Looks like we gonna still keep looking for a franchise qb next year.

Tannehill is a wet firecracker.



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IMO the problem is we haven't been looking very hard. I posted this on another thread but it is applicable here:

...the last 12 superbowl winners: Brady, Brady, Roethlisberger, Manning(P), Manning(E), Roethlisberger, Brees, Rodgers, Manning(E), Flaco, Wilson and Brady.

Rodgers and Flaco were legitimate first round QB's that the Dolphins passed on in 2005 and 2008 because we were 'waiting for <insert scrubs name here> to develop' Wilson was passed on also, but that one is at least defensible since he wasn't on most peoples radar. Brees could have been picked up in 2006 thru free agency but our geniuses decided he was 'injured' and besides we were all set with Joey Harrington ...we passed. Peyton Manning was a free agent after 2011 EXACTLY at the time we were looking for a QB...we gave little more than a cursory look and seemingly he wasn't very interested. In short thats 3 and arguably 5 of the last 8 QB's to lead their team to a superbowl that COULD have been Dolphins.

If we had pursued a franchise QB for the last decade with the effort we have haplessly pursed the second coming of the 1993 Cowboys offensive line, we'd have one by now.



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Your wrong. First off I don't want another Dan Marino. I love Dan . I named my first son Daniel. But Dan didn't win championships. Last time I looked, Andrew Luck and RG III weren't doing too well either.

Tannehill is a great athlete and a person, but he has no Oline. He has a great center and that's about it. Every year its the same thing for him. This is the first year I do see it getting to him a bit though. Hopefully this new coach change will help. Al Saunders might have some fresh Ideas as well. Anything is better the Philbin.

GO DOLPHINS!!!!

Please....you are begging for another dan marino. Everybody here is.....


Id take dan marino and all of those playoff runs....as opposed to tannehill and missing the playoffs 4 years in a row....Make that 5 next year and 6 the next and so on.

Sitting here playing the "if only" and "what if" game gets us nowhere. Although I must say, even I as a wet behind the ears kid, knew that the Culpepper/Brees fiasco was heinous, Brees's injury notwithstanding.

No, I'm not begging for another Dan Marino. I'm begging for the owner, front office, and coaches to have even the slightest bit of forward thinking and help build a team around the most talented quarterback we've had SINCE Marino.

It took Peyton seven years to win a Superbowl, Brees eight years, Romo over ten to get to a championship game, and Tannehill has only been at this for three and a quarter. Let's take our hand off the eject button and see what he does with a proper supporting cast.

Quote: Sitting here playing the "if only" and "what if"


I think thats what a message board is for.


To discuss the issues.........We cant make no front office decisions can we?

Let me know if we can!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

samsam3738 Wrote:
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> Please....you are begging for another dan marino.
> Everybody here is.....
>
>
> Id take dan marino and all of those playoff
> runs....as opposed to tannehill and missing the
> playoffs 4 years in a row....Make that 5 next year
> and 6 the next and so on.

Take whatever you wish. Wish g or whatever you want. I'm going to stay in reality, in the here and now. And reality is we have a very capable young athletic QB in Ryan Tannehill inked for the forseeable future. If Campbell is as smart as he is energetic, he will sit down with him and ask him what he feels he needs to be successful.

GO DOLPHINS!!!!

TreasurecoastPhinsfan Wrote:
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> Your wrong. First off I don't want another Dan
> Marino. I love Dan . I named my first son Daniel.
> But Dan didn't win championships. Last time I
> looked, Andrew Luck and RG III weren't doing too
> well either.
>
> Tannehill is a great athlete and a person, but he
> has no Oline. He has a great center and that's
> about it. Every year its the same thing for him.
> This is the first year I do see it getting to him
> a bit though. Hopefully this new coach change will
> help. Al Saunders might have some fresh Ideas as
> well. Anything is better the Philbin.

PhinsUp_88 Wrote:
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> Sitting here playing the "if only" and "what if"
> game gets us nowhere. Although I must say, even I
> as a wet behind the ears kid, knew that the
> Culpepper/Brees fiasco was heinous, Brees's injury
> notwithstanding.
>
> No, I'm not begging for another Dan Marino. I'm
> begging for the owner, front office, and coaches
> to have even the slightest bit of forward thinking
> and help build a team around the most talented
> quarterback we've had SINCE Marino.
>
> It took Peyton seven years to win a Superbowl,
> Brees eight years, Romo over ten to get to a
> championship game, and Tannehill has only been at
> this for three and a quarter. Let's take our hand
> off the eject button and see what he does with a
> proper supporting cast.



