jsm08 Wrote:
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> as horrible as that t.o. was all we needed was a
> first down and the game is over.
>
> we shit all over ourselves every week

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Sure, all we needed was a first down, however....

Our D needed to step up, but failed in crunch time. 4th and 10 and they allow a first down? 3rd and 10 and they again allow a first down. Get fooled on a clock play (with a DB about 7 yards off the WR)? Seasoned veteran CB (Finnegan) allows a completed pass and doesn't keep the guy in bounds to run the clock down to zero? Wheeler covering one-on-one on the outside for the game winning TD?

Calling the wrong plays in the last 4 minutes? Run when should have passed; passed when should have run. At least one of those plays (second down would have been my choice) should have been a deep ball to Wallace.

Players are supposed to make the plays; coaches are supposed to call the right plays. EVERYBODY blew it!

Hooligan2 Wrote:
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> Ken, our guys don't have "that" because the coach
> doesn't inspire them by reading from 3x5 index
> cards and plastering the locker room with
> inspirational posters ordered out of the Sky Mall
> catalogue.


RE: Maybe so, but they won't have it until they live it, and survive, until they get tested by fire and come out of it unburned either.

But Ken, you are doing what you accuse us of. In fact, your criticism is more appropriately leveled at your own defense of the calling of the timeout.

In almost every NFL game, you can go back to the first quarter and point out that if certain players had done differently, every NFL game outcome would have been the opposite.

But what the sports critics, and the fans, look at is those GAME CHANGING CRUCIAL things that happen.

And when it's done by the coach, it wipes away all the sins of the players throughout the game.

Because....Why???? Because...... a player is played to perform and a coach is paid to think and .........................

while it may be acceptable for the opposite coach to out-strategize you,

IT IS TOTALLY UNACCEPTABLE FOR A COACH TO MAKE HIS BONEHEAD MOVE THAT COSTS HIS TEAM THE GAME.

The big issue I had with the coaching was timeout #2 at 1:07
If anybody taped the game, you will notice that rogers was in no position to run a play after the he got sacked. In fact Rogers was gonna take a 5 yard delay of game.instead he calls timeout giving Rogers at least a fighting chance.

captkoi Wrote:
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> jsm08 Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > as horrible as that t.o. was all we needed was
> a
> > first down and the game is over.
> >
> > we shit all over ourselves every week
>
> **************************************************
>
>
> Sure, all we needed was a first down, however....
>
> Our D needed to step up, but failed in crunch
> time. 4th and 10 and they allow a first down? 3rd
> and 10 and they again allow a first down. Get
> fooled on a clock play (with a DB about 7 yards
> off the WR)? Seasoned veteran CB (Finnegan) allows
> a completed pass and doesn't keep the guy in
> bounds to run the clock down to zero? Wheeler
> covering one-on-one on the outside for the game
> winning TD?
>
> Calling the wrong plays in the last 4 minutes? Run
> when should have passed; passed when should have
> run. At least one of those plays (second down
> would have been my choice) should have been a deep
> ball to Wallace.
>
> Players are supposed to make the plays; coaches
> are supposed to call the right plays. EVERYBODY
> blew it!


You're spot on cap.

steviec13 Wrote:
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> The big issue I had with the coaching was timeout
> #2 at 1:07
> If anybody taped the game, you will notice that
> rogers was in no position to run a play after the
> he got sacked. In fact Rogers was gonna take a 5
> yard delay of game.instead he calls timeout giving
> Rogers at least a fighting chance.


Almost seemed like he was helping his old QB out right? I mean WTF? I can't even fathom an excuse. Ross needs to fire his ass before next weeks game. What a pussy. If I ever see him I'm going to bitch slap him with the new logo.

GO DOLPHINS!!!!

TreasurecoastPhinsfan Wrote:
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> steviec13 Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > The big issue I had with the coaching was
> timeout
> > #2 at 1:07
> > If anybody taped the game, you will notice that
> > rogers was in no position to run a play after
> the
> > he got sacked. In fact Rogers was gonna take a
> 5
> > yard delay of game.instead he calls timeout
> giving
> > Rogers at least a fighting chance.
>
>
> Almost seemed like he was helping his old QB out
> right? I mean WTF? I can't even fathom an excuse.
> Ross needs to fire his ass before next weeks game.
> What a pussy. If I ever see him I'm going to bitch
> slap him with the new logo.

