Truth- The teams that are consistently good also, alway have pretty good defenses to complement their offense.... Don't forget that part of it... Your oline and QB can't limit the other teams scoring... And obviously the more your opponent scores, the more you have to score.... If was all about the Oline and QB, Marino would have had a stack of Superbowl Rings...
Every opponent is different you have to have flexibility to match up against everyone, the more holes you have the less likely you can do so... Philbins first year, one of our biggest problem was we gave up too many big plays and didn't create turn overs... This year our run d and offensive line were our biggest problem... Going back to giving up too many big plays and no turn overs would not be good for the team... Grimes helped with not giving up a TD all season to the opposing teams number 1. That is a big deal.. He also helped in creating turnovers.... That also should not be written off... He prevented scores from number 1 WRs and took the ball away, that is impactful on games...

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Crowder52 Wrote:
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> Truth- The teams that are consistently good also,
> alway have pretty good defenses to complement
> their offense.... Don't forget that part of it...
> Your oline and QB can't limit the other teams
> scoring... And obviously the more your opponent
> scores, the more you have to score.... If was all
> about the Oline and QB, Marino would have had a
> stack of Superbowl Rings...
> Every opponent is different you have to have
> flexibility to match up against everyone, the more
> holes you have the less likely you can do so...
> Philbins first year, one of our biggest problem
> was we gave up too many big plays and didn't
> create turn overs... This year our run d and
> offensive line were our biggest problem... Going
> back to giving up too many big plays and no turn
> overs would not be good for the team... Grimes
> helped with not giving up a TD all season to the
> opposing teams number 1. That is a big deal.. He
> also helped in creating turnovers.... That also
> should not be written off... He prevented scores
> from number 1 WRs and took the ball away, that is
> impactful on games...



We already have a "pretty good defense" crowder.

We had one without Grimes.

What we don't have is an Oline. If we have an Oline it makes the whole team better.

It gives RT a chance to develop into a legit QB. Which makes us a contender. It gives us a chance to run the ball and control the clock which makes our defense better and also makes our passing game better.

Having Grimes instead of an Oline doesn't do any of that.

Sure I'd like to have both, but like I said before...if its Grimes or an Oline...I'll take the Oline now and look for a "grimes" later.

whack a mole. fix a problem create another. tired of this.
resign grimes and build an OL thru the draft and thru smart (not overpaying) FA signings. it's what real nfl teams do.

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berkeley223 Wrote:
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> whack a mole. fix a problem create another. tired
> of this.
> resign grimes and build an OL thru the draft and
> thru smart (not overpaying) FA signings. it's what
> real nfl teams do.


Sound strategy.

Wake me in 3 years when we have invested the draft picks in our Oline that the teams that played yesterday have.

Early reports out of Mobile, from conversations with scouts across the league, is that this is a deeper OT class than expected. That's good news for the Dolphins, who could use a couple (at least one as a starter).

THE Truth Wrote:
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> Crowder52 Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I don't think you have to choose between Grimes
> > and an Oline... If we have a GM that can draft
> > decent in the first 3 rds we have a chance to
> get
> > multiple starters...
>
> I don't have a problem with that but if you are
> going to rebuild the Oline through the draft then
> you are basically punting on this season.
>
> Not that a new GM couldn't draft 3 impact starters
> in 4 rounds, its just near impossible.
>
> Most Olineman take a year to get acclimated to NFL
> strength-wise, even first rounders.
>
> Few guys step in like Jake Long did and anchor a
> line right away.
>
>
>
>
> > In the first 3 picks I would
> > get a tackle, guard and LB... In whatever order
> > works best... Whichever position has the weaker
> > class depth wise you most likely pick the
> > earliest... If a stud at any of those positions
> > falls to you with your first pick you run to
> turn
> > in the pick...
>
> I'd rather sign an impact LT, a starting RT and a
> LG.
>
> Then draft talent at any position.
>
>
>
>
> >
> > We need to build through the draft... I
> understand
> > that since we got nothing from pretty much 3 of
> > our 4 first 4 picks last year, we don't have a
> lot
> > of faith in such an idea... But good GM's can
> get
> > starters, and impact guys in those first 3
> rds....
> > I am not a big fan of spending big money on
> FA's,
> > you only do that if you can't draft.... Our 3
> > biggest money FA last year, were Wallace,
> Ellerbe
> > and Wheeler.... We don't need to do that again,
> > that is for sure...
>
> I'd spend on the Oline. Those guys are proven
> NFL level players. There's no adjustment period
> from a physical standpoint.
>
>
>
>
> > While Grimes we got for 5
> > million... And now should keep him, instead of
> > hand the money to some FA that most likely will
> > underperform his contract, like Wallace,
> Ellerbe
> > and Wheeler did in that spot this year...
>
>
> I'd like to keep Grimes.
>
> But if I only have enough money for him or a LT
> like Brandon Albert or Eugene Monroe, then I'll
> take the LT.

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I understand what you are saying, Truth, and am on board. Saying that, if that is the way the Fins' FO goes, then we can say goodbye to Grimes, as there will be a team (or teams) out there that will be willing to pay him the bucks.

cshashaty Wrote:
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> Early reports out of Mobile, from conversations
> with scouts across the league, is that this is a
> deeper OT class than expected. That's good news
> for the Dolphins, who could use a couple (at least
> one as a starter).

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Seantrel Henderson from the UM is projected as a 4th rounder.

If this guy has his head on right, he could be a steal.

but we let go of grimes and try to find another grimes in the draft.....there fore another cb pick....which mean one less Oline drafted.


Need to resign grimes and get as many Oline players in the draft as possible.


You dont accomplish anything letting your best players go to other teams.

Thats how we got into the mess we are in the first place. Letting go of players such as welker etc.

eesti Wrote:
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. We don't
> have as big a need for a TE but the value may be
> there.
>

sure we do. We've got clay and no one else, and clay is not a real TE but more a FB/HB type. I'd put TE up there with any non-OL, LB, or DB position as greatest need
I'd love it if Ebron was there at our spot in the 1st

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What about Dion Sims? We saw one spectacular catch by him early in the season and then ....poof.....never saw him again.

Maybe he was never thrown to afterwards.


Or maybe he never saw the field again.


You guys tell me.

berkeley223 Wrote:
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> eesti Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> . We don't
> > have as big a need for a TE but the value may
> be
> > there.
> >
>
> sure we do. We've got clay and no one else, and
> clay is not a real TE but more a FB/HB type. I'd
> put TE up there with any non-OL, LB, or DB
> position as greatest need
> I'd love it if Ebron was there at our spot in the
> 1st


That would make my draft day.

4 OL from free agency and Ebron in the 1st round could make our offense elite.

ChyrenB Wrote:
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> What about Dion Sims? We saw one spectacular
> catch by him early in the season and then
> ....poof.....never saw him again.
>
> Maybe he was never thrown to afterwards.
>
>
> Or maybe he never saw the field again.
>
>
> You guys tell me.

strictly backup material

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Dion Sims like Jordan will have an oppurtunity for more playing time this year. He could challenge for the starting position.