Careful. That's a little too much common sense for some folks.

dolphan4545 Wrote:
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> This post is long on wishful thinking and woefully
> short on facts.
>
> "Brees could have been picked up in 2006 thru free
> agency but our geniuses decided he was 'injured'
> and besides we were all set with Joey Harrington."
>
> FACT: NOBODY really wanted Drew Brees in 2006,
> the newly-torn rotator cuff in his throwing arm
> was healing slowly and looked likely to end his
> short career. There were TWO QB's available at
> that time, the other was a previous year's Pro
> Bowl QB Daunte Culpeper, also injured with a knee
> injury. It was our doctors' and every other doctor
> that examined him opinion that Brees's shoulder
> was a mess, and also he wasn't a Pro Bowl-caliber
> QB at that time. Culpeper, on the other hand,
> seemed to be progressing nicely and had shown Pro
> Bowl talent with the Vikings, so we took him.
> Harrington was going or already gone. The Saints
> gave Brees a chance, not expecting much, and we
> all know how that turned out. With the info then
> available, would YOU have done anything different?
> Hindsight is 20/20.
>
> Peyton Manning? With his neck in that condition?
> With our offensive line? The possibility existed
> at that time that he would never play another down
> - it appeared likely that he could have been
> another Culpeper for us, even if he could be kept
> upright and alive.
>
> "If we had pursued a franchise QB for the last
> decade with the effort we have haplessly pursed
> the second coming of the 1993 Cowboys offensive
> line, we'd have one by now."
> What, a QB or an offensive line? We've spent a LOT
> of money and many draft choices on the O-line, and
> I can remember reading on this board, just before
> the draft, that the fans wanted another shiny new
> "skill" player, NOT an offensive lineman (who
> apparently don't have skills), or the team would
> be facing a revolt of the fans. They listened.
> They shouldn't have. How much better off would we
> be with another Mike Pouncey-caliber lineman than
> we are with Devante Parker?

Great points that make too much sense for some here.

The problem here isn't the theory of how we were built but the incompetence in WHICH it was built. Too many swings and misses on that o-line. Doesn't mean you give up.

I have no problem with the Parker pick even though I also wanted a lineman because I still think he was the BPA. There were no lineman of value at that pick. Better question IMO, why did Tannenbaum stick his big nose in a force the Jordan Phillips pick instead of grabbing Ali Marpet? Especially when he had already traded our 3rd for Stills.

We have a Qb we can win with. Hopefully DC sees our guards whiffing and makes a switch. Tannehill was WAY too stubborn in regards to that line.

TreasurecoastPhinsfan Wrote:
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> samsam3738 Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Please....you are begging for another dan
> marino.
> > Everybody here is.....
> >
> >
> > Id take dan marino and all of those playoff
> > runs....as opposed to tannehill and missing the
> > playoffs 4 years in a row....Make that 5 next
> year
> > and 6 the next and so on.
>
> Take whatever you wish. Wish g or whatever you
> want. I'm going to stay in reality, in the here
> and now. And reality is we have a very capable
> young athletic QB in Ryan Tannehill inked for the
> forseeable future. If Campbell is as smart as he
> is energetic, he will sit down with him and ask
> him what he feels he needs to be successful.

But I want a FANTASY QB. LOL

If Campbell is smart he will also bench some of these scrubs....Thomas, Sheppard, etc.

Philbin spent years sending the DOGS to the pound. Now it's time to get some back....

Sign Brandon Spikes if you have to...

Make a move on the o-line. If we don't have a guard who can do the job, go get one....but that's on TannenBOMB.

