Why do you disagree with ALL the scouts on Waynes at CB? and don't tell me about Dennard. Different players. Everyone has him in the top 10 or 15.

Dupree is gone in that scenario but most have him in the 20's.

If I gave Gurley a perfect 10, I would give Gordan a 9. The next best is a 7.3.

I just have a feeling about Cooper. He is ready day one. I love White too but every year a guy comes in and blazes at the combine and everyone falls in love and then guys like Reggie Wayne, DeAndre Hopkins, Demarius Thomas drop when GM's should have just gone with their first instinct. There were 5 WR's taken ahead of Wayne and the next best was Santana Moss. The others were out of the league rather quickly.

For me there is little separation between the two. It's like picking between AJ Green and Julio Jones. You can't go wrong. Cooper has just been doing it better for longer. Numbers are ridiculous and he is pretty fast too.

The more I think about it the more I like the idea of an o-lineman who could take a weak area and make it strong. Make more of a difference and give Tannehill something he has never had...protection and a dominant running game. Then, he will take the next step...like Romo in 2014.

we definetely have to go LB real high in the draft...

Either LB or WR.

Then OL...Need Guards.

JoeFootball Wrote:
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> Why do you disagree with ALL the scouts on Waynes
> at CB? and don't tell me about Dennard. Different
> players. Everyone has him in the top 10 or 15.
>
> Dupree is gone in that scenario but most have him
> in the 20's.
>
> If I gave Gurley a perfect 10, I would give Gordan
> a 9. The next best is a 7.3.
>
> I just have a feeling about Cooper. He is ready
> day one. I love White too but every year a guy
> comes in and blazes at the combine and everyone
> falls in love and then guys like Reggie Wayne,
> DeAndre Hopkins, Demarius Thomas drop when GM's
> should have just gone with their first instinct.
> There were 5 WR's taken ahead of Wayne and the
> next best was Santana Moss. The others were out of
> the league rather quickly.
>
> For me there is little separation between the two.
> It's like picking between AJ Green and Julio
> Jones. You can't go wrong. Cooper has just been
> doing it better for longer. Numbers are ridiculous
> and he is pretty fast too.
>
> The more I think about it the more I like the idea
> of an o-lineman who could take a weak area and
> make it strong. Make more of a difference and give
> Tannehill something he has never had...protection
> and a dominant running game. Then, he will take
> the next step...like Romo in 2014.

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Can't go wrong with Cooper or White, but.....

Cooper, like J. Winston, is pro ready right now.

quote the truth: I disagree on the WR need. In fact, I still consider it a priority (1st 2nd round)


Exactly.

Biggest needs...

DT: We invested big in Suh but have only potential standing next to him. What happens to the defense if Suh gets injured? Any game that we have to start AJ Francis and Earl Mitchell will not be pretty. I view DT as a big need.

OG: We are set at LT, C & RT. It sound likely that Turner will be starting at one of the guard spots. He is a former LT so the left side could be where he is headed. I think you should be able to find a starting right guard in the 2nd round. Pick 14 is pretty high for a guard but it didn't stop Dallas from picking one last year. We have a glaring hole there.

CB: Injury prone players who haven't proven much in the NFL. Grimes is not getting any younger. At some point we are going to have to make an investment here. (Sure would be nice to have Vontae playing with Grimes). This is a huge need on defense as well.

WR: Almost a wholesale change at this position. We have a need for a starting split end. A top talent like Devante Parker could really help this offense take the next step.

RB: Not a glaring need but could utilize a top talent and better short yardage back.

If Brown from TX is there at #14 take him and pair him up w/ Suh. Pain & SUHffering. Pick WR at 2 & 4 get some young guys w/ good hands and that can run routes. Guys who are ready to listen to Tanne rather than some cement headed veteran. We are going to have to get the corner and guard in free agency. Not sure what's up w/ the zone blocking but looks like rookies are not picking it up quickly. Try a vet. Or get a rookie tackle and convert as they did w/ Turner.

1 Brown DT TX
2 Agholar WR USC
4 Harper WR Fresno St
5 Cox FS MS St
5 Cobb RB MN
6 Glowinski OG WV

JoeFootball Wrote:
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> Biggest needs...
>
> DT: We invested big in Suh but have only potential
> standing next to him. What happens to the defense
> if Suh gets injured? Any game that we have to
> start AJ Francis and Earl Mitchell will not be
> pretty. I view DT as a big need.
>
> OG: We are set at LT, C & RT. It sound likely that
> Turner will be starting at one of the guard spots.
> He is a former LT so the left side could be where
> he is headed. I think you should be able to find a
> starting right guard in the 2nd round. Pick 14 is
> pretty high for a guard but it didn't stop Dallas
> from picking one last year. We have a glaring hole
> there.
>
> CB: Injury prone players who haven't proven much
> in the NFL. Grimes is not getting any younger. At
> some point we are going to have to make an
> investment here. (Sure would be nice to have
> Vontae playing with Grimes). This is a huge need
> on defense as well.
>
> WR: Almost a wholesale change at this position. We
> have a need for a starting split end. A top talent
> like Devante Parker could really help this offense
> take the next step.
>
> RB: Not a glaring need but could utilize a top
> talent and better short yardage back.


