His natural talents are being ignored as the head coach tries to make him into something he is not. Tanny is an RGIII. He will always be an RGIII and he will never be Bob Griese or Dan Marino.

We can keep trying to force the square peg into the round hole or we can accept what we have.

For all those people who will say that "what do you want to get him killed or injured LIKE RGIII????", I respond

"it is what it is and you can't make it what it ain't just because you want it to be."

I disagree Chyrene. He is just not a Pocket Passer. His accuracy and ability to thrown on the run and while bootlegging is insane.

And I'm not totally convinced he is not a pocket passer. The Team never gave him a "pocket" to pass in last season.

Dolphin.......Both you and chastity Bono wish you had a set of Balls......

GO DOLPHINS!!!!

I think RT did just fine last season.

When one takes into consideration the 58(?) sacks, OL being such a mess, running game barely average, receivers not making it the whole season....he threw for almost 4,000 yards, with the last two games (pretty much) his worst of the season.

If...and I say If...that OL gets fixed where they are at least average, and the running game gets going, and his receivers remain healthy, AND....he and Wallace start connecting on the long ball, he will be a QB that is talked about (in a positive way) this upcoming season.

Ryan Tannehill is more Steve Young than RG3 IMO.

When RG3 lost his ability to run, he became half the QB he was the prior year.

Tannehill has the ability to be a pocket passer as well as a dual threat. He will not be rendered ineffective just because he cannot run. Running is a weapon at his disposal but not his main option.

Remember Steve Young was horrendous his first few years in the league because he was in a terrible offense with no blocking. Sound familiar? Young was sacked 47 times in 14 games in 1986.

Let's not get too caught up in one mans theory. Tannehill was still 10th in yards and 12th in TD's. You are using a mathematician's formula to scout an NFL QB. Probably not a wise move.

A football guy would want to see how well he can do with adequate blocking and some semblance of a running game before rushing to judgement on his future. If a guy can gain almost 4k yards and 26 yards with an anemic offense. Imagine what he can do with an average one. Let alone a good one.

Otherwise you are no smarter than the fools who traded away Steve Young in favor of Steve DeBerg, Rich Gannon for Elvis Grbac or Brett Favre for Chris Miller!

TreasurecoastPhinsfan Wrote:
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> I disagree Chyrene. He is just not a Pocket
> Passer. His accuracy and ability to thrown on the
> run and while bootlegging is insane.
>
> And I'm not totally convinced he is not a pocket
> passer. The Team never gave him a "pocket" to pass
> in last season.

I'm confused, Treasure. That is my point...that he is "just not a pocket passer" and that his accuracy and ability to throw on the run while bootlegging is "phenomenal."

But are you saying that you are not convinced that he cannot be, IN ADDITION, a great pocket passer because of the poor O line?

Well, obviously that remains to be seen whether it was the o line or his lack of talent AT PASSING FROM THE POCKET, but I think it was the latter. There were a couple of times when Wallace was wide open and butt naked for the deep ball and Tanny either underthrew him or overthrew him.

That could have been pocket pressure but I don't think so. I just don't think his talents lie in that direction.

JoeFootball Wrote:
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> Ryan Tannehill is more Steve Young than RG3 IMO.

RESPONSE: I wish that were true.

>
> When RG3 lost his ability to run, he became half
> the QB he was the prior year.

RESPONSE: Because he was injured being RGIII. It's the risk you run when you are that type of QB, half runner/half passer.



> Tannehill has the ability to be a pocket passer as
> well as a dual threat.

RESPONSE: I'm hoping you're right but I don't think so.

He will not be rendered
> ineffective just because he cannot run. Running is
> a weapon at his disposal but not his main option.
>
> Remember Steve Young was horrendous his first few
> years in the league because he was in a terrible
> offense with no blocking. Sound familiar? Young
> was sacked 47 times in 14 games in 1986.
>
> Let's not get too caught up in one mans theory.
> Tannehill was still 10th in yards and 12th in
> TD's. You are using a mathematician's formula to
> scout an NFL QB. Probably not a wise move.
>
> A football guy would want to see how well he can
> do with adequate blocking and some semblance of a

> running game before rushing to judgement on his
> future. If a guy can gain almost 4k yards and 26
> yards with an anemic offense. Imagine what he can
> do with an average one. Let alone a good one.
>
> Otherwise you are no smarter than the fools who
> traded away Steve Young in favor of Steve DeBerg,
> Rich Gannon for Elvis Grbac or Brett Favre for
> Chris Miller!