I'll slap him on the other cheek with the old logo. Give him the double whammy!

samsam3738 Wrote:
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> Because philbin is clueless joe.

Kevin Coyle calls the defense.

Coyle is also clueless.

TreasurecoastPhinsfan Wrote:
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> steviec13 Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > The big issue I had with the coaching was
> timeout
> > #2 at 1:07
> > If anybody taped the game, you will notice that
> > rogers was in no position to run a play after
> the
> > he got sacked. In fact Rogers was gonna take a
> 5
> > yard delay of game.instead he calls timeout
> giving
> > Rogers at least a fighting chance.
>
>
> Almost seemed like he was helping his old QB out
> right? I mean WTF? I can't even fathom an excuse.
> Ross needs to fire his ass before next weeks game.
> What a pussy. If I ever see him I'm going to bitch
> slap him with the new logo.

And do what? Put Coyle in charge? Lazor? We can do that if you want to throw in the towel on the season and shoot for a top 3 pick.

I am ready to trow that towel in. So you really want to chance making playoffs then get embarrassed like Marinos last game with Philben being out coached? I don't. Is rather get top 5 pick new HC and DC and win it all next year.

If your recall and unless I am mistaken the Dolphins called all 3 of their timeouts within the last 2:30 of the game. They called a timeout right before the 2 minute warning too for some insane reason that gave the Packers even more time on the clock.

So basically the Packers got 6 timeouts that half!

Makes me sick!!!

Had them on the ropes dizzy and ready to go down and we just not only stopped punching them, but let them rest for a bit too.

I think Lazor is getting tired of Philpin and his scared coaching.

ChyrenB Wrote:
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> But Ken, you are doing what you accuse us of. In
> fact, your criticism is more appropriately leveled
> at your own defense of the calling of the
> timeout.
>
> In almost every NFL game, you can go back to the
> first quarter and point out that if certain
> players had done differently, every NFL game
> outcome would have been the opposite.
>
> But what the sports critics, and the fans, look at
> is those GAME CHANGING CRUCIAL things that
> happen.
>
> And when it's done by the coach, it wipes away all
> the sins of the players throughout the game.
>
> Because....Why???? Because...... a player is
> played to perform and a coach is paid to think and
> .........................
>
> while it may be acceptable for the opposite coach
> to out-strategize you,
>
> IT IS TOTALLY UNACCEPTABLE FOR A COACH TO MAKE HIS
> BONEHEAD MOVE THAT COSTS HIS TEAM THE GAME.


RE: Chyren, I didn't defend the use of the timeout. I agree that it was inopportune. But its simply not right to say that the coach called a timeout and that one single event, mistake whatever you want to call it, cost the team the game. When the players on the field failed to make a tackle, a pass defense, or any other play that would have sealed the game on the very same drive.

Fact is there is alot of blame to go around...not simply Philbin's mistake.

The team, to a man, needs to play better, be more disciplined, and execute at an improved level given the chance, game in and game out. When we start taking care of all of the little things, the big things will start to fall in our favor.

Everyone is guilty.

Players make mistakes. It is a given. HC makes mistakes Which is also a given. What is not a given is time out to the enemy. Wait I guess Philben missed that memo.

I like Lazor so far.

TreasurecoastPhinsfan Wrote:
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> Do you really think Lazor could coach a WORSE
> football game?
> He would make a solid interim coach. Throwing in
> the towel would be LEAVING Philbin in charge.

That pretty speculative. Huge difference between managing an offense (that has not been very successful or consistent) and managing an entire team and staff. He has only been a QB coach in the NFL until this year.

Then you have the staff dynamic of the new inexperienced guy telling long time NFL coaches what to do. How does that go over? You just never can tell.

Game day management is a huge deal but I would trust the play calling more in Lazor's hands than I would with Philbin looking over his shoulder and telling him to run the ball when Lazor wants to pass.

There is no good solution.

It seems as though a few of these coaches are handcuffing the talent on this team.

Coyle making the Dbs play off coverage, Putting DE's in coverage on RB's and TE's.

Philbin asserting his insecurities by meddling in the play calling.

Not sure what Lazor's deal is but his unit has not been good. The QB has regressed and so have the receivers. Not sure if he is worthy of the HC spot, even as interim.

You would pretty much have to fire Philbin and Coyle and promote Lazor to HC and Kacy Rodgers to DC.

I'm not saying I'm against it but it could go either way. A few more bone head mistakes by Philbin and I will be ready.

Can Philbin the day after the season is over.

