Fire Philben Now, there is nothing left to see. Philben got 3 years of training here, at our exspense. Every year I heard him say " I have to get better". Get better on someone else's dime! Stop waisting players lives, with your shitty coaching!

I agree, jimmy. Do it now.

Now just do it....

There is absolutely NO benefit to firing him now.

In fact, its a pretty stupid thing to do.

Good luck getting a quality coach, staff and/or FA's when you fire a coach with a .500 record in season.

And think about it. How many here wished we had simply elevated Todd Bowles to HC?

Had to go here with Beavis favorite word. In the new episodes in 2011 he pronounced it 7 times, even when banned. But in these forums we have no legal prohibition. Let's see. A QB with no running game (0) and equal wide receiving (0) assistance, plus a banged offensive line and 4 sacks was able to stick 346 yards in a hostile environment. A 22 W - 24 L record and counting. 100% unacceptable. In this game happened what I feared most. A massacre. Next two games in my opinion are out of the question. Not long ago I mentioned something similar. The musicians may play bad notes here and there, but the Conductor is the one summoned by the administrators of the Orchestra. Clearly he is no Toscanini, Abbado or Von Karajan. No Harbaugh please. Would call too much attention. A thing the organization does not need. These are the possible names: Mlke Nolan(had his name on another thread), Gary Kubiak, Ryan(talking about the twin with the long hair), Ken Whisenhunt. Solid work with Arizona. The Titans suck big time. Not his fault. He was very close to winning that Super Bowl. Well there it is. Avoid the Noid, Avoid the Noid, Avoid the Noid. Just like Beavis, I enjoy saying that.

You're not alone. I voted that way, too.

Rick

Too soft, no fire, stupid game management

I hope they hire harbaugh.

harbough would be great, but more likely oakland gets him as the wife wants to stay in the bay area.

Harbaugh Schmarbaugh. In case you didn't notice, he lost his team and front office, sounds like a cancer and BTW, was eliminated from the playoffs this week with the same record as Miami.

He reaped the benefits of a talented roster left to him by his predecessors.

He is a mercenary who will show up and likely make enemies of everyone and then leave for greener pastures in 3 to 4 years.

Then we are right back where we started. No thanks. Give me someone who wants to stick around for a decade or so. He is a California boy and his entire family is there. First opening that suits him there and he is gone.

Oh and did I mention, it will cost us a MUCH needed 1st round pick, if not two.

I have mixed emotions about Harbaugh. Part of me thinks he's a diva (going back to his playing days) and that he would be a JJ/Parcells re-do. But it's hard to argue with the results he got in SF. took a 6-10 team that hadn't had a winning season in 8 years and took them to two conference championship games and a superbowl in 3 years. WHOEVER we get we need:

-Someone who can build a team with the talent he has instead of trying to force a particular 'system' on to the field regardless.

-Someone who is a motivator and a big enough personality to give our team focus and fire.

-A good 'game time' coach who can adjust to whats happening in real time.

-Like someone said above, someone who DOSEN'T have a history of job hopping every 3-4 years.

Harbaugh fits a couple of those (maybe) and a couple he doesn't.

captkoi Wrote:
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> montequi Wrote:
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> -----
> > What I want in a HC is a leader who will
> motivate
> > players and trust his coordinators (only
> stepping
> > in when necessary). I don't want a
> power-hungry
> > control-freak (JJ,Harbaugh). I don't want a
> > pushover (Wanny). I don't want a guy who can't
> > commit to the team (Saban). I don't want a guy
> > who only pretends to be a coach, but doesn't
> > really accomplish anything (Cameron, Sparano).
> >
> > Makes we wish we would have given Bates or
> Bowles
> > at least a full year to see what they could
> > do....but most owners prefer big names and hype
> > over good coaching.
> >
> > That being said, I'm not sure what category
> > Philbin fits in. What I've seen since he's
> been
> > here is steady improvement but no major
> overnight
> > turnarounds (like what happened with
> > Parcells/Pennington). I believe this is how
> you
> > build long-term success...which is something we
> > haven't had since Shula left. Consequently, I
> > appear to be the lone vote that wants to give
> > Philbin one more year. Call me crazy, but I
> think
> > he deserves that much. At least we haven't
> > regressed (like we did under Wanny, Cameron,
> and
> > Sparano).
>
> **************************************************
> ***
>
> What is your definition of "regress" Monti?
>
Let's see. Under Sparano our O-Line got worse every year. A point of strength became a point of weakness. Our passing game got worse every year as well. Meanwhile, our defense didn't improve year to year either. Under Wanny....same thing, different positions. Under Cam we just collapsed. Saban was a whole other issue.

On the other hand, under Philbin our O-Line, passing game, defense, and special teams have steadily improved. They've gotten more consistent and are playing better as a unit.


> If Miami finishes 8-8, where does that fit in? If
> they finish 7-9, where does that fit?
>
I'm not looking at record at this point. In fact, that's moot. We're out of the playoffs, and it would actually be BETTER for us to lose the rest of our games as it improves our draft status


> As I mentioned earlier, I refer to other posts
> indicating they don't want Philbin fired as that
> will lead to starting all over again. I countered
> with Ross, et al, will have to just find a coach
> with similar philophies about offense and defense
> where Miami will not have to start all over.
>
> Probably easier said than done, but it is a
> thought.
Easier said than done is an understatement. Just look at the state our our franchise since Shula left!

