TreasurecoastPhinsfan Wrote:
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>
> Point is Marino still has more starts then
> Tannehill ever did. But the kid continues to
> improve and never whines or cries about it. You
> people sure do make up for it though!


I would hope so...Marino played for 17 years in the NFL so I think it's fair to say he had more starts than Tannehill

But surely you're referring to number of starts *at this point in his career* Yes, good point, as is the one about Marino's team and coach being better..yes, and yes.

Shula was the complete opposite of jimmy johnson......as far as drafting.

Shula was able to put in place one of the most scary offenses in the planet. And his defense always stunk....Slow LBers lazy defensive lineman etc

Jimmy on the other have got us a great defense then drafted players for offense such as john avery. Enough said.

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If dan would of had a great defense he would had won quite a few superbowls.

samsam3738 Wrote:
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> Shula was the complete opposite of jimmy
> johnson......as far as drafting.
>
> Shula was able to put in place one of the most
> scary offenses in the planet. And his defense
> always stunk....Slow LBers lazy defensive lineman
> etc


Shula was god awful as a GM.

Never found RB, and were it not for Foster, Marino, Webb, Vincent and McDuffie he'd have been among the worst ever.

Best head coach ever, but the living embodiment of why no head coach should have both jobs.

So now Treasure would take Tanney over Marino....

hilarious!!!!!!!!

dolphin Wrote:
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> So now Treasure would take Tanney over Marino....
>
> hilarious!!!!!!!!


You have to live in the present.

Marino never won the big dance. Twist it anyway you can.

Tannehill still to be determined.

THE Truth Wrote:
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> samsam3738 Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Shula was the complete opposite of jimmy
> > johnson......as far as drafting.
> >
> > Shula was able to put in place one of the most
> > scary offenses in the planet. And his defense
> > always stunk....Slow LBers lazy defensive
> lineman
> > etc
>
>
> Shula was god awful as a GM.
>
> Never found RB,

Andra Franklin?


> and were it not for Foster,
> Marino, Webb, Vincent and McDuffie he'd have been
> among the worst ever.

A J Duhe?
John Offerdahl?
Mark Clayton?
Mark Duper?

Oh yeah...Shula stunk at drafting players

>
> Best head coach ever, but the living embodiment of
> why no head coach should have both jobs.

THE Truth Wrote:
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> samsam3738 Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Shula was the complete opposite of jimmy
> > johnson......as far as drafting.
> >
> > Shula was able to put in place one of the most
> > scary offenses in the planet. And his defense
> > always stunk....Slow LBers lazy defensive
> lineman
> > etc
>
>
> Shula was god awful as a GM.
>
> Never found RB, and were it not for Foster,
> Marino, Webb, Vincent and McDuffie he'd have been
> among the worst ever.
>
> Best head coach ever, but the living embodiment of
> why no head coach should have both jobs.

God awful is a little strong. "Never" found a RB is inaccurate...and implying "if" it were not for those players doesn't really apply because HE DID find them. One is a HOFer and two or three of the others are close if not worthy. And that is just out of the players you mentioned.

There was also Tim Bowens, Tim Ruddy, Troy Vincent, Marco Coleman, Bryan Cox, Keith Sims, Louis Oliver, Jeff Uhlenhake, Pete Stoyanovich, Harry Galbreath, Jeff Cross, Bobby Taylor, Jeff Dellenbach, Reggie Roby, Mark Clayton, Mark Duper, Joe Rose, Jim Jensen, Tony Nathan, Jimmy Cefalo, Bruce Hardy, Doug Betters, A.J. Duhe, Nat Moore, Don Strock, Bob Baumhower, Kim Bokamper, Duriel Harris, Gary Fencik, Joe Theisman...just to name a few

God Awfull....I don't think so.

How many GM's can claim they drafted or had the wherewithal to acquire 9 players that would go on to the Hall of Fame? Not to mention the MANY more who should or could be there?

He thrived as GM/HC for a couple decades before he fell off.

In the marino years he was god awfull drafting defensive players.

dolphin Wrote:
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> So now Treasure would take Tanney over Marino....
>
> hilarious!!!!!!!!


Your such a ignorant soul you can't even grasp the meaning behind a conversation. Are you really this dumb or do you have to work at it?


No one is a bigger fan of Dan Marino then me. I have a Marino Shrine in my Man cave. My first born is named Daniel. However I am a bigger DOLPHINS fan then I am a Marino fan. And as great as Dan Marino was , what did it get us? Looking at it from that context only.......I believe Tannehill can win us a Superbowl. He can get us to something we haven't seen in over 43 yrs. So looking at the big picture, in my eyes , Tannehill gets the Nod to me when he has the Lombardi Trophy over his head and Jet Fans are banging their heads against the wall .


That's your problem and the reason all you can see is whats wrong with Tannehill. Not whats right. You too stupid to see the big picture. You just want instant gratification and long balls.