Send San Francisco a 2nd round pick for Harbaugh, then make him the highest paid head coach in the league.

Make Rex Ryan the highest paid coordinator in the league and hand him the keys to the defense.

Hickey, Harbaugh, Ryan and Lazor would be about as good as it gets when it comes to front office/coaches.

THE Truth Wrote:
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> Can Philbin the day after the season is over.
>
> Send San Francisco a 2nd round pick for Harbaugh,
> then make him the highest paid head coach in the
> league.
>
> Make Rex Ryan the highest paid coordinator in the
> league and hand him the keys to the defense.
>
> Hickey, Harbaugh, Ryan and Lazor would be about as
> good as it gets when it comes to front
> office/coaches.

I was thinking along a similar line BUT Harbaugh is an offensive guy and runs different (pistol) offense. Some of the same read option principles but based out of a traditional pro style offense. His OC has been Greg Roman since 2009 at Stanford. HE may want his own guy as well as.....

Being the ego-maniac that he is, he would want full control and probably his own GM as well.

Personally, I don't like Harbaugh. I think he is a tool.

I think half of his success is because of the team he inherited. He was also lucky enough to have an ascending QB in place as well as fortunate enough to have a GM draft another good one in 2011.

I love the idea of Rex Ryan as DC though. Put him in charge of this defense AS IS and we are a top 3 unit.

If you're going to let Hickey assemble a team with an all star staff, it would probably have to be a different HC.

Most HC's are going to want to hire their own staff.

Jimbo Fisher, Mark Dantonio, Urban Meyer or Chris Peterson from college. Todd Bowles, Jon Gruden from the NFL ranks.

he inherited a horrible team.

49ers dont let him go for a 2nd round pick

by all accounts he is a tool

JoeFootball Wrote:
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> samsam3738 Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Because philbin is clueless joe.
>
> Kevin Coyle calls the defense.

EVEN IF THIS WERE TRUE, does Coyle call the timeouts? I know that timeouts can be called from the bench.

Wow! If an ASSISTANT coach can call a crucial timeout like that when the OPPONENT is trying to beat the clock IN ORDER TO NOT LOSE......

Supposedly only the HC can call the TO from the bench.

........................................

The Clown Show Continues



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sad commentary all the way around...

For me, much easier NOT watching games
while super hero billionaire Ross the clown
owns the team. It's an easy cure.
No watch.
No endure.

Point is: Ross hand-picked Phlimflam.
He's a consummate corporate clone.
Prime example of the Peter Principal.
Promoted to his level of incompetency.
Nothing new. SOS.

That said. The league is a farce. Fixed games.
Money rules. Prime example of EVERYTHING that's wrong
with our narcissistic system that worships power
and privilege above everything else.

The dial is set to "self destruct." No biggie.
Just end of the game.

Paramecium and assorted single cell organisms are the big winners.

That's what happens when you have the parasites running the show.

I recommend eating tons of garlic
to keep the vampires away.

Other than that.

Have a nice day!

BNF.

Thanks for the laughs, BNF. And BTW, how true.

JoeFootball Wrote:
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> THE Truth Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Can Philbin the day after the season is over.
> >
> > Send San Francisco a 2nd round pick for
> Harbaugh,
> > then make him the highest paid head coach in
> the
> > league.
> >
> > Make Rex Ryan the highest paid coordinator in
> the
> > league and hand him the keys to the defense.
> >
> > Hickey, Harbaugh, Ryan and Lazor would be about
> as
> > good as it gets when it comes to front
> > office/coaches.




>
> I was thinking along a similar line BUT Harbaugh
> is an offensive guy and runs different (pistol)
> offense. Some of the same read option principles
> but based out of a traditional pro style offense.
> His OC has been Greg Roman since 2009 at Stanford.
> HE may want his own guy as well as.....



I thought Harbaugh ran a two TE pro style offense at Stanford and that Kaepernick was in the Pistol at Nevada?


You are right, he probably will want his own guy, and Lazor likely isn't on the same page as he is schematically, but is SF going to let Roman leave or would they stick it to Harbaugh and wait until he hires someone before letting Roman go?



>
> Being the ego-maniac that he is, he would want
> full control and probably his own GM as well.
>
> Personally, I don't like Harbaugh. I think he is a
> tool.

I agree.

But a lot of really good coaches share that trait.



>
> I think half of his success is because of the
> team he inherited. He was also lucky enough to
> have an ascending QB in place as well as fortunate
> enough to have a GM draft another good one in
> 2011.