I changed my vote to give him anther year.
We all knew there would be a degree of on the job training and, some aspects of his development have been painfully slow but, I really like what happened at the end of the half yesterday. How totally different from the roll over at the end of the half of the first Buffalo game.
Too bad he used up all the team's energy on that one drive and had nothing left for the second half. Maybe he can figure it out in the off-season.

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The Clown Show Continues



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Hooligan2 Wrote:
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> I changed my vote to give him anther year.
> We all knew there would be a degree of on the job
> training and, some aspects of his development have
> been painfully slow but, I really like what
> happened at the end of the half yesterday. How
> totally different from the roll over at the end of
> the half of the first Buffalo game.
> Too bad he used up all the team's energy on that
> one drive and had nothing left for the second
> half. Maybe he can figure it out in the
> off-season.


What the heck we havent been competitive in 40 years whats another 40 lol

philbin offers:

Poor Player Selection
Poor Game Management
Poor Fundamental Football skill training

I was all clear to get rid of him, last year. This year, the tidal wave has caught up and the rest of yas have joined on to the cause.

The one problem on getting rid of him, is that it is a gamble to find a coach-they all have some issues..and the current Dolphin roster is salary cap wrecked with big contracts to poor draft picks and really crappy players who tend to get injured.

I don't think Harbaugh will choose Miami, and even if he does-I'm not to big on him.

The question is: Who is out there?

So, where are the people calling for Jon Gruden or Bill Cowher?

montequi Wrote:
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> So, where are the people calling for Jon Gruden or
> Bill Cowher?


Any of Those 2 would better than we we have 1000 times.

I would love to land Cowher!

Why?

For an identity for 1....

2 because he wins
3 to give this team some toughness
4 leadership
5 former player that players will respect

how much more do you need?

JoeFootball Wrote:
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> For an identity for 1....
>
> 2 because he wins
> 3 to give this team some toughness
> 4 leadership
> 5 former player that players will respect
>
> how much more do you need?


How about a burning desire to be a hc in the nfl?

Cowher has been out of the game for 8 full years.

I'm not saying the game has passed him bye, but if he was driven to be a great hc he'd be on the sidelines already.

I don't want a guy who needs money to convince him to coach. I want a guy who feels like he's gonna die if he's not coaching.

I don't think Cowher is that guy anymore.

Steerers season records...

1985 7-9
1986 6-10
1987 8-7
1988 5-11
1989 9-7
1990 9-7
1991 7-9

Cowher takes over

1992 11-5
1993 9-7
1994 12-4
1995 11-5
1996 10-6
1997 11-5

THE Truth Wrote:
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> JoeFootball Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > For an identity for 1....
> >
> > 2 because he wins
> > 3 to give this team some toughness
> > 4 leadership
> > 5 former player that players will respect
> >
> > how much more do you need?
>
>
> How about a burning desire to be a hc in the nfl?
>
>
> Cowher has been out of the game for 8 full years.
>
>
> I'm not saying the game has passed him bye, but
> if he was driven to be a great hc he'd be on the
> sidelines already.
>
> I don't want a guy who needs money to convince him
> to coach. I want a guy who feels like he's gonna
> die if he's not coaching.
>
> I don't think Cowher is that guy anymore.

No but it was all predicated on him wanting to come back. I don't think he would make that decision lightly or because of the money he doesn't really need. he makes 4 mil a year in current position. if he cam back it would because he wanted to do it again or missed it.

JoeFootball Wrote:
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> THE Truth Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > JoeFootball Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > For an identity for 1....
> > >
> > > 2 because he wins
> > > 3 to give this team some toughness
> > > 4 leadership
> > > 5 former player that players will respect
> > >
> > > how much more do you need?
> >
> >
> > How about a burning desire to be a hc in the
> nfl?
> >
> >
> > Cowher has been out of the game for 8 full
> years.
> >
> >
> > I'm not saying the game has passed him bye,
> but
> > if he was driven to be a great hc he'd be on
> the
> > sidelines already.
> >
> > I don't want a guy who needs money to convince
> him
> > to coach. I want a guy who feels like he's
> gonna
> > die if he's not coaching.
> >
> > I don't think Cowher is that guy anymore.
>
> No but it was all predicated on him wanting to
> come back. I don't think he would make that
> decision lightly or because of the money he
> doesn't really need. he makes 4 mil a year in
> current position. if he cam back it would because
> he wanted to do it again or missed it.


That's my point Joe.

No doubt he was a terrific hc. But he's been the best candidate available for 8 years and he hasn't come back.

I think the choice between making 4mill a year working 3 days a week, 6 months a year ...or making 2x that money working 18 hours a day, 7 days a week for most of the year has already been made.

So I'm a bit desperate.

JoeFootball Wrote:
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> So I'm a bit desperate.


Fair enough... Lol.

Don't give , Joe. The rest of us see your point. We are talking about someone who we would like. Availability is an entirely separate matter unless totally impossible. It's unlikely to get him or "Chucky" but not totally impossible. What we were doing above is discussing all possible options.