted."

The HC and OC's didn't really have a clue. RT has certain skill sets, which were rarely used. They used his running skills a few times and it was very successful...then they went away from it and never went back. I understand they don't want RT to get hurt, but he knows how to run and when to get down. He has been getting crushed (since he joined the team) in the pocket, so he would probably be safer running. Isn't RT the most sacked QB in the NFL since he started?

With Campbell and Taylor running the show, RT has been allowed input to the game plan and also a little more freedom to audible. This should help him grow in the game and improve over what he has already improved on.

Marino is in a class by himself, but even Danny wouldn't get this team very far. He would probably have this team with a winning record most years, but would not be able to get them to the SB, but then again, it would depend on who the coach was. If we are talking the same people we have had the past 4-5 years, then not much success from Marino, either.

jlyell13 Wrote:
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> Kevin Hogan in the 3rd or 4th or take a look at
> Chase Daniel or Aaron Murray if available and
> Austin Davis as a backup

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Wow. Any of those guys you mentioned starters? Except for Murray, I believe all of them had their chances and it didn't work out, which is why they are backups, and you want them to be starters for the Dolphins over a guy who has been setting Dolphins (and NFL) records since he got here?

OK.

JoeFootball Wrote:
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> If one is available and falls to us I wouldn't be
> against it. Best case scenario, we are in a
> situation like SD a few years ago with Rivers and
> Brees. Otherwise we have an insurance policy. I'd
> take one in the first round if the value was
> there.
>
> All that being said, Tannehill has had shit for
> coaches his entire career.
>
> First the "Go-Go" ridiculousness, followed by a
> season of growth under a gimmicky offense. The
> rest of the NFL figured out how to defend it and
> now it is obsolete. Now he has an under-qualified
> QB coach to lead him.....
>
> Get the man a real coach and system for craps
> sake. Find a DT besides Suh and some LB's that
> know how to tackle.

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I would also say to take that QB in the first if one fell to us, but as of right now (because this team just won another game) they have dropped down too far to get that QB that could take RT's job.

Yes, I know, Marino fell to us, but that scenario is rare. There are no Marino's, Elways, etc., in this year's draft. There are some good QBs that "may" possibly be future starters, but where Miami will be drafting...no such luck. The rest will be backups.

But Joe, as you are well aware, it is a waste of time pointing out RT's positives on this board. As another poster said, RT could throw 400 yards and 4 TDs every game from here on out and the Fins would still not win, and...our posters would still be on his case.

JoeFootball Wrote:
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> 9/19/86/1 vs the 19th ranked pass defense with the
> 17th rank pass rush????
>
> That's pretty sad when the only think lacking on
> offense is two quality guards. I can't figure out
> why they cannot convert a damn 3rd down to save
> their lives.
>
> So...is it Tannehill or the coaching?
>
> If we don't run the ball yesterday, we lose that
> game.
>
> I think RT would be better in a competent offense
> with actual coaching but am I willing to bet the
> future on it if a franchise QB falls in my lap?
> No.
>
> Chances are that all the good QB's will be gone by
> the time we pick at 15 (AGAIN) so it's probably a
> moot point. Although, chances are also pretty good
> that the top CB, DT, DE, LB and OL will be gone as
> well. 8-8 here we come.

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Yeah, as I mentioned in another post, with yesterday's win, we have dropped in the draft to where that "difference maker" will not be there, unless lightning somehow strikes.

Hopefully, we can fill some of those holes through FA.

The majority of the season I felt that OL (more specifically OG) was Miami's #1 need, but I have changed my mind and feel that CB needs to be number 1. Grimes is good, but age and height have put him to where he should not be the main guy back there. Problem is, Miami has no one else that can play the other side. I know you mentioned, Joe, that a quality CB probably won't be there when Miami picks, but depending on who else is available, a CB needs to be taken.

As much as I don't want to do it, I think it's about time to cut ties with Grimes if he is not willing to restructure his deal.

He's 33 years old and seems to fade at the end of the season. He certainly did last year (last 6 games) and he has been inconsistent towards the end of this year. Guys at that age/position don't get better.

That's 9.5 mil in cap space under the current deal. I would keep him but for about half of what he is scheduled to make.

CB is a huge need.

Just when I start to think Campbell "gets it", he goes and makes a comment praising Earl Mitchell. I'm not sure what his infatuation is with the guy other than being a hard worker but EM has done nothing since being here other than kill our run defense.

The FO made a huge mistake in 2014 by not resigning Paul Soliai and going after Mitchell. He is still producing for Atlanta this year and would have stayed here for less money than the 6 mil he is getting in ATL. Mitchell is making 4 mil on the average.

Two of our biggest needs, IMO (CB & DT) ....but we have many.