GO DOLPHINS!!!!

montequi Wrote:
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> THE Truth Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > samsam3738 Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Shula was the complete opposite of jimmy
> > > johnson......as far as drafting.
> > >
> > > Shula was able to put in place one of the
> most
> > > scary offenses in the planet. And his defense
> > > always stunk....Slow LBers lazy defensive
> > lineman
> > > etc
> >
> >
> > Shula was god awful as a GM.
> >
> > Never found RB,
>
> Andra Franklin?


I was talking about finding one to compliment Marino, but fair enough. He was solid, even if he was a FB




.

>
>
> > and were it not for Foster,
> > Marino, Webb, Vincent and McDuffie he'd have
> been
> > among the worst ever.
>
> A J Duhe?
> John Offerdahl?
> Mark Clayton?
> Mark Duper?
>
> Oh yeah...Shula stunk at drafting players


He found a few here and there. And he was a great coach so he and Marino covered up a lot of the deficiencies in our drafting over that era. But a good GM hits on a half his picks and gets solid production out of the vast majority of his first rounders.

After Marino, Shula went 7 YEARS before he found even a decent player in Louis Oliver.

If he wasn't the GOAT as head coach he'd have been fired LOOONG before he got a chance to draft Richmond Webb.

Bottomline is you had the greatest passer in the history of the sport and the greatest head coach in the history of the sport teamed up for a 15 year clip. They made one losing Super Bowl appearance over that time.

If Jeff Ireland is the GM over that span of time, who takes the hit for never putting enough pieces in place for Marino to do what Brad Johnson, Trent Dilfer, Mary Rypien...let alone guys like Tom Brady... have done?

JoeFootball Wrote:
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> THE Truth Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > samsam3738 Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Shula was the complete opposite of jimmy
> > > johnson......as far as drafting.
> > >
> > > Shula was able to put in place one of the
> most
> > > scary offenses in the planet. And his defense
> > > always stunk....Slow LBers lazy defensive
> > lineman
> > > etc
> >
> >
> > Shula was god awful as a GM.
> >
> > Never found RB, and were it not for Foster,
> > Marino, Webb, Vincent and McDuffie he'd have
> been
> > among the worst ever.
> >
> > Best head coach ever, but the living embodiment
> of
> > why no head coach should have both jobs.
>
> God awful is a little strong. "Never" found a RB
> is inaccurate...and implying "if" it were not for
> those players doesn't really apply because HE DID
> find them. One is a HOFer and two or three of the
> others are close if not worthy. And that is just
> out of the players you mentioned.
>
> There was also Tim Bowens, Tim Ruddy, Troy
> Vincent, Marco Coleman, Bryan Cox, Keith Sims,
> Louis Oliver, Jeff Uhlenhake, Pete Stoyanovich,
> Harry Galbreath, Jeff Cross, Bobby Taylor, Jeff
> Dellenbach, Reggie Roby, Mark Clayton, Mark Duper,
> Joe Rose, Jim Jensen, Tony Nathan, Jimmy Cefalo,
> Bruce Hardy, Doug Betters, A.J. Duhe, Nat Moore,
> Don Strock, Bob Baumhower, Kim Bokamper, Duriel
> Harris, Gary Fencik, Joe Theisman...just to name a
> few
>
> God Awfull....I don't think so.
>
> How many GM's can claim they drafted or had the
> wherewithal to acquire 9 players that would go on
> to the Hall of Fame? Not to mention the MANY more
> who should or could be there?
>
> He thrived as GM/HC for a couple decades before he
> fell off.


That's fair...to a point. I was talking about the Marino years. Shula certainly did a great job on the 70's but he really fell off after the Marino, Clayton, Roby draft in 1983.

From 1984 to 1989 he had 63 draft picks and the 4 best players he pulled were Offerdhal, Louis Oliver, Jeff Cross and Jeff Dellenbach.


That's HORRIFIC.

It makes Jeff Ireland look like Bill Polian or George Young by comparison.

He did better over his last 6 years, but still below average.
Richmond Webb was a grand slam. Keith Sims was very good also. Bryan Cox and Troy Vincent were pretty good as well. Oj McDuffie and Tim Ruddy were very solid pro's. Tim Bowens was a stud. But that's it.


That's 11 years. Over 100 picks. One HOF level guy in Webb. another 3 or 4 who played at a pro bowl level for more than a year or two.


That's pretty awful, no?

Shula drafted David Overstreet in the 1st rd (part of Barry Schwitzers Sooners) which could have been the RB Marino needed, but unfortunately he died in a car accident after just his rookie season with the Phins... He averaged over 4.5 yards a carry during his 85 attempts his first year with the team.. If Marino had a rb with him during his career that avg 4.5 yards a carry, he would have a ring...

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Crowder52 Wrote:
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> Shula drafted David Overstreet in the 1st rd (part
> of Barry Schwitzers Sooners) which could have been
> the RB Marino needed, but unfortunately he died in
> a car accident after just his rookie season with
> the Phins... He averaged over 4.5 yards a carry
> during his 85 attempts his first year with the
> team.. If Marino had a rb with him during his
> career that avg 4.5 yards a carry, he would have a
> ring...

Overstreet might have been the answer, but that's a big "might".

Even so, if I give Shula credit for that one I have to ding him for drafting a guy in the first round and then losing him to the CFL for two years.