I would agree with these assessments of need.I am guessing they are in no particular order... I would also add MLB to the list...

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Correct. No particular order. Just BPA from those spots probably.

As far as MLB, they would have to be prepared to put some of our current players on the back burner or release them if we actually land a starting MLB.

For instance, what do you do with Misi, McCain and Jordan? Misi makes 4.5 mil and the coaches love him so he goes back to a part time player at that salary? to the bench if they actually find a spot for Jordan, McCain.

I think the team is set to develop some of the young guys....that could be any number of players....Tripp, Jordan, McCain, the young DT's, even Jamar Taylor, Turner, Thomas.

All signs point to them taking a WR early, possibly a RB. I get the feeling they are not overly thrilled with Lamar Miller as a feature back even though he performed well last year. Just the fact that they just didn't use him a lot.

I get the feeling they are confident they can get a WR at 14. It may not be the same ones we are all thinking about as their board may be a little different. Could be they have one or two other guys rated higher.

One thing is fairly certain, they can probably land a quality RB and WR in the first or second round...no matter which one you choose first.

Parker in 1, Ajayi in 2 or Gurley in 1 and Agholor/Funchess in 2....just as an example.

Taking a RB in round 1 is over spending in my estimation. It just seems wasteful.

Sort of like a team (in the 2007 draft) that has a huge need for a WR and they take Tedd Ginn (9) over Marshawn Lynch (12) ?????

FootballGod Wrote:
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> Taking a RB in round 1 is over spending in my
> estimation. It just seems wasteful.


I'd agree if we are talking about just any RB.

And that's what it really boils down to... Are we talking about an all time great RB or just another good back?

If we had the opportunity to draft a back like AP, LT or Barry Sanders I don't think it's a debatable point. Any one of those guys would be the best prospect in this draft and landing them at 14 would be a steal.

The question is, do you think any of the RB in this draft fit that description?

I believe that Gurley does. I don't think anyone else in this draft is in that category.

No injured players please....Look who we picked last year with the 3rd overall pick and so far he is been a bust.

samsam3738 Wrote:
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> No injured players please....Look who we picked
> last year with the 3rd overall pick and so far he
> is been a bust.


That was two years ago Sam, and while he was injured coming out of school that's not the reason he's been disappointing so far.

With Gurley, either he projects to be 100% healthy and able to play this year or he doesn't.

...and we've seen what Lamar Miller can do and what his ceiling should be. We will never have an elite running game with the backs we have right now. We will be above average to good but not in the same class as the teams with RB's like AP, McCoy, Lynch, etc.

We either get an elite player like Gurley or at the very least, we have to employ a running back committee with a player who compliments Miller with additional skills in short yardage and the passing game. Personally, I think this (read option) offense needs more elusiveness at the RB position. It doesn't make much sense to bring in a power back to compliment Miller and also expect him to be more elusive than a much smaller Lamar Miller.

JoeFootball Wrote:
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> ...and we've seen what Lamar Miller can do and
> what his ceiling should be. We will never have an
> elite running game with the backs we have right
> now. We will be above average to good but not in
> the same class as the teams with RB's like AP,
> McCoy, Lynch, etc.
>
> We either get an elite player like Gurley or at
> the very least, we have to employ a running back
> committee with a player who compliments Miller
> with additional skills in short yardage and the
> passing game. Personally, I think this (read
> option) offense needs more elusiveness at the RB
> position. It doesn't make much sense to bring in a
> power back to compliment Miller and also expect
> him to be more elusive than a much smaller Lamar
> Miller.

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IMO, Miami can't afford any luxury picks, i.e., RB. Miller can do the job until the rest of this team get solidified, and I don't see that happening this year, no matter what signings we make.

Miami remains middling inside, how good can the running attack be? I don't care if Miami had AP; he would be lucky to get to the line of scrimmage on most plays. The line has to be made whole.

No RB at pick 14.

I cant debate if any of these RB's are worthy of the #14 pick or not, but if there's a sure fire cant miss RB available then you'd have to take him, I'm seeing ? marks about all of the guys that are supposedly in our wheelhouse, you'd be foolish to pass on anybody at any position if you thought he was can't miss, and again, I'm not saying any of these RB's are/aren't, but........

We can get a rb late in the draft.

They say its a deep draft for rbs.

That's ok if you just want "a running back". JAG...we already have three or 4 of those.

Sounds like they could trade down and probably get a CB and more picks.

What Joe and Truth are saying is what I have been saying about RB (and Gurley in particular) all along.

