Not gonna happen Sam.

This is one of the deepest olineman drafts in a while , why would we move up when we can get quality in 1,2 and 3rd rounds?

GO DOLPHINS!!!!

But outside of the top 5, who can start as a rookie?

1 Robinson
2 Mathews
3 Lewan
4 Martin

Possibly #5 Joel Bitonio?

The next guys have not impressed me at all. They don't look like LT's ready to play. They look like lumps.

6 Cyrus Kouandjio
7 Morgan Moses
8 Antonio Richardson

It may be a deep draft and there will be a gem found somewhere below the radar but if we want a starting LT, I think it has to come in FA.

With this being a deep draft in the top 3 rounds, there are too many open positions to be found to be trading picks this year IMO.

We should be able to find 2 starters in the first 3 rounds this year. Likely a DT and an OG.

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“I'm here" You're welcome!" - Kenny Powers

We should fill the LT position in free agency. I would then sign Claybo another 1 year contract. Then draft a tackle in rnds 2 or 3. Robinson, Mewhort, Moses all should be able to compete or be ready to compete in 2015.

I really hope we do not wait until the 3rd round and try to draft a blind side tackle to start.


We need a sure thing.....


Isnt tannehills blind side valuable to all of you?


It sure is to me.


One good crack could end a QBs career.


We need a can't miss player here.

samsam3738 Wrote:
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> I really hope we do not wait until the 3rd round
> and try to draft a blind side tackle to start.
>
>
> We need a sure thing.....
>


Then you aren't going to fill that spot in the draft. No draft pick is a sure thing.

You want an NFL ready LT then you pay for one in free agency.


Besides, the best LT in this draft is going #2 to St Louis.

No way we can afford to trade up to #2 or #1 to get Robinson.

It would cost us the rest of our draft and a pick next year too boot.

mizzou15 Wrote:
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> We should fill the LT position in free agency. I
> would then sign Claybo another 1 year contract.
> Then draft a tackle in rnds 2 or 3. Robinson,
> Mewhort, Moses all should be able to compete or be
> ready to compete in 2015.


I agree we need to hit FA hard. But Claybo? really? McKinny gets a 1 yr if it was up to me. Claybo was horrible, Huge part of the problem last season. But going back to Sam's OP , moving up in this draft makes no sense. We have too many holes. I'd even be for unloading Dion Jordan for even more picks. The Jets have 12 picks in this draft! Lets hope they continue to pick shit. We need to start hitting on drafts or we are going to forever be a laughing stock.

GO DOLPHINS!!!!

Don't forget that Jeff Fisher has a little history with the Mathews clan so he may lean towards Jake. He had pretty good luck with Bruce. He was taken 9th overall in the 83 draft. Good genes right there. 17 years he started all 16 games!!!

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agreed, this is not the year to trade up

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The beatings will continue until morale improves.

may trade down some and get Martin and pick up a 2 or 3

I woudn't move at all unless a team gave us a can't refuse deal...to trade down. Trading up is simply too expensive for us this year.

As far as the O-Line goes, I'd sign a F/A LT, on day one, resign McKinnie, grab a F/A G and then take a RT and a G the draft.

Beyond that, depends on who is available.

What is it with all the love for McKinnie? He gave up 7 sacks in 10 games last year, 13 hits and 38 hurries!!! And he is twice the pass blocker as he is a run blocker.

That means he probably gets Tannehill sacked 12-15 times next year. There was a reason he was cut/replaced in Baltimore.

He's not even a good option at backup. You need someone with potential and someone who can play multiple spots.

We could throw a dart at the FA LT board and find a better left tackle.

Time to move on from losers.

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“I'm here" You're welcome!" - Kenny Powers

Ireland isn't the GM, so you can't base your logic on what we did last year. Hopefully our new GM will make better decisions on draft day!

I rather have 1 good starting caliber draftee as opposed to 4 scrubs.


I wouldnt mind if they traded up for the next 6 years and build this thing right.


We are not going to the playoffs this year with the team anyways.


We ve trading down and it hasn't worked and its never going to work.

We traded down once and got john avery when we could of had randy moss.


That was such a great move wasn't it?

jlyell13 Wrote:
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> may trade down some and get Martin and pick up a 2
> or 3


If Ebron is off the board, that's what I'd do.

eesti Wrote:
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> What is it with all the love for McKinnie? He gave
> up 7 sacks in 10 games last year, 13 hits and 38
> hurries!!! And he is twice the pass blocker as he
> is a run blocker.
>
> That means he probably gets Tannehill sacked 12-15
> times next year. There was a reason he was
> cut/replaced in Baltimore.
>
> He's not even a good option at backup. You need
> someone with potential and someone who can play
> multiple spots.
>
> We could throw a dart at the FA LT board and find
> a better left tackle.
>
> Time to move on from losers.

The only way I'd bring McKinnie back is as a reserve. We need an upgrade at LT. We can live with status quo at RT. If we Re-sign any ot it should be Clabo.

samsam3738 Wrote:
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> We traded down once and got john avery when we
> could of had randy moss.
>
>
> That was such a great move wasn't it?

We stayed put once and drafted Dan Marino. What's your point?

THE Truth Wrote:
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> samsam3738 Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > We traded down once and got john avery when we
> > could of had randy moss.
> >
> >
> > That was such a great move wasn't it?
>
> We stayed put once and drafted Dan Marino.
> What's your point?

