Brady 4 games.
Pats $1M and 1st & 4th round picks.

It's a setup so he can get it reduced to 2 games after appeal, IMO.

If it stays at 4 games, Brady's first game back will be @ Indianapolis in prime time, SNF.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 05/11/2015 12:52PM by JoeFootball.

I am little disappointed that Belichick wasn't punished... Sean Peyton was punished with a year suspension even though he didn't know about bountygate.. Goodell said he was suspended because he should have known what was going on, and ignorance was no excuse... Doesn't the same philosophy apply to Belichick?

-----------------------------------------------------------------
All things are subject to interpretation whichever interpretation prevails at a given time is a function of power and not truth.
Nietzsche

JoeFootball Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> It's a setup so he can get it reduced to 2 games
> after appeal, IMO.
>
> If it stays at 4 games, Brady's first game back
> will be @ Indianapolis in prime time, SNF.

How can he appeal without providing new evidence?

How can the NFL reduce it if he doesn't give up the texts he refused to provide? They'd be a laughing stock.


I doubt he appeals but if he does, and his appeal is only "pretty please with sugar on top..." then they ought to double it.

In someways Bellichek is being punished with drafts picks.

Now we get to see what the QB of the future looks like in NE. He better not be good.

I'm more then happy. I just wanted 1 official game suspension to brand the perfect golden boy directly. He is as deceitful as they come. He is used to just smiling and getting his way. 4 with draft picks!? Christmas in May!lol.......f belicheat. The Pats go 0-4 that will be payback enough.

GO DOLPHINS!!!!

I'm not as satisfied. I think that this is just like playing with loaded dice and Brady is one of the people loading the dice. I think that it is far too light for that kind of corruption of the game. I'd say at least half the season.

THE Truth Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> JoeFootball Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > It's a setup so he can get it reduced to 2
> games
> > after appeal, IMO.
> >
> > If it stays at 4 games, Brady's first game back
> > will be @ Indianapolis in prime time, SNF.
>
> How can he appeal without providing new evidence?
>
>
> How can the NFL reduce it if he doesn't give up
> the texts he refused to provide? They'd be a
> laughing stock.
>
>
> I doubt he appeals but if he does, and his appeal
> is only "pretty please with sugar on top..." then
> they ought to double it.

He can appeal on the ground that the penalty is excessive and not consistent with penalties for similar infractions. Minn doctored the balls by heating them last year and there was no penalty at all. SD used stickem and there was no penalty. The not cooperating plus prior history with spygate will end up at 2 games after an appeal. That's really the only basis for distinguishing these.

________________________________________________________
The beatings will continue until morale improves.

I thought 4 games is reasonable given the evidence, history and lack of cooperation. I actually don't think deflating the ball is a huge advantage but altering the ball after the official inspection is illegal. The text messages from deflator from last spring also suggests that this has going on for more than one season.

Brady could have been suspended for the super bowl and likely would have lost. The traded a chance for a Super Bowl win for 4 game suspension, 1st & 4th draft picks and 1 million.

It's funny to see the Boston fans go crazy over the suspension. They are acting like lawyer using that their isn't conclusive proof Brady is Guilty. Their is a mountain of circumstantial evidence and Brady and the team failed to cooperate, they got what they deserved.

NFL.com reports Troy Vincent's letter to Tom Brady which includes "Each player, no matter how accomplished and otherwise respected, has an obligation to comply with the rules and must be held accountable for his actions when those rules are violated and the public's confidence in the game is called into question."

Just one line, but the whole tone of the message was like reading the written equivalent of bacon-wrapped butter...unbelievably gratifying!

He's probably now my #2 favorite former Dolphin of all time.

This is not nearly a strong enough punishment. They are REPEAT OFFENDERS. The coach gets nothing? He is responsibe for, and to govern, the actions of every person under him. I'm not saying that he should be suspended but BB should be repremanded at least. Brady should have been suspended for the season, the two others should have been banned from the league forever.

As far as the franchise goes they should have lost a first and a second in each of the next two drafts, been fined $10 million, and lost the right to play in next seasons playoffs.

The penalty must be so severe that no other team would attempt to cheat.The "integrity of the game" as is being bandied arould lately..should trump all else.

And yes if this was the Dolphins, I'd be saying the same things.

In the end, I think Brady's suspension gets overturned on appeal and he certainly will appeal.



Edited 3 time(s). Last edit at 05/12/2015 05:19AM by Ken.

The punishment as specified by the NFL should not be reduced on appeal.

I don't believe so either. It's a fitting punishment for a player and team who did not cooperate fully. Miami cooperated when Wells investigated us....NE not so much. Browns did and well as Falcons. That's the reason I believe they will not shorten penalty. Appeal arbitrator per CBA is Roger Goddell or his appointee.

berkeley223 Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> THE Truth Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > JoeFootball Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > It's a setup so he can get it reduced to 2
> > games
> > > after appeal, IMO.
> > >
> > > If it stays at 4 games, Brady's first game
> back
> > > will be @ Indianapolis in prime time, SNF.
> >
> > How can he appeal without providing new
> evidence?
> >
> >
> > How can the NFL reduce it if he doesn't give up
> > the texts he refused to provide? They'd be a
> > laughing stock.
> >
> >
> > I doubt he appeals but if he does, and his
> appeal
> > is only "pretty please with sugar on top..."
> then
> > they ought to double it.
>
> He can appeal on the ground that the penalty is
> excessive and not consistent with penalties for
> similar infractions. Minn doctored the balls by
> heating them last year and there was no penalty at
> all. SD used stickem and there was no penalty. The
> not cooperating plus prior history with spygate
> will end up at 2 games after an appeal. That's
> really the only basis for distinguishing these.

I'm sorry, but I don't see the similarities between the SD and minn incidents. Granted, I know nothing about them, but the appear to be one off instances where the teams/players involved didn't fail to cooperate with the nfl in resolving the matter.

It's more along the lines of the falcons crowd noise issue and the Cleveland gm texting coaches during games last year.

Atlanta got docked a draft pick and farmer got a 4 game suspension. And they weren't repeat offenders.

If Brady simply goes in there and says "don't tase me bro!" without providing evidence of why he shouldn't be tased then the nfl is a joke if the reduce his penalty.

I didn't read the Wells report but I don't think they addressed whether this had been done on other occasions. Obviously it had been, but that was not part of the conclusion. By that token, I am sure warming up the balls on the sidelines/using stickem wasn't the first time MN and SD did that before. The incidents are similar--the only thing meriting a huge fine, suspension, and loss of draft picks was the failure to cooperate and repeat offender status. And I hate the Pats as much as the next guy but I find it hard to get up in arms about letting 1 psi of air out of a ball--it's the "coverup" and recidivism and arrogance that got them rightfully dinged.

________________________________________________________
The beatings will continue until morale improves.

It dosen't matter how big an issue deflating the balls really is...what is however, is that the league set rules for a reason and it provided a range of allowable pressures for the balls. This range provides for a players individual preference. To go outside of this range is cheating and its an affront to the game.

The problem with our society is that we all too often turn a blind eye to the rules if we think it's a small enough violation...thats BS.

The Pats got far less than they deserved...JMO.

Well said, Ken.

I'm not satisfied with the punishment. Seems like a slap on the wrist. And Goodell should remove himself as the NFL commissioner for being so buddy buddy with a team owner. Very unethical.

808phan Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> I'm not satisfied with the punishment. Seems like
> a slap on the wrist. And Goodell should remove
> himself as the NFL commissioner for being so buddy
> buddy with a team owner. Very unethical.

You do realize Goodell works for the owners right?