JoeFootball Wrote:
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> dolphan4545 Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > This post is long on wishful thinking and
> woefully
> > short on facts.
> >
> > "Brees could have been picked up in 2006 thru
> free
> > agency but our geniuses decided he was
> 'injured'
> > and besides we were all set with Joey
> Harrington."
> >
> > FACT: NOBODY really wanted Drew Brees in 2006,
> > the newly-torn rotator cuff in his throwing arm
> > was healing slowly and looked likely to end his
> > short career. There were TWO QB's available at
> > that time, the other was a previous year's Pro
> > Bowl QB Daunte Culpeper, also injured with a
> knee
> > injury. It was our doctors' and every other
> doctor
> > that examined him opinion that Brees's shoulder
> > was a mess, and also he wasn't a Pro
> Bowl-caliber
> > QB at that time. Culpeper, on the other hand,
> > seemed to be progressing nicely and had shown
> Pro
> > Bowl talent with the Vikings, so we took him.
> > Harrington was going or already gone. The
> Saints
> > gave Brees a chance, not expecting much, and we
> > all know how that turned out. With the info
> then
> > available, would YOU have done anything
> different?
> > Hindsight is 20/20.
> >
> > Peyton Manning? With his neck in that
> condition?
> > With our offensive line? The possibility
> existed
> > at that time that he would never play another
> down
> > - it appeared likely that he could have been
> > another Culpeper for us, even if he could be
> kept
> > upright and alive.
> >
> > "If we had pursued a franchise QB for the last
> > decade with the effort we have haplessly pursed
> > the second coming of the 1993 Cowboys offensive
> > line, we'd have one by now."
> > What, a QB or an offensive line? We've spent a
> LOT
> > of money and many draft choices on the O-line,
> and
> > I can remember reading on this board, just
> before
> > the draft, that the fans wanted another shiny
> new
> > "skill" player, NOT an offensive lineman (who
> > apparently don't have skills), or the team
> would
> > be facing a revolt of the fans. They listened.
> > They shouldn't have. How much better off would
> we
> > be with another Mike Pouncey-caliber lineman
> than
> > we are with Devante Parker?
>
> Great points that make too much sense for
> some here.
>
> The problem here isn't the theory of how we were
> built but the incompetence in WHICH it was built.
> Too many swings and misses on that o-line. Doesn't
> mean you give up.
>
> I have no problem with the Parker pick even though
> I also wanted a lineman because I still think he
> was the BPA. There were no lineman of value at
> that pick. Better question IMO, why did Tannenbaum
> stick his big nose in a force the Jordan Phillips
> pick instead of grabbing Ali Marpet? Especially
> when he had already traded our 3rd for Stills.
>
> We have a Qb we can win with. Hopefully DC sees
> our guards whiffing and makes a switch. Tannehill
> was WAY too stubborn in regards to that line.

You have BOTH GOT to be kidding...you're still on the 'any ol QB will do as long as we spend all our efforts on OLine' narrative??? Good grief! Five fat guys who can keep someone in front of them for 3-4 seconds AREN'T as hard to find as a franchise QB and SHOULDN'T be the focus of our efforts. The last 10 years should prove that beyond all doubt to ANY reasonable person. Other teams build serviceable Olines as an after thought. See how many 1st round linemen the Pats have. But then they have a QB. After WASTING our only overall # 1 pick in 50 years on that slug Long you're STILL not convinced. YOU HONESTLY believe MATT RYAN or JOE FLACO would NOT have helped this team win more games. You say we SHOULDNT give up after all the 1st Rd 'whiffs' On OLine but you are ready to give up after ONE at QB...



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KB Wrote:
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> You have BOTH GOT to be kidding...you're still on
> the 'any ol QB will do as long as we spend all our
> efforts on OLine' narrative??? Good grief!

Who said that? I often find that people exaggerate when they have no basis for an argument. NO ONE said any ole QB!

Five
> fat guys who can keep someone in front of them for
> 3-4 seconds AREN'T as hard to find as a franchise
> QB and SHOULDN'T be the focus of our efforts.

Now you're moving the goal post. We are saying you need more than JUST a QB. JUST a line, etc.

The
> last 10 years should prove that beyond all doubt
> to ANY reasonable person. Other teams build
> serviceable Olines as an after thought.

Brady has traditionally had an excellent line. Aaron Rodgers still does. Seattle had a good one and a running game AND a top defense. Giants beat NE because of their defense. Indy won the SB when their defense stepped up. It doesn't matter which order you do as long as you are successful in acquiring the talent.

See how
> many 1st round linemen the Pats have. But then
> they have a QB.

Rounds don't matter if you have a scouting staff than can find talent and a coaching staff that can develop them. We do not have either.

After WASTING our only overall #
> 1 pick in 50 years on that slug Long you're STILL
> not convinced.

Yes because one pick 8 years dictates the success of the team. Another example of terrible scouting and management.

YOU HONESTLY believe MATT RYAN or
> JOE FLACO would NOT have helped this team win more
> games. .

Matt Ryan played ok last year but his TEAM sucked! Won 4 games and 6 games over the last two years. That's worse than Miami!

Flacco is 1-3. Same as Tannehill.