RESPONSE: I was not the guy who quoted any stats. dolphin had only one stat and that was the 23rd ranking.

History may prove you right that he is a Steve Young. But keep in mind that whatever your age, I am 65 and remember not only Steve Young playing but Bob Griese.

I don't see in Tannehill, Steve Young's accuracy on the long ball.

Chalk it up to the poor offensive line. You may be right but I just don't think he has the talent.

I agree we need to see Tannehill behind adequate blocking. NOBODY HAS SAID OTHERWISE except dolphin and he is MEDICAL about his hatred for Tannehill (as when he dresses in drag as dolfan1, he is medical about his love for Brady).

I'm willing to wait before I declare him a bust as a pocket passer but you need to also be willing to wait before you declare him the second coming of Steve Young before you see him perform behind an adequate or good offensive line.

Was I wrong about Dion Jordan Chyrene? I'm telling you Tannehill is an Elite back. He has it. I've been so close I can smell the success on him. God I wish we had a healthy young Jake Long to protect him. You speak to Marino and I garatee he credits Richmound Webb for much of his success. Yeah he had a sick release, but that's about it. Tannehill might not be breaking passing records ......actually he has......but he is so much more well rounded. He will be sick with the right people.

GO DOLPHINS!!!!

RGIII is an overrated stiff.

Tannehill will be 10x the qb that guy will ever be.

jsm08 Wrote:
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> RGIII is an overrated stiff.
>
> Tannehill will be 10x the qb that guy will ever
> be.


@#$%& yeah brother!

I'm drinking to that as we speak! Happy 4th!!

GO DOLPHINS!!!!

ChyrenB Wrote:
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> jsm08 Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > RGIII is an overrated stiff.
>
> He BECAME an overrated stiff AFTER his injury.
> Before that, he was tearing up the competition.


Same with Mike Vick. But you cannot keep up that style of play in the NFL for very long. RGIII lasted less then most. When I think what The Redskins gave up for him I cringe.

GO DOLPHINS!!!!

kelreign Wrote:
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> I don't have ESPN Insiders anymore (b/c I'm a
> broke, recently graduated lawyer studying for the
> Bar), so I can't see the rankings. I did pull the
> Tier groups from the video and I have a few issues
> with them.
>
> Tier 1:
> Aaron Rodgers
> Drew Brees
> Peyton Manning
> Tom Brady
> Andrew Luck
>
> **Is luck in Tier 1 already? Should this tier
> just be the first four???
> *** I can make an argument that Big Ben should be
> in Tier 1 in Luck's place. Does anyone else see
> this?

I would agree with that although Ben has had a few down years so maybe Luck and Ben should not be there.

>
> Tier 2:
> Rivers
> Roethlisberger
> Matt Ryan
> Russell Wilson
> Eli Manning
> Tony Romo
> Joe flacco
> Matthew Stafford
> Colin Kaepernick
> Nick Foles
>
> ** Why is Cam Newton not in Tier 2?

Cam is up and down too much but there are many I would not put in tier 2. I think, for me....tier two consists of players like....

Ben Roethlisberger, Phillip Rivers, Romo, Wilson and then there's a drop off to guys like Ryan, Manning, Flacco, Stafford. Foles just doesn't have enough tape to justify that high although he did have a great year.

>
> Tier 3:
> Cam Newton
> Jay Cutler
> Alex Smith
> Andy Dalton
> RGIII
> Carson Palmer
> Sam Bradford
> Ryan Tannehhill
> Josh McCown
>
> ** Seeing our QB in the bottom tier hurts. It's
> not a slap in the face b/c he hasn't really played
> at the level of a tier 2 Rivers, Rothelisburger,
> Matt Ryan... but really? I hope he can make that
> jump this year,but our O-line and WR corps may
> dictate otherwise.

