I thought both the safety and cb were expected to go before 14. In joes mock it looks like there's nothing worth taking if the dbs not worth it.

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THE Truth Wrote:
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> berkeley223 Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Wouldn't we have our pick of dbs in this
> scenario?
>
>
> Yes, but is there one worthy of being selected
> there?
>
> Joe thinks there's one CB, Trae Waynes. The one
> Safety anyone projects as a 1st rounder is the kid
> Collins from Alabama and he's a SS. We have
> Jones, we don't need a SS.
>
> As for Waynes...Jamar Taylor had better combine
> numbers acrtoss the board. I'm not wasting a 1st
> round pick on a guy who isn't as talented as the
> 3rd year CB I have on the roster now...but that is
> me.

I'm having second thoughts on the Trae Waynes selection. He is ranked high by some scouts but really doesn't have any impressive tape. I do think you are mistaken about better numbers across the board for Taylor.

Taylor 40: 4.39
Waynes 40: 4.31

Taylor vertical: 35"
Waynes vertical: 38"

Taylor does have better numbers in the other fields.

what do you all rank as our biggest need in this draft? I think we need a Guard but we can get one later. Big holes at WR, TE, LB, CB, FS, we could use some more DL as well. All things being equal what should we take in the first? If that Iowa OL is there I'd go that way, even tho I am sick of spending high picks on OL and he likely will not fall to 14

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THE Truth Wrote:
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> JoeFootball Wrote:
> > 1. TB: Jameis Winston
> > 2. Cle: Mariota (trade w Tenn)
> > 3. Jax: Dante Fowler
> > 4. OAK: Amari Cooper
> > 5. WASH: Vic Beasley
> > 6. NYG: Leonard Williams (trade w Jets)
> > 7. CHI: Kevin White
> > 8. ATL: Shane Ray
> > 9. NYJ: Todd Gurley (trade)
> > 10. STL: Davante Parker
> > 11. MINN: Brandon Scherff
> > 12: Ten: Dan Shelton (trade)
> > 13: NO: Randy Gregory
> > 14: MIA: ?????
>
>
> If I have to stay there and draft because nobody
> wants to trade up then its Malcom Brown or Alvin
> Dupree.

I think Brown fits the type they want and I like him.

Brown fills a need but not a pressing one. We do have Mitchell but hopefully brown would beat him out as a starter.

Dupree is great for the future but what about Vernon and Jordan? He doesn't fill an immediate need. It doesn't utilize what we have and address a need.

I would rather have Brown between the two but I also like La'el Collins to fill an immediate need. We have to have a LG and he could also fill in at tackle if needed. Same for DJ Humphries.

Both of them pay immediate dividends. Fix that line.

I have been hearing scouts say they like Landon Collins as a FS or SS. He ran well and has good hips...so they say. Not that I would pick him at 14 since we are getting Delmas back.

I think I would rather have a LG/OT in one and go after a WR in round 2 in this scenario.

JoeFootball Wrote:
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> THE Truth Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > JoeFootball Wrote:
> > > 1. TB: Jameis Winston
> > > 2. Cle: Mariota (trade w Tenn)
> > > 3. Jax: Dante Fowler
> > > 4. OAK: Amari Cooper
> > > 5. WASH: Vic Beasley
> > > 6. NYG: Leonard Williams (trade w Jets)
> > > 7. CHI: Kevin White
> > > 8. ATL: Shane Ray
> > > 9. NYJ: Todd Gurley (trade)
> > > 10. STL: Davante Parker
> > > 11. MINN: Brandon Scherff
> > > 12: Ten: Dan Shelton (trade)
> > > 13: NO: Randy Gregory
> > > 14: MIA: ?????
> >
> >
> > If I have to stay there and draft because
> nobody
> > wants to trade up then its Malcom Brown or
> Alvin
> > Dupree.
>
> I think Brown fits the type they want and I like
> him.
>
> Brown fills a need but not a pressing one. We do
> have Mitchell but hopefully brown would beat him
> out as a starter.
>
> Dupree is great for the future but what about
> Vernon and Jordan? He doesn't fill an immediate
> need. It doesn't utilize what we have and address
> a need.
>
> I would rather have Brown between the two but I
> also like La'el Collins to fill an immediate need.
> We have to have a LG and he could also fill in at
> tackle if needed. Same for DJ Humphries.
>
> Both of them pay immediate dividends. Fix that
> line.
>
> I have been hearing scouts say they like Landon
> Collins as a FS or SS. He ran well and has good
> hips...so they say. Not that I would pick him at
> 14 since we are getting Delmas back.
>
> I think I would rather have a LG/OT in one and go
> after a WR in round 2 in this scenario.


