Nothing and everything.

Nothing in terms of the fact that our missing players did not hurt us.

Everything in that the same poor general coaching that allowed the atmosphere for bullygate to exist was responsible for that crucial penalty on Reshard Jones at about the 44 yard line that added 15 yards taking the ball down to the 29 yard line.

I can't help but think that no player playing for Coach Shula would have made such a stupid play.

HE KNEW that we couldn't afford such a penalty. Taking a cheap shot like that was absolutely ridiculous.

I mean, maybe you hold a guy or pass interference when you have to weigh the guy making the catch anyway against the fact that the ref might not see it but that was dumb man! No upside. The play was over.

To me the coach that coaches a guy who does not recognize that situation is missing something crucial.

Coaches aren't allowed to yell at the players anymore. The added motivation of being called a dumbass might have pushed them past the choking point. But god forbid you hurt feelings anymore.

GO DOLPHINS!!!!

You should coach em to realize how important it is not to indulge in a tricky little shove out of bounds that gets you absolutely nothing even if it goes undetected. Particularly at a time when you DESPERATELY need to stop a drive by them right in their tracks at midfield when you are leading by three.

How do you do it?

IN THE HUDDLE: All right guys, we need to stop em. And no dumb penalties!

This team has no character players, and a no direction. When is the last time we beat a good team without them beating themselves? How about hell I can't even remember.

ChyrenB Wrote:
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> Nothing and everything.
>
> Nothing in terms of the fact that our missing
> players did not hurt us.
>
> Everything in that the same poor general coaching
> that allowed the atmosphere for bullygate to exist
> was responsible for that crucial penalty on
> Reshard Jones at about the 44 yard line that added
> 15 yards taking the ball down to the 29 yard
> line.
>
> I can't help but think that no player playing for
> Coach Shula would have made such a stupid play.

RE: We are the least penalized team in the league so there is some kind of player discipline going on.

>
> HE KNEW that we couldn't afford such a penalty.
> Taking a cheap shot like that was absolutely
> ridiculous.
>
> I mean, maybe you hold a guy or pass interference
> when you have to weigh the guy making the catch
> anyway against the fact that the ref might not see
> it but that was dumb man! No upside. The play
> was over.
>
> To me the coach that coaches a guy who does not
> recognize that situation is missing something
> crucial.

colonel Wrote:
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> Dolphins have always been one of the least
> penalized teams

Always? I beg to differ. During JJ's and Wanny's years we were one of the MOST penalized teams in the league.

the jones penalty was stupid but it was anything but a cheap shot.

he put his hands on newton's shoulder and cam flopped. you could see cam laughing after the play.

I have to Give R. Jones a pass on that penalty. He got shoved into Newton by a Panther player then barely touched Newton as if to make sure he didn't fall down then Newton flopped like the punk he is

I think that there is a DISTINCT DIFFERENCE in terms of coaching in not making penalties overall AND MAKING THAT PARTICULAR CRUCIAL penalty.

It was a time when we could not afford ANY penalty. Obviously, on pass interference where the defender feels he is beaten anyway, it may be a smart play to interfere and take your chances but shoving a guy out of bounds is an entirely different thing.

Where coaching is involved is in the huddle saying "OKAY, Guys, No dumb penalties."

Bottom line, you can't use the fact that we are the least penalized team in football to excuse the INEXCUSABLE. Poor coaching.

Now to Chambers, I saw several replays of the penalty and they confirmed my first impression.


I said "OH GOD!" I knew it was a penalty and I just prayed there would be no flag but there was.

For Godsakes Reshard had his hands out in front of him pushing the guy!

Even if momentum carried him, you should have your arms out like a swan and if you hit the guy at all, it's with your chest all the better to argue that you could not stop your own momentum.

he didn't shove him.

you think you saw him shove him because you want something to blame on philbin but he didn't. he reached out as if to keep newton from falling and newton flopped.

hatred does weird things to people.

Or maybe it's YOU misreading the Rorschach test. I have no doubt that Newton flopped. That's not the question!

The question is was it an intentional foul.

That call is an intentional one.

The refs can't call it like "interference" which does not require intent on the part of the offender.

It's "unsportsmanlike conduct."

The referee HAS TO MAKE A DECISION THAT THE OFFENDER INTENTIONALLY COMMITTED THE FOUL.

Therefore, Cam Newton's exaggeration DIDN'T MAKE A DIFFERENCE!

The ref didn't call that BECAUSE he pushed him "this hard or THAT hard."

It's not that kinda foul. The ref made the call BECAUSE he ruled that Reshard INTENTIONALLY hit him out of bounds, regardless of HOW HARD!