It's hard for me to them put a guy like Foles in T2 but not include McCown, who also had a great year and limited work. Dalton would be borderline because he has been good since day one. He is just not elite. Bradford is not as good as Tannehill IMO because he is unreliable. His best year was not as good as RT 2013.

I think Tanne is ready to step it up this year. The new oc is just what he needs. Pocket qb's still are the long time winners in the nfl. Developing Tanne into one is not a bad thing. RG3 is still one
of the most accurate college qbs I ever saw. His new oc should help him too.

ChyrenB,

Thanks for the positive thoughts and prayers. Thankfully, the pass rate is much higher than that now. haha. I paid over $2K for a bar prep course. It costs about $1K just to sit for the exam itself. The BAr is too expensive to fail!

Joe Football,

I like your input. I think the league has under-valued Big Ben since Day 1. Also, how do we even begin to try and rate Eli Manning??? I'm putting him in my Winner's bucket. I don't want him trying to manage a game for me, but he can sure win one in the 4th (except for this past year).

Mizzou15,

I thought Tannehill was ready to step up to, but then when I see that we're going to have 5 brand new starters on the line (of course the old starters weren't good anyway except for Pouncy), I just don't know how a QB can have a good year behind that. I hope I'm wrong. I pray I'm wrong.

It makes me think back to 2008 when we had a similarly new offensive line.

LT, Jake Long (new rookie)
LG Justin Smiley (new vet FA)
C Satele
RG Ike Ndukwe (new FA)
RT Vernon Carey

They managed to rank 11th that year in rushing and only gave up 26 sacks.

"Last year he had 10 passing plays that produced 40-plus yards. Only five quarterbacks - Drew Brees, Andy Dalton, Joe Flacco, Nick Foles and Peyton Manning - produced more big passing plays in 2013 than Tannehill" - Omar K

JoeFootball Wrote:
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> "Last year he had 10 passing plays that produced
> 40-plus yards. Only five quarterbacks - Drew
> Brees, Andy Dalton, Joe Flacco, Nick Foles and
> Peyton Manning - produced more big passing plays
> in 2013 than Tannehill" - Omar K


But dolphin AKA DT will try and trash your post as soon as he sees it.

mizzou15 Wrote:
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> I think Tanne is ready to step it up this year.
> The new oc is just what he needs. Pocket qb's
> still are the long time winners in the nfl.
> Developing Tanne into one is not a bad thing. RG3
> is still one
> of the most accurate college qbs I ever saw. His
> new oc should help him too.


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Well, Mizzou, we can only hope that RT is ready to step up, but I'm afraid his progress is going to be, once again, retarded for the majority of the season. He will have five new starting offensive linemen in front of him. Not sure how that is going to turn out.

We can only hope for the best.

Joe,

Be careful, or you're going give me some unbridled optimism. Didn't know about our O-line's coach prior success. Of course, he also had better RBs, but I do believe that a RB's success is based more on the O-line than his own ability.... so we'll see.

Move Charles Clay back to FB and run I-formation. Bam!

kelreign Wrote:
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> Move Charles Clay back to FB and run I-formation.
> Bam!


I-formation? Why not bring back the Run-and-Shoot then?

"I'm drinking to that as we speak! Happy 4th!!"

That certainly explains a lot.

I do remember 1 play that was a screen and hartline broke it for an over 40 yard gain....... those over 40 plays mean nothing.

Lets look at real passes in the air.

Plays over 40 yards mean nothing????????

IF ONLY,

IF'S and But's were candy and nuts what a merry, merry, Christmas we could have.

Just Sayin, !

dolfin, if Philbin leads us to the playoffs and beats all three division teams twice, I will admit I was wrong about him but


..................

dolfin, what if Tanny next year:

1. Crashes the single season passing record

2. Is named League MVP

and

3. Leads us to a SuperBowl win,

what will be your response?

A. You were wrong about him

B. You still need to see more

or

C. He still is wrong for us as a QB

chren you will never admit you were wrong about philbin. No matter that he does.