dolphin Wrote:
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> so if Mariota falls to the Dolphins do you pick
> him?
>
> I was impressed with Winston trying to pick his
> guys up talking to his OL lifting them up.
>
> I would have to pass on him if I were the GM in
> the first round. The Packers or someone could
> afford to take that risk.

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You're serious, aren't you dolphin, asking if the Dolphins would pick Mariota if he falls to them?

There is a good possibility that he will be the number one pick in the draft, and if not that, at least top 5.

He isn't going to fall to the Dolphins. Yeah, yeah, I know, Marino fell, but the class of '83 was QB-rich, unlike this class.

Cap, this class is not as rich as Marino's class and maybe not even as Tanny's class but is probably next with Winston, Mariota, Hundley and possibly almost assuredly Cody Kessler/

ChyrenB Wrote:
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> Cap, this class is not as rich as Marino's class
> and maybe not even as Tanny's class but is
> probably next with Winston, Mariota, Hundley and
> possibly almost assuredly Cody Kessler/

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Problem is, Chryen, none of these guys are projected as immediate, franchise QBs.

Reports indicate that Mariota will be the first QB taken, and the "experts" say he should sit and learn before being thrown to the wolves.

Winston has head issues, along with not having a great 2014, both on and off the field.

The rest of the QB class may be good QBs, but none of them are going to go in and set the league on fire.

The class of '83 had three HOFers with the rest of them taking their teams to at least one playoff game (with the exception of Blackledge?).

There are no projections like that with this class.

Yeah, I acknowledged that it was not as good as Marino's or even Tanny's class. But after that, I can't see a better class.

Even Griese's only had Griese and Spurrier.

I would say the 2011 draft class, 2014, 2008, 2004 were all considered a stronger QB class than 2015.

OF course I'm serious someone mentioned him maybe not being in the top 10, so thus I asked the question off of that.

I did not say I think he would make that fall. I think he will go in the top 5 personally.

I don't see the Raiders nor Vikings picking a QB. so that is 2 spots off the board. Jags no, Redskins no, bears, falcons no. Giants probably not. Rams not. Titans likely.

I pray that by some miracle Winston or Mariota falls to the Dolphins so they could fleece a needy team below them out of a bucket of draft picks.

Which we will THEN screw up.

Mariotta is in the same line as that qb from the browns. It will take time.

On paper this QB class is very weak really, you never know how it will develop, but right now it's not that good.

The question for me really is..."will Tennessee draft Winston"?

They need a QB. Otherwise they go with Mettenberger. Would they REALLY go all in on another questionable QB after the Jake Locker experiment failed? They wasted 3-4 years on that guy.

They could trade the pick but I'm not sure who would actually pay to get it. I would say Washington but that would be tough since they gave up so much for RG3 just 3 years ago.....BUT he is still a HUGE ???

The next team that would do something like that is the Jets but they just drafted Geno.

The Bears? Rams? Browns?

If I were the Tennessee GM. I have to take a chance on him. Even if you are wrong (character-wise), the set back is no worse than wasting more time with bad QB's.

I think they have to take him @ 2 if the Bucs pass.

I've actually seen some pundits say that Winston will go #1 over Marritoa, I don't see it, but when it comes to the draft, I'm usually wrong.

I think it's a safe bet to assume they will both go in the top 5. Likely 1 & 2. That's good for us.

I also heard there are several teams willing to trade up with Tampa.

If you look at the top 5 teams I don't think you can assume that.

trades could do it though for sure.

dolphaholic Wrote:
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> I've actually seen some pundits say that Winston
> will go #1 over Marritoa, I don't see it, but when
> it comes to the draft, I'm usually wrong.


It really depends on what offense you run.

If you run a spread offense that mixes in the read-option and West coast principles then you want mariota. If you run a more traditional nfl offense then you want Winston.

I'm not sure that TB or Tenn run a scheme that fits mariota.

Look at the numbers....

Winston has completed 65 percent of his passes in 2014 for 3,559 yards with 24 touchdowns and 17 interceptions.

Mariota has completed 68 percent of his passes for 3,783 yards with 38 touchdowns and two interceptions. On the ground, he's run for 669 yards (5.7 average) with 14 touchdowns.

JoeFootball Wrote:
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> Look at the numbers....
>
>

OK...

Player A: 5,631 yards, 71% completion, 48 tds, 5 int.

Player B: 2,566 yards, 66.1%, 24tds, 8 int.


If all you care about is stats then congratulations, you just drafted case keenum over Aaron Rodgers.

All I've heard since that game is that Winston made more NFL type throws than Mariota and that Mariota will need a year on the bench to learn.

I can't think of one Oregon QB that's had a successful NFL career.

Joey Harrington and Akili Smith are the two biggest flops that come to mind.

Excuse me? Did I say ANYTHING about who was better?

JoeFootball Wrote:
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> Excuse me? Did I say ANYTHING about who was
> better?


Nope.

But my point remains. If anyone thinks gaudy college stats matter one iota in evaluating and projecting a QB's nfl career then they are fooling themselves.

dolphaholic Wrote:
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> I've actually seen some pundits say that Winston
> will go #1 over Marritoa, I don't see it, but when
> it comes to the draft, I'm usually wrong.


I'm biased because I am an FSU alumnus, but if I was the GM of the Bucs I would take Winston #1. Beyond the physical tools and the mental grasp of the pro game, both of which are elite, he has that "IT" factor that all the great ones have.

Risks? Immaturity and bad behavior, which is why I write in the standard character clauses and penalties into his deal.

Put another way: if it were the Dolphins drafting first this year I would STILL draft Winston (or trade down). He's that good. This is not a knock against Tannehill, whom I am bullish on, but we're dealing with an elite QB prospect here.

Except, the "it" factor in college doesn't translate to the NFL. Remember Peter Warrick? When I saw him I thought he was destined to be an NFL star.

Reggie Bush looked the same way at USC.

dolphaholic Wrote:
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> On paper this QB class is very weak really, you
> never know how it will develop, but right now it's
> not that good.


I'm framing this post.

ChyrenB Wrote:
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> dolphaholic Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > On paper this QB class is very weak really, you
> > never know how it will develop, but right now
> it's
> > not that good.
>
>
> I'm framing this post.

Send me a copy and I'll sign it for you

LOL. That's the good thing about the "search" function. There's no need to get a signed copy. Your posts can always be recalled in full.

You don't need a few years to validate my statement though, I can show you multiple national draftniks that have said the exact same thing I said (where do you think I got it from?)

And my statement pretty much covers my own arse by saying "you never know how it will develop", in other words if a 6th rnd Tom Brady or even a 3rd rnd Russel Wilson type emerge, then that's pure luck really.

I would say the pre draft grade for qb in the 2015 draft is weak. Does not even compare to 2013 - Luck, Tanne, RG III, Weeden,Osweiller, Foles and Cousins were all rated to go in the first 3 rnds.

This year only 3 qbs are rated as 3rd round or higher Mariotta, Winston & Hundley. None are close to Luck but I would rate all higher than Tanne coming out of college.

Winston if he cleans up his character will be the best in the nfl.

Mariota - will take time to develop Oregon runs a spread O where in games I have watch he throws off the first read most of the time. Kaepernickish but he is a better thrower than Kaepernick.

Hundley - I like at times and others I don't. Not sure if he was hindered by the talent around him at UCLA or not.

all should be gone by the 2nd round. The kid from Baylor should go in rnd 2 also because he is the last qb in this draft that could stick on a nfl roster. The kid from CO State has a good arm and some folks like the kid from East Carolina, in the 3 games that I saw him play I did not like him.

I don't see this as a great QB class either.