Smith's best passer rating before Harbaugh was 82.1 and he was considered a bust prior to 2011. He didn't blossom into a legit NFL starter until Harbaugh got his hands on him. Coincidence? Perhaps.

As for Kaepernick, he was a harbaugh pick. Luck went to the Peyton manning QB camp the summer before his last year. When he got back Harbaugh asked him what QB there impressed him. Luck's answer: Colin Kaepernick.


>
> I love the idea of Rex Ryan as DC though. Put him
> in charge of this defense AS IS and we are a top 3
> unit.
>
> If you're going to let Hickey assemble a team with
> an all star staff, it would probably have to be a
> different HC.


Probably. But a man can dream...

>
> Most HC's are going to want to hire their own
> staff.


Very true, and I'm entirely in favor of that. Same is true for a GM. If you give the GM control over the roster and cap then he should never be saddled with a coach he doesn't 100% believe in.

That's why Philbin should have been sent packing with Ireland.



>
> Jimbo Fisher, Mark Dantonio, Urban Meyer or Chris
> Peterson from college. Todd Bowles, Jon Gruden
> from the NFL ranks.


I have no interest in Fisher and only moderate interest in Meyer.

I like Peterson a lot and Dantonio is intriguing. I'd also be interested in Gus Malzhan.

After calming down a bit, following that tough loss, I have mixed emotions.. IMO, Philbins first mistake this week started with not having our pro bowl center play center.. Pouncey was put at RG which IMO marginalized his impact on the game.. That led to us having a tough time running the ball, which marginalized Tannehills ability to have a good game. That being said, the team hung in there despite the offense doing pretty much zero in the first half..
Despite that, our team showed fortitude in coming back in the second half and scoring some points.. The final offensive drive was played and called like defeatist which lead to the same attitude from our final defensive stand.. Most of the second half we played towards what we could do well and it worked.. But once we got the game back in our hands we regressed backed to defeatism... In all reality we were one play away from having a great come back and win.. Whether it would have been one more first down on offense or a stop on 4th down or at the goal line.. The coach definitely has blame in what happened, no denying that. Ultimately it was a team loss, everybody could have done a little more, that could have helped us win that game instead of lose.
I am not giving up on this team yet, we need to get it all together and play a complete game... We need to get on a run and win some games.. I still believe that can happen.. I am not ready to accept defeatism, otherwise I am no better then that which I am bitching about... GO phins!

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All things are subject to interpretation whichever interpretation prevails at a given time is a function of power and not truth.
Nietzsche

Well, Crowder. Everything you say is true......but, you have to prioritize. Yes, it is true that had all the players made crucial plays, we would have won. But that can be said of any losing team in football in almost any game.

Joe Philbin was not wearing a uniform though. He only has to think.

This is a chatboard and people who type on it discuss the team and think.

It is easy to forgive a player for failing to make a play. It is much harder to forgive the guy who is paid to think when he makes one colossal blunder after another.

The only reason the Packers are not laughing out loud now and talking how they could not believe it when we called those timeouts is that that would be itself as stupid as Philbin's calls.

Lookit, you are not going to hear criticisms leveled at Philbin because it's not within the interest of any football outsider from another team to do so.

They will simply continue to watch this clown show in Miami and laugh in silence.

Now I know why in the 20 prior assistant coaching jobs STARTING AT A MILITARY ACADEMY, Joe Philbin never got a head coaching job. Privately, when his name came up to the decision maker, there were probably whispers, "He's a nice guy but not Head coach material."

Only Ross, who glowed about how much he PERSONALLY like Philbin, will not fire him because personality is all that matters to Ross apparently.

Even bullygate was not sufficient to give Ross concerns.



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JoeFootball Wrote:
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>
>
> That pretty speculative. Huge difference between
> managing an offense (that has not been very
> successful or consistent) and managing an entire
> team and staff. He has only been a QB coach in the
> NFL until this year.
>
>

Heres my problem. These bad coaching decisions are the most basic fundamental type stuff. Managing the clock and motivating the players should be a given. I think high school coaches know how to manage a game clock better. Its like having a Surgeon not know how to take blood pressure. How can you perform surgery if you don't even know the basics?

Do I think Lazor will be a great coach? Answering that would be speculative. But I think he at least knows the basics and can manage from a very basic level at worst. Philbin has proved he can't.

GO DOLPHINS!!!!