My point is they need to do something different because what theyve been doing for ever hasn't worked.

We are not close to been contenders and its going to take a while.

Id be happy to hit on just one player big time every year for 6 or 7 years.

Trade up.

samsam3738 Wrote:
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> THE Truth Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > samsam3738 Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > We traded down once and got john avery when
> we
> > > could of had randy moss.
> > >
> > >
> > > That was such a great move wasn't it?
> >
> > We stayed put once and drafted Dan Marino.
> > What's your point?
>
> My point is they need to do something different
> because what theyve been doing for ever hasn't
> worked.
>
> We are not close to been contenders and its going
> to take a while.
>
> Id be happy to hit on just one player big time
> every year for 6 or 7 years.
>
> Trade up.



We are doing something different.

We have a guy named Hickey selecting the players this year.

eesti Wrote:
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> What is it with all the love for McKinnie? He gave
> up 7 sacks in 10 games last year, 13 hits and 38
> hurries!!! And he is twice the pass blocker as he
> is a run blocker.
>
> That means he probably gets Tannehill sacked 12-15
> times next year. There was a reason he was
> cut/replaced in Baltimore.
>
> He's not even a good option at backup. You need
> someone with potential and someone who can play
> multiple spots.
>
> We could throw a dart at the FA LT board and find
> a better left tackle.
>
> Time to move on from losers.


LOL. He came here from another Team and started Immediately. Without knowing the Offense our line immediately started to play better , gelled and stopped giving up sacks. His presence made Claybo and everyone on that line better. He definitely earned another 1 Yr contract. Guy can still play and with some time behind the offense now he is a great cheap option to have around . We pick up 2 Rookies in the draft a guy like McKinny will pay for himself teaching them a thing or two about Superbowl caliber play.

GO DOLPHINS!!!!

samsam3738 Wrote:
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> THE Truth Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > samsam3738 Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > We traded down once and got john avery when
> we
> > > could of had randy moss.
> > >
> > >
> > > That was such a great move wasn't it?
> >
> > We stayed put once and drafted Dan Marino.
> > What's your point?
>
> My point is they need to do something different
> because what theyve been doing for ever hasn't
> worked.
>
> We are not close to been contenders and its going
> to take a while.
>
> Id be happy to hit on just one player big time
> every year for 6 or 7 years.
>
> Trade up.

Wasn't trading up to #3 last year "something different"?

samsam3738 Wrote:
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> THE Truth Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > samsam3738 Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > We traded down once and got john avery when
> we
> > > could of had randy moss.
> > >
> > >
> > > That was such a great move wasn't it?
> >
> > We stayed put once and drafted Dan Marino.
> > What's your point?
>
> My point is they need to do something different
> because what theyve been doing for ever hasn't
> worked.
>
> We are not close to been contenders and its going
> to take a while.
>
> Id be happy to hit on just one player big time
> every year for 6 or 7 years.
>
> Trade up.


Getting a New General Manager is not something different?

Glad you would be happy hitting on 1 player a draft. How did that work for New Orleans when Ditka traded everything for Ricky Williams? You get sillier and sillier Sam.

GO DOLPHINS!!!!

TreasurecoastPhinsfan Wrote:
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> LOL. He came here from another Team and started
> Immediately. Without knowing the Offense our line
> immediately started to play better , gelled and
> stopped giving up sacks. His presence made Claybo
> and everyone on that line better.

That's huge speculation right there. He still gave up 7 sacks in 10 games. Clabo said himself it took time to learn the zone concepts. He had NEVER played in a zone blocking scheme before BUT according to you, the new guy on the opposite side of the line made him play better. LOL

Adding McKinnie wasn't the only change made on that line. Getting rid of the two knuckleheads playing grab-ass probably had as much to do with it as anything.

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BTW TCPF................If that year comes back where ricky williams was drafted....


And i was the phins head coach....and had a chance to do it all over again.....I would trade my entire draft picks for him.....


He was a one man wrecking crew when he was here. Especially against the jets.


The best RB we've had for a while.

eesti Wrote:
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> TreasurecoastPhinsfan Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > LOL. He came here from another Team and
> started
> > Immediately. Without knowing the Offense our
> line
> > immediately started to play better , gelled and
> > stopped giving up sacks. His presence made
> Claybo
> > and everyone on that line better.
>
> That's huge speculation right there. He still gave
> up 7 sacks in 10 games. Clabo said himself it took
> time to learn the zone concepts. He had NEVER
> played in a zone blocking scheme before BUT
> according to you, the new guy on the opposite side
> of the line made him play better. LOL
>
> Adding McKinnie wasn't the only change made on
> that line. Getting rid of the two knuckleheads
> playing grab-ass probably had as much to do with
> it as anything.


Huge speculation? LOL. Call it whatever makes you feel better. Bottom line, Our O line was giving up 4-5 sacks a game amd was on parr to be the worst line in the history of the game until ONE thing changed. We traded for McKiney. He started right away and there was a dramatic change. Call it chemistry , call it Claybo's learning curve, whatever. That's a fact Jack. Guy earned another 1 yr contract IMO. Absolutely.

GO DOLPHINS!!!!

And i also wish people would stop saying this team is going to sign a free agent LT.....For what 2 or 3 years?


We need someone whos going to last a while.


You need to realize free agent Oline guys havent worked out for this team..ever. For the last 15 years we have signed a bunch free agent Oline scrubs...including all those free agent Olinemen scrubs from dallas.