>You say we SHOULDNT give up after all the
> 1st Rd 'whiffs' On OLine but you are ready to give
> up after ONE at QB..

That doesn't even make sense. I am ready to give up after a whiff at QB??? I don't think it was a whiff....



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 10/07/2015 04:59PM by JoeFootball.

"After WASTING our only overall #
> 1 pick in 50 years on that slug Long you're STILL
> not convinced. "
Jake Long was an excellent left tackle for 3 years until injuries ruined him. That happens in this league.

"The
> last 10 years should prove that beyond all doubt
> to ANY reasonable person. Other teams build
> serviceable Olines as an after thought. "
Not even close to being true.

"Matt Ryan played ok last year but his TEAM sucked! Won 4 games and 6 games over the last two years. That's worse than Miami!"
Yup. They have a lousy o-line, too.***EDIT***Update: They HAD a lousy line. They seem to be much better so far this year. So it CAN be done!***

Rick



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TreasurecoastPhinsfan Wrote:
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> KB Wrote:
> > You have BOTH GOT to be kidding...you're still
> on
> > the 'any ol QB will do as long as we spend all
> our
> > efforts on OLine' narrative??? Good grief!
> Five
> > fat guys who can keep someone in front of them
> for
> > 3-4 seconds AREN'T as hard to find as a
> franchise
> > QB and SHOULDN'T be the focus of our efforts.
> The
> > last 10 years should prove that beyond all
> doubt
> > to ANY reasonable person. Other teams build
> > serviceable Olines as an after thought. See
> how
> > many 1st round linemen the Pats have. But then
> > they have a QB. After WASTING our only overall
> #
> > 1 pick in 50 years on that slug Long you're
> STILL
> > not convinced. YOU HONESTLY believe MATT RYAN
> or
> > JOE FLACO would NOT have helped this team win
> more
> > games. You say we SHOULDNT give up after all
> the
> > 1st Rd 'whiffs' On OLine but you are ready to
> give
> > up after ONE at QB...
>
>
>
> LOL. RIght!? We had the best Oline in the game
> at one time with Jake Long. But No QB. Now we have
> a great QB and 4 yrs later they have never
> addressed that line short of Mike Pouncy.


??? When did I say that? I was making the point that drafting Long #1 overall was stupid. Haven't addressed it? James, Albert...the schoolyard sissy Martian?

>
> Oline and no QB didn't work. Good QB and No Oline
> hasn't done well.

We DON'T have a good QB thats the whole point.

>
> Lets maybe try......The Good QB AND Good Oline?
> Maybe that will turn him into a GREAT QB? You
> think?

We've been trying it the way a couple of you think it should be done for 10 years (or more). Spending draft picks and free agent money on OLine while coronating any QB who puts on a Dolphin Jersey as the next 'Franchise' Guy if ONLY he had a little help. In that time we are 62-86 .418 winng pct and have been in the playoffs exactly once, winning no games (interestingly that was the only year we had a healthy, serviceable NFL Q

But, whatever...I'M the idiot

Should have drafted Matt Ryan instead of Jake Long. I felt that way then and still do now. Thinking that Chad freaking Henne was the next franchise QB for the Dolphins was completely laughable, yet he was given the keys to the kingdom unopposed with all excuses granted to him until our backup QB took over due to injury - finally this organization saw the light and realized how badly Henne sucked.

So here we are in the Tannehill era now. He is Philbin, Mike Sherman & Jeff Ireland's boy. And all three of them are gone. Question is...how long will HE last? Would a new head coach from other than an inside hire want to inherit him, or would he want to choose his own QB? I read that there's language in his contract which makes it easy for the Dolphins to dump him next year.

I think it's up to him to control his own destiny looking ahead to 2016. I was finally able to watch a Phins game last week when they were in London. Up until then, I could only see bits and pieces on NFL Redzone. My observations are this - his accuracy is horrible. Coddling him during practice won't fix that issue and I'm hoping that coaching changes will help. This entire team needs to be motivated and coached better as this team as a whole looks like a hot mess.

Probably the worst thing you can do is go back over the draft.......we should have done this, or that. Its really a stupid thing to do. What is ......IS and you cant change it. What I think about what can we still do. That's why I was all for trading Dion Jordon while we still had the chance. It was still within our grasp. But some times......New England in particular seem to get all the breaks and always makes the right moves. WHY!!!? That's what needs to change.