I just think they are the two best players left with the highest upside.

I realize that dupree creates a logjam but I can always move Jordan to LB or try to trade Wake, who is going to get cut after this coming year anyway.

I agree. Brown is my first choice. He would be a beast next to SUh for the next 5 years.

Latest rumor affected mock.....

1. TB: Jemais Winston
2. SD: Marcus Mariota (trade Rivers to Ten)
3. Jax: Dante Fowler
4. Oak: Kevin White
5. Was: Leonard Williams
6. NYJ: Vic Beasley
7. Chi: Dan Shelton
8. ATL: Amari Cooper
9. NYG: Todd Gurley
10 STL: Brandon Scherff
11 Min: Davante Parker
12 Cle: Malcom Brown
13 NO: Shane Ray
14 Mia: La'el Collins

16 days to find out....

JoeFootball Wrote:
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> Latest rumor affected mock.....
>
> 1. TB: Jemais Winston
> 2. SD: Marcus Mariota (trade Rivers to Ten)
> 3. Jax: Dante Fowler
> 4. Oak: Kevin White
> 5. Was: Leonard Williams
> 6. NYJ: Vic Beasley
> 7. Chi: Dan Shelton
> 8. ATL: Amari Cooper
> 9. NYG: Todd Gurley
> 10 STL: Brandon Scherff
> 11 Min: Davante Parker
> 12 Cle: Malcom Brown
> 13 NO: Shane Ray
> 14 Mia: La'el Collins
>
> 16 days to find out....


I'd take Gregory if he fell to 14.

I couldn't care less about the pot. He's the best pass rusher in this class and I can use him at LB.

Would put me in a position to deal Jordan after this year.

I don't care about pot either but what I do care about is 4 game and 8 game suspensions for pot. Decision making ability.

JoeFootball Wrote:
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> I don't care about pot either but what I do care
> about is 4 game and 8 game suspensions for pot.
> Decision making ability.


Is he undraftable because the school had to suspend him for a positive test or face stiffer penalties?

To each their own, but pot is a non issue for me unless he's selling it to minors.

This kid is one hell of a football player. I'd roll the dice if he fell that far and be happy as hell that he did.

Like I said, It's not a non issue when he gets suspended and misses games like Jordan did last year, Ricky, etc.

Need to eliminate as many ???? as you can for a 1st round pick. We need instant impact and he raised the question AND for a guy whose closest comparison is Dion Jordan...no thanks.

We need a starting G/T and WR AND DT more than a 235 lb 43 DE.

The question mark isn't from smoking pot. It's...

Why couldn't he stop for 30 days prior to combine?
Why isn't he smart enough to pass the test like the rest of the NFL players?
Is football not important enough to him? millions of dollars?

JoeFootball Wrote:
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> Like I said, It's not a non issue when he gets
> suspended and misses games like Jordan did last
> year, Ricky, etc.


All I said is its a non issue for me.

In another 5years it's going to be legal in most or all of the country. They have already rated the levels for constitutes a positive test in this cba and they probably won't even test for it in the next CBA.


>
> Need to eliminate as many ???? as you can for a
> 1st round pick. We need instant impact and he
> raised the question AND for a guy whose closest
> comparison is Dion Jordan...no thanks.

He's a monster and will have an immediate impact. He can play olb in our system and be used as a pass rusher like Bruce Irvin on 3rd down.

>
> We need a starting G/T and WR AND DT more than a
> 235 lb 43 DE.
>

I'm not drafting for need unless it's close.

Gregory is an elite talent. Maybe the last elite talent on the board if your mock plays out.

I'm not passing on that for the 4th best wr, a dt not named Shelton or brown, or a guard.



> The question mark isn't from smoking pot. It's...
>
> Why couldn't he stop for 30 days prior to
> combine?


He said he hadn't smoked since December. You can still get a positive test for 90 days.



> Why isn't he smart enough to pass the test like
> the rest of the NFL players?
> Is football not important enough to him? millions
> of dollars?


Kids make dumb mistakes. Doesn't mean they can't play football. Just ask Warren Sapp.

THE Truth Wrote:
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> JoeFootball Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Like I said, It's not a non issue when he gets
> > suspended and misses games like Jordan did last
> > year, Ricky, etc.
>
>
> All I said is its a non issue for me.

Makes no sense but ok.

>
> In another 5years it's going to be legal in most
> or all of the country. They have already rated
> the levels for constitutes a positive test in this
> cba and they probably won't even test for it in
> the next CBA.

Ok. In 5 years, when it's legal for the US AND NFL. I will draft him.