If Reshard had gone over on the sidelines and hit Cam across the helmet with Reshard's own CHIN-STRAP, the penalty would be the same.

It's a "evil conduct" penalty not a "hard hit" penalty.

he called it because newton flopped. had he stayed on his feet they wouldn't have thrown the flag.

it looked like a vicious hit. that's why it was flagged. unfortunately it wasn't and it cost us 15 yards.

I've said my part and you've said yours.

Yes, he flopped but as I said before, from the moment Jones put his hands on Newton OUT OF BOUNDS he put himself at the mercy of the Refs whether Cam fell or not.

Now you do ME a favor. Go back and watch it and concentrate on Reshard Jones's arms and hands.

Look at where those hands are WHEN RESHARD IS STILL IN THE FIELD OF PLAY. They are down.

His hands only go up AFTER HE, RESHARD HIMSELF, IS OUT OF BOUNDS.

How does the ref NOT call a hit out of bounds when the man ONLY PUTS HIS HANDS OUT TO MAKE THE HIT AFTER HE LEAVES THE FIELD OF PLAY.

I think Cam was as much laughing about the bonehead play as he was that he pulled something over on the refs.

gosh. you're right.

in addition I think I see a tiny little philbin on his shoulder ordering the hit!

or it could be 2 players going 100mph in opposite directions with jones trying to hold him up if they hit.

That's funny jsm. But like I said, "If you like your Philbin, you can keep him!- Barack Obama."

but You have got to know (and be coached to know) that in THAT situation, THE MOST IMPORTANT THING is to not get that penalty.

Because you KNOW it could be called as a foul!

AND BTW, if he was trying to help Cameron and keep Newton from falling, you would have seen a clutch of the jersey, a pull of the jersey and pull back by Cam's body.

Did you see that? I didn't.

All I saw is a forward motion by Cam, flop or not.

I saw Cam grinning because he damn well knew that he had been given an early Christmas present.

Dude, never run a business or your employees will bankrupt you.

It was a dumb penalty on Jones' part, one that was unnecessary, but...

Look closely at the play...Jones barely touched Cam as he was going out of bounds, which is why Cam came up laughing. When I first saw the play, the camera angle made it look like Jones slammed into him, but that wasn't the case.

Evidently, the ref who called it didn't have a clear view of the play.

But...that's the way the whole season has been going for every team in the NFL; bad calls, phantom calls, ticky-tacky calls.

The NFL needs to revisit the rule book and fix these things. Anyone else getting tired of seeing a flag on just about every kick?

ChyrenB Wrote:
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> I totally agree with you Cap but like you said,
> you don't even put your team in that position.
>
> Sometimes I think that all of the refs conspire to
> help the Patriots so that even if or when WE, The
> Bills or the Jets ARE PLAYING SOMEONE ELSE, they
> make bad calls JUST TO HELP THE PATRIOTS ALTHOUGH
> the Patriots aren't even playing in those games
> because they know we are division rivals to the
> Patriots.
>
> That Patriot owner is paying off somebody.
>
> Yes, they got me paranoid.
>
> That's precisely WHY, you can't do anything that
> gives the refs discretion.
>
> Had Jones had his arms out wide like a swan and
> had hit Newton WITH HIS (JONES') CHEST due to the
> fact that his momentum carried him into Cam, I
> would be all with you.
>
> But the bottom line is that you've gotta play
> smart.
>
> All that being said, I'm not that convinced of
> Reshard's innocence.
>
> so he says that he was trying to grab Cam to keep
> Cam from running into something.... that's
> questionable to me.
>
> Cam smiling? That's upsetting you guys. He
> deserves to smile after such a bone head play by
> Reshard, whether he flopped or not.

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I didn't go into it on the post, Chryen, but I agree Jones should not have put himself in that position in the first place. Cam wasn't going anywhere (except out of bounds). Why touch him at all?

No, Cam's smiling doesn't upset me. I mentioned it because he knew a flag was thrown on a stupid play by Jones. Just gave the Panthers another 15 yards. Dumb, just plain dumb! Hard to realize these guys are professionals. They just don't get the simplest things about football.

Yeah, and though I blame Philbin for that kind of lack of crucial discipline, one can't help but also blaming Jones for lack of overall commonsense. Dammit, even if he WAS trying to help Newton, he should have better sense than that.

Reshard is what, a safety? That's a thinking position.

Does it matter? We lost embarrassingly, "might I add" due to bad play calling and we also have a inaccurate kicker. Can't win consistently when your play calls are only consistently good.

Quote: Does it matter? We lost embarrassingly,



Well, no but we still lost.

It was a close game it wasn't a blowout.

You know like andrew luck lost like 41 to 17 or so last week? Now that was embarrasing.