Since we will probably have our usually mid round pick, our best shot may be for a MLB since teams usually don't take them high. Myles Jack or Jaylon Smith could be "difference makers".

I have no confidence in this front office to be able to find an o-lineman in the draft so we should just sign one (Osemele) after we cut about 25 mil in cap space/dead weight.

I don't trust our front office to do anything.

CB and Oline. We need to help Ryan score by giving him time, and we need corners to help keep defenses from scoring more.

GO DOLPHINS!!!!

why don't you make excuses for anyone but tannehill?

jamil douglas is a rookie. maybe he needs better players around him? Maybe our guards need a center and/or Qb that can recognize a blitz and put them in the right protection. Maybe our Qb can have better pocket awareness and avoid the rush once in a while. Maybe our WRs need a QB that doesn't telegraph every pass?

Jamar Taylor could be a good corner if the front 4 could get consistent pressure. Maybe he just needs better coaching.

Maybe our d just needs an offense that can score more than 14 pts/game or isn't counted on to win every game.

I don't know. Why don't you stop trolling?

" Maybe our guards need a center ..... that can recognize a blitz and put them in the right protection"

JSM08 I have been pointing this out for years. Pouncey has not developed into a cerebral center. He plays with the same strenghts (pulling to the left) and weaknesses (no leadership, no defensive recognition) that he came into the league with.

Dallas Thomas and Turner have actually improved this year but its like their improvement is occuring naturally (slowly not from coaching). Same with Taylor, Tannehill(some throws you just have to make coaching will not help) and others on this team. Again Im getting back to the coaching staff not having enough nfl experience to mold these guys into nfl players (excluding Campbell w/ the T-ends).

This why this team has so many holes for so many years at positions qb, safety opposite jones, cb opposite of Grimes, G etc. Why we insert players into our 'schemes' and they stink. Tight ends always looked good Clay, Fasano, Sims is developing ...

Its coaching.

jsm08 Wrote:
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> jamil douglas is a rookie. maybe he needs better
> players around him? Maybe our guards need a
> center and/or Qb that can recognize a blitz and
> put them in the right protection. Maybe our Qb
> can have better pocket awareness and avoid the
> rush once in a while. Maybe our WRs need a QB
> that doesn't telegraph every pass?
>
> Jamar Taylor could be a good corner if the front 4
> could get consistent pressure. Maybe he just
> needs better coaching.
>
> Maybe our d just needs an offense that can score
> more than 14 pts/game or isn't counted on to win
> every game.

Trolling? Every excuse in the book for our QB and never one for any other position.

Getting a CB or LB isn't going to help tanne.

First and foremost we need an NFL experienced staff. Second we need some competition for our QB.

I think coaching fixes a lot of our problems. Sure we need upgrades but drafting for needs has gotten us to where we are now. We need difference makers.

jsm08 Wrote:
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> Trolling? Every excuse in the book for our QB and
> never one for any other position.

That's not accurate but what one has nothing to do with the other.

I just find myself responding to irrational arguments that put all the problems of the Dolphins at Tannehill's feet....and correcting inaccurate statements about him. Too many on this board want to ignore poor play by half the team and blame Tannehill because he can't bail them out. Too many short-sided arguments around here.

> Getting a CB or LB isn't going to help tanne.

Not as much as better line play, play calling, coaching but...actually a better DEFENSE helps the ENTIRE team, not just Tannehill...As would running the ball. Both take pressure off the QB.

>
> First and foremost we need an NFL experienced
> staff. Second we need some competition for our
> QB.

I guess I was making excuses for Tannehill when I said we should draft a QB this year....and called him out for a poor performance last week ????

>
> I think coaching fixes a lot of our problems.
> Sure we need upgrades but drafting for needs has
> gotten us to where we are now. We need difference
> makers.

There are many problems to be fixed and it starts at the top. We have mediocre to poor talent acquisition, coaches who don't game plan to the players strength and too many backups who should not be starting.

Where did I say anything about drafting for need? I believe I just made several posts about taking BPA.

The only issue here is that I don't expect RT to be something he's not. I'm not expecting him to be Marino or Rodgers. In case some of you haven't figured it out, there aren't enough QB's to go around. you don't just run out and get one like shopping for a spare tire.

I believe a more balanced TEAM is needed. That means from FO to kick returner. And yes, I believe a better run team could win with Tannehill.

Why do you think Wake and Suh were invisible for the first 4 weeks? COACHING. Did great players suddenly get bad? NO.

Why do you think The Dolphins are 0-7 on the season when Miller has fewer than 13 carries in a game and are 4-0 when he has at least 13 carries? COACHING/BAD OFFENSIVE GAME PLAN

If you don't think Tannehill (as well as many other players) have been severely affected by poor management and coaching, you're not paying attention. Same goes if you think Tannehill is our #1 problem.