> > Need to eliminate as many ???? as you can for a
> > 1st round pick. We need instant impact and he
> > raised the question AND for a guy whose closest
> > comparison is Dion Jordan...no thanks.
>
> He's a monster and will have an immediate impact.
> He can play olb in our system and be used as a
> pass rusher like Bruce Irvin on 3rd down.

Seriously? We already have one of those and they are not putting him at OLB. I don't see them drafting a lighter Dion Jordan and trying to figure out what to do with him. We don't run a 4-3 under defense like Seattle.

And Dion Jordan was the 3-5th overall best talent in 2013...monster, freak, etc. with limited production.

> > We need a starting G/T and WR AND DT more than
> a
> > 235 lb 43 DE.
> >
>
> I'm not drafting for need unless it's close.

Unfortunately we have enough needs it won't matter. There will be guys there in a position of need who are worthy AND can contribute on a full time basis.

>
> Gregory is an elite talent. Maybe the last elite
> talent on the board if your mock plays out.

Yes...just like Dion. Gregory is not even on the top 40 list in sacks. Where is the production? He is another projection as a 4-3 DE. 238 lbs spells 3-4 OLB.

>
> I'm not passing on that for the 4th best wr, a dt
> not named Shelton or brown, or a guard.

4th best WR? me either. Actually, Arik Armstead is rated higher than every DT not named Shelton by most scouts. Guard is a different story. Especially when he can play tackle... Maybe even beat James out for the job and push him inside. You want to get an accurate look at Tannehill? Give him a legit shot to turn the corner....fix the line and stop messing around with 3rd round draft picks. Want to see Lamar Miller rush for 1500 and 10? Fix the line.

> > The question mark isn't from smoking pot.
> It's...
> >
> > Why couldn't he stop for 30 days prior to
> > combine?
>
>
> He said he hadn't smoked since December. You can
> still get a positive test for 90 days.

Not smart enough to pass it....hundreds NFL players do it every year. Even Aaron Hernandez was smart enough to pass it.

> > Why isn't he smart enough to pass the test like
> > the rest of the NFL players?
> > Is football not important enough to him?
> millions
> > of dollars?
>
>
> Kids make dumb mistakes. Doesn't mean they can't
> play football. Just ask Warren Sapp.

Is he out of jail? Different time....different era.

Your using future "might be" and "what if" reasoning for drafting a "tweener" today. Pot is not legal. You do get suspended for it. He already starts ON PROBATION. That means more drug tests than just once a year.

What is it with you and drafting guys with issues? LOL First it was Gurley and now Gregory? If we were already a playoff team with only a few holes and a slew of draft picks I may consider a gamble here and there. Everyone wants the sexy picks.

When you can methodically fix the issues and dynamically change the team by addressing needs, I think you have to do it.

CB, WR and LG are immediate NEEDS. Everything else is a "want". We don't fill those needs and we are screwed. We stay the same and stay 8-8. We are not screwed without a projected DE. Dion Jordan has as much chance to make an impact as Gregory in 2015. We are already locked into him with no shot of trade or release due to the 1st round contract. Why make that commitment for his twin brother for the next 4 years?

Only one way to tell and that's when the season starts. I'm banking on a dominant LG/RT to give us a complete and top 5 line.

Trade down is the move in this scenario.

1 OT
2 WR
3 CB

OUr current WRs are landry, stills, matthews, hazel, laron byrd, michael preston, and tyler mcdonald.

TE: Cameron, Sims, Lynch and a couple of camp bodies.

That scares exactly no one.

I'd stay at 14 and take Parker and double down in the second if DBG is there at our pick.

This is a passing league and we're setting our potential franchise QB up for failure.

If we don't address WR we'll be seeing a lot of 8 man fronts this year.

What jsm said.

WR is our largest need right now and should be our pick at 14, followed by OL or LB in the second round....JMO.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 04/17/2015 09:06PM by Ken.

The more I think about it, the more I think they SHOULD be able to find that starting LG in round 2. We just finally need that ridiculous draft where we land the stars. No reason they shouldn't be able to find a stud LG in 2. We need BPA in round 1 from CB, WR. LB is not a huge need IMO unless you can find that franchise 3 down MLB....Not sure there is one this year.

I agree about getting a guard in the 2nd, Ali Marpet? And for BPA in the 1st I would add a top D-lineman if all the top WR/CB's are already off the board. I think it's easier said than done, but a trade down would be ideal this year.

Our starting WR roster will change after the draft through FA. I don't see us drafting a wideout at 14. Just a hunch. I think they draft OL and sign a vet WR. Just a guess.

I think that depends on which WR falls to 14. If we get Parker, there is less need for Jennings. IF we end up taking a WR in the 2nd round, we are more likely to sign Jennings, IMO.

Some teams have Devante Parker rated higher than Cooper and White.