THE Truth Wrote:
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> Overstreet might have been the answer, but that's
> a big "might".
>
> Even so, if I give Shula credit for that one I
> have to ding him for drafting a guy in the first
> round and then losing him to the CFL for two
> years.


But that was a different time, the NFL actually had competition for the players from different leagues like, CFl and USFL... Lots of the great were lost to competing leagues back then... And those leagues only went after the good ones and paid them more.... Hershel Walker, Jim Kelly, Steve Young... Granted the CFL wasn't the USFL but at the time the owner offered him a lot more then Robbie would pay him...

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Crowder52 Wrote:
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> THE Truth Wrote:
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>
> > Overstreet might have been the answer, but
> that's
> > a big "might".
> >
> > Even so, if I give Shula credit for that one I
> > have to ding him for drafting a guy in the
> first
> > round and then losing him to the CFL for two
> > years.
>
>
> But that was a different time, the NFL actually
> had competition for the players from different
> leagues like, CFl and USFL... Lots of the great
> were lost to competing leagues back then... And
> those leagues only went after the good ones and
> paid them more.... Hershel Walker, Jim Kelly,
> Steve Young... Granted the CFL wasn't the USFL but
> at the time the owner offered him a lot more then
> Robbie would pay him...


Losing guys to the CFL was an embarrassment then as it is now.

Its one thing to lose a player to the USFL who was throwing cash around like a sailor on shore leave. Its entirely different thing to lose a first round pick to the CFL over money.

Yes but we are talking about Nelson Skalbania who paid a lot of money at the time to Overstreet compared to what anyone else was offering in USFL and NFL..The guy was offering double the money to come to the CFL and signed more then just OverStreet... It is the same guy who was able to buy Wayne Gretsky and keep him away from the NHL back in the day... So it was a special circumstance at the time and not the CFL of today... For instance he signed QB Vince Ferragamo to a $600,000 a year deal back in 1981. The prior year he was paid $47,500 by the Rams.. And he drove the price up $250,000 before the Rams bailed out of the bid...

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Crowder52 Wrote:
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> Yes but we are talking about Nelson Skalbania who
> paid a lot of money at the time to Overstreet
> compared to what anyone else was offering in USFL
> and NFL..The guy was offering double the money to
> come to the CFL and signed more then just
> OverStreet... It is the same guy who was able to
> buy Wayne Gretsky and keep him away from the NHL
> back in the day... So it was a special
> circumstance at the time and not the CFL of
> today... For instance he signed QB Vince Ferragamo
> to a $600,000 a year deal back in 1981. The prior
> year he was paid $47,500 by the Rams.. And he
> drove the price up $250,000 before the Rams bailed
> out of the bid...


Fair enough

Crowder52 Wrote:
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> Shula drafted David Overstreet in the 1st rd (part
> of Barry Schwitzers Sooners) which could have been
> the RB Marino needed, but unfortunately he died in
> a car accident after just his rookie season with
> the Phins... He averaged over 4.5 yards a carry
> during his 85 attempts his first year with the
> team.. If Marino had a rb with him during his
> career that avg 4.5 yards a carry, he would have a
> ring...


No doubt. So many elements it boggles the mind when I think back. In 1984 we were just 10 yrs away from Superbowl fame. We had the hottest QB in the NFL. A New Stadium on the Horizon. The Future looked amazing. If you told me then Dan would never get a ring and 43 yrs later we would be praying for a Wildcard spot let alone a Superbowl I would have kicked you in the nuts. But alas...... here we are. Long live Marino, he gave it 110% , the best QB that ever lived. But Not even #13 could do it all by himself.

Tanny will bring it home and get it done. Different game plan. Go Dolphins!

GO DOLPHINS!!!!

Sounds good Stamper. Hope it's right as a prediction as to who will really be running the offense.

"And as great as Dan Marino was , what did it get us? Looking at it from that context only.......I believe Tannehill can win us a Superbowl"

Thanks treasure! you give me great laughs every time!

Lazor has A LOT of work to do with Tannehill, who practiced poorly on Tuesday. He was picked off by Cortland Finnegan during 11-on-11, and two other defensive backs dropped possible interceptions. His unit stalled consistently, and it was so bad Lazor said he hopes the offense doesn't look this bad the next time the media is watching, which will be next Monday. Tannehill is consistently inconsistent, and that's something Lazor needs to fix. He also holds onto the ball too long, which is also something that seemed to agitate Lazor.

It's so sad that you spend so much time on this board for the sole purpose of bashing Tannehill. It's getting boring.

Joe, he just "outed himself" on another thread as also being "dolfan1" who we all have unanimously determined is actually a Patriots fan!

I know. I actually caught it and remarked on it in the next post.

just watched his first PC, wow, very impressed with the guy... He is detailed, precise, confident and comes across as an extremely smart guy... After seeing his first PC, I think we might have hit a home run with this guy... Seems to me the smartest guy we have had in our room in a long time....

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Sure. He will have a great year and then get a HC job and RT will be on to the next offensive system. I hope Zac Taylor is taking notes.