If you can pick up "the real deal" at ANY position of need, why not do that INSTEAD of settling for second or third best at a position of GREATER need.

I see picking the best player but not in STRICT ORDER of our greatest need because you might be better taking first best at the third most needy spot than taking third best and the first most needy spot.

Now Lamar is not bad but he is not getting any younger and he is no beast mode. Gurley may be.

The trade up is going to have a big affect on who is available at 14. Who will trade up and who will it be for?

Could be Mariota, Fowler or Williams, IMO. I am betting Cleveland gives up both of their 1st round picks to get Mariota. Farmer is desperate that his crops aren't growing. He's got one year to do something IMO or he is fired after two years in his first GM job.

Could be Tennessee is not in love with Mariota. All the "experts" have Tennessee taking Leonard Williams but I don't see it. He is a 3-4 DE in their system and two of their best linemen are the DE's. What they really need is a NT. I don't see Williams as a NT. He could probably do it but it would be a waste of his talents.

1. TB: Jameis Winston
2. Cle: Mariota (trade w Tenn)
3. Jax: Dante Fowler
4. OAK: Amari Cooper
5. WASH: Vic Beasley
6. NYG: Leonard Williams (trade w Jets)
7. CHI: Kevin White
8. ATL: Shane Ray
9. NYJ: Todd Gurley (trade)
10. STL: Davante Parker
11. MINN: Brandon Scherff
12: Ten: Dan Shelton (trade)
13: NO: Randy Gregory
14: MIA: ?????

What if Parker is there for the taking at #14 and the phone rings? I haven't heard "can't miss" associated with his name as much as Amari and White. I guess I'd have to hear the offer before making that call.

No one is going to tAke an injured rb in top 10. Even jets not that dumb

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dolphaholic Wrote:
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> What if Parker is there for the taking at #14 and
> the phone rings? I haven't heard "can't miss"
> associated with his name as much as Amari and
> White. I guess I'd have to hear the offer before
> making that call.

What if he's not and we cannot find anyone to trade up? It's a more likely scenario. Who is available that is worth trading up and giving up a 2nd round pick for?

berkeley223 Wrote:
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> No one is going to tAke an injured rb in top 10.
> Even jets not that dumb

Willis McGahee was taken at 23 at a time when knee injuries were more unknown & difficult to recover from....but I guess you've already gotten the injury report.

The rb position is way devalued since mcgahee and that was a foolish pick even at the time

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So they say....I'm not buying it. That was a short-lived fad resulting from a few things....

1. perception of the importance of the league becoming a "passing" league.

2. lack of talent coming out of college for 3 out of the last 4 drafts.

3. teams getting lucky in late rounds/UFA's with guys like Demarco Murray and Arian Foster.

It's no more of a permanent change to the NFL than the wildcat offense was....

Whether or not Gurley goes in the top 10 will depend on his pre-draft medical report. August 16th will be 9 months removed from the injury.



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JoeFootball Wrote:
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> The trade up is going to have a big affect on who
> is available at 14. Who will trade up and who will
> it be for?
>
> Could be Mariota, Fowler or Williams, IMO. I am
> betting Cleveland gives up both of their 1st round
> picks to get Mariota. Farmer is desperate that his
> crops aren't growing. He's got one year to do
> something IMO or he is fired after two years in
> his first GM job.
>
> Could be Tennessee is not in love with Mariota.
> All the "experts" have Tennessee taking Leonard
> Williams but I don't see it. He is a 3-4 DE in
> their system and two of their best linemen are the
> DE's. What they really need is a NT. I don't see
> Williams as a NT. He could probably do it but it
> would be a waste of his talents.
>
> 1. TB: Jameis Winston
> 2. Cle: Mariota (trade w Tenn)
> 3. Jax: Dante Fowler
> 4. OAK: Amari Cooper
> 5. WASH: Vic Beasley
> 6. NYG: Leonard Williams (trade w Jets)
> 7. CHI: Kevin White
> 8. ATL: Shane Ray
> 9. NYJ: Todd Gurley (trade)
> 10. STL: Davante Parker
> 11. MINN: Brandon Scherff
> 12: Ten: Dan Shelton (trade)
> 13: NO: Randy Gregory
> 14: MIA: ?????


If I have to stay there and draft because nobody wants to trade up then its Malcom Brown or Alvin Dupree.

Wouldn't we have our pick of dbs in this scenario?

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berkeley223 Wrote:
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> Wouldn't we have our pick of dbs in this scenario?


Yes, but is there one worthy of being selected there?

Joe thinks there's one CB, Trae Waynes. The one Safety anyone projects as a 1st rounder is the kid Collins from Alabama and he's a SS. We have Jones, we don't need a SS.

As for Waynes...Jamar Taylor had better combine numbers acrtoss the board. I'm not wasting a 1st round pick on a guy who isn't as talented as the 3rd year CB I have on the roster now...but that is me.