I think it sucks that Ross had to be basically FORCED to finally fire Philbin. If not for Tannenbaum and the timing of the Bye he would still be coach. But lets stop going back in time and re vist drafts . just a waste of time and energy.

GO DOLPHINS!!!!

808phan Wrote:
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> Should have drafted Matt Ryan instead of Jake
> Long. I felt that way then and still do now.
> Thinking that Chad freaking Henne was the next
> franchise QB for the Dolphins was completely
> laughable, yet he was given the keys to the
> kingdom unopposed with all excuses granted to him
> until our backup QB took over due to injury -
> finally this organization saw the light and
> realized how badly Henne sucked.
>
> So here we are in the Tannehill era now. He is
> Philbin, Mike Sherman & Jeff Ireland's boy. And
> all three of them are gone. Question is...how long
> will HE last? Would a new head coach from other
> than an inside hire want to inherit him, or would
> he want to choose his own QB? I read that there's
> language in his contract which makes it easy for
> the Dolphins to dump him next year.
>
> I think it's up to him to control his own destiny
> looking ahead to 2016. I was finally able to watch
> a Phins game last week when they were in London.
> Up until then, I could only see bits and pieces on
> NFL Redzone. My observations are this - his
> accuracy is horrible. Coddling him during practice
> won't fix that issue and I'm hoping that coaching
> changes will help. This entire team needs to be
> motivated and coached better as this team as a
> whole looks like a hot mess.

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There has to be a better QB than RT out there to be able to make the change. I don't think there is one that is or will be available.

The whole team gets better and RT will, also.

I'm waiting to see what happens under Campbell and I must say that I am optimistic about the whole team as well as Tannehill.

I'm not paying too much attention to Tannehill's numbers at the moment, simply because the offense has been in pass-happy mode without benefit of balance or a gameplan as they keep falling behind so badly in the first quarter. This has been exacerbating their weaknesses along the OL, especially with Branden Albert < 100%.

My advice: keep watching the movie and let's discuss again at midseason.

OL has been pretty much replaced. Tannehill still bad. WR's replaced Tannehill still bad. OC replaced Tannehill still bad.... hmmmmm might be Tannehill.

dolphin Wrote:
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> OL has been pretty much replaced. Tannehill still
> bad. WR's replaced Tannehill still bad. OC
> replaced Tannehill still bad.... hmmmmm might be
> Tannehill.

*********************************************************

Yeah, OL has pretty much been replaced, but with what? Besides Pouncey and Albert (who has been out often), bad has replaced bad.

True, WRs have been replaced, and overall, they are a good group. However, how many drops do they have (and that includes the TE position)?

OC has not been replaced; it's still Lazor.

No one is arguing that RT can improve, and he, himself, will join the chorus. But, until the whole damn team improves, no one can point the finger at any one player.

Cap, I have a cousin who likes to tell long stories. Despite having known her all my life, my aunt, her mother, always has to remind me (when I start asking my cousin questions about what she is saying) that "that story has no end."

Talking to dolphin about how bad (or not) Tannehill is is a story that "has no end."

He hasn't posted in months, perhaps a year even, and when he comes back, his new post is like all of the other posts he has ever made, to criticize Tannehill. Yeah, I know I constantly criticized Philbin the same way but at least someone upstairs came to see I was right.

ChyrenB Wrote:
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> Cap, I have a cousin who likes to tell long
> stories. Despite having known her all my life,
> my aunt, her mother, always has to remind me (when
> I start asking my cousin questions about what she
> is saying) that "that story has no end."
>
> Talking to dolphin about how bad (or not)
> Tannehill is is a story that "has no end."
>
> He hasn't posted in months, perhaps a year even,
> and when he comes back, his new post is like all
> of the other posts he has ever made, to criticize
> Tannehill. Yeah, I know I constantly criticized
> Philbin the same way but at least someone upstairs
> came to see I was right.

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I hear ya, Chryen.

I had vowed (earlier) that I was done posting about RT, but although dolphin's post was built around RT, but including other positions, I thought I would chime in.

I hope that this is my last RT post (unless talking about the previously played game).

I do believe lazor is the SECOND OC with Tannehill, check the facts.

Chyrenb so you are saying Tannehill has been playing good this year?

I wanted to come back here to see if it was the same ole same ole and it is.

Believe me there are other sites where people question his play as well. many many people.

I do believe that yesterday in the 4th quarter with a huge lead and no pressure he played great and made great throws.

Like I said, "That story has no end." No point in me responding.