about an hour and 15 minutes from miami.

And only 45 Minutes from the Treasure Coast.

Hell I might even be able to get some LEO details out of this.

GO DOLPHINS!!!!

I didn't get the feeling from the article that they were going out of their way to look at PB County but only that they were open to looking at any proposal or option.

I don't see how it gets done.

If Ross wouldn't foot the entire bill in Miami why would he do it in Palm Beach County?.

It would have to be a sweet deal. And wouldn't the state likely have to get involved in the process or do you think the county is in a position to close a deal like that on its own?

Why? Because Ross has F YOU money. The whole landscape has changed since 1966. Most fans have moved North and travel South for the games. This makes sense on so many levels. Plus it makes a point to the politicians who wouldn't let the people decide. They shouldnt hold office much longer.

GO DOLPHINS!!!!



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TreasurecoastPhinsfan Wrote:
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> Why? Because Ross has F YOU money. The whole
> landscape has changed since 1966. Most fans have
> moved North and travel South for the games. This
> makes sense on so many levels. Plus it makes a
> point to the politicians who wouldn't let the
> people decide. They shouldnt hold office much
> longer.


I'm not saying it couldn't happen. Just looking for insight.

I'm just not sure why Ross would invest $1B+? to buy land and build an entirely new facility an hour or so north of the current site, which he also owns and which he could fully renovate for 400M. I know he's rich and he's pissed but do you really think that he'd throw away $500m or more just to move up the turnpike and flip the proverbial bird to Weatherford?



I would imagine that it would have to be a sweet deal for that to happen. I don't know anything about the local politics there or the processes they'd have to go through. Just wondering if they can get it done without state help, because based on past events it seems they have at least one enemy in Tallahassee who could kill any state aid.

West Palm may be considering to BUILD the stadium. It would Co$t Ross doughnut$ . Then lease it to the Dolphins for $30 yrs. It would insure the future of the ballclub, raise jobs , bring Superbowls, . The Hard Rock Casino already does Uber well in West Palm. We just had the Sunfest. I saw Clapton there last March. Golf Courses, And don't even begin to mention the Indain owned Casinos. They could buy it themselves and lease it to the Phins. HUGE business opportunity Miami will be sorry they let go.

GO DOLPHINS!!!!

TreasurecoastPhinsfan Wrote:
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> West Palm may be considering to BUILD the stadium.
> It would Co$t Ross doughnut$ . Then lease it to
> the Dolphins for $30 yrs. It would insure the
> future of the ballclub, raise jobs , bring
> Superbowls, . The Hard Rock Casino already does
> Uber well in West Palm. We just had the Sunfest. I
> saw Clapton there last March. Golf Courses, And
> don't even begin to mention the Indain owned
> Casinos. They could buy it themselves and lease it
> to the Phins. HUGE business opportunity Miami will
> be sorry they let go.

interesting

The city of Miami seems to be failing in a lot of ways.

I don't live in the state of Florida anymore, (haven't for many, many years) but I wouldn't have a problem with them moving to Palm Beach.

If they did, would Ross change the name to Florida Dolphins, ala the Boston Patriots?

Doesn't sound right, but whatever.

captkoi Wrote:
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> The city of Miami seems to be failing in a lot of
> ways.
>
> I don't live in the state of Florida anymore,
> (haven't for many, many years) but I wouldn't have
> a problem with them moving to Palm Beach.
>
> If they did, would Ross change the name to Florida
> Dolphins, ala the Boston Patriots?
>
> Doesn't sound right, but whatever.




Who are the Boston Patriots?

THE Truth Wrote:
>
>
> Who are the Boston Patriots?


They just Killed a bunch of shitheads from Russia.



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THE Truth Wrote:
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> TreasurecoastPhinsfan Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > West Palm may be considering to BUILD the
> stadium.
> > It would Co$t Ross doughnut$ . Then lease it
> to
> > the Dolphins for $30 yrs. It would insure the
> > future of the ballclub, raise jobs , bring
> > Superbowls, . The Hard Rock Casino already does
> > Uber well in West Palm. We just had the Sunfest.
> I
> > saw Clapton there last March. Golf Courses, And
> > don't even begin to mention the Indain owned
> > Casinos. They could buy it themselves and lease
> it
> > to the Phins. HUGE business opportunity Miami
> will
> > be sorry they let go.
>
> interesting


I actually thought about this for Orlando because they have some much more land out that way and opportunity for growth, but the more I think about it West Palm makes way more sense. Its established, the Tax $$$ is there and the NFL would only permit it if it had a big Television /cable viewing audience. That's the bottom line. West Palm fits the bill in everyway. 1 Superbowl in that area would almost be worth the investment. Not to mention the promise of Several. God I hope this is not just talk. I might even become a season Ticket holder again.

GO DOLPHINS!!!!

Treasure, the Hard Rock Casino and Indian casinos are not in Palm Beach, they are in Broward, the Hard Rock is actually very close to the Dolphins Training Facility which is located in Davie... It is in between Griffin and Stirling RD...
The Dolphins are not moving anywhere. Moving the team to Palm Beach still kills the huge value of owning your own stadium and surrounding property. Part of Ross's plan was to enhance the whole SUn Life Stadium area so there would be a value in building condos and shopping/retail centers, etc... He isnt going to move the team with any rationale involved... But who knows what could happen, he just gave away 2 billion dollars, so anything is possible...But I am certainly not going to worry about it, or believe the BS until something that seems illogical like that were actually to happen...

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if ross owns sun life stadium, and it's major tenant leaves, doesn't that insanely devalue the property he owns? someone explain how we can take this threat at face value?

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I was at the Hard Rock recently, I thought it was West Palm. It could have been more south I guess. And West Palm still has its share of successful communities and businesses. I believe Jupiter is where Ross lives along with Tiger Woods. Its the wealthiest part of Florida and one of the biggest populations. The Tax $$$$ could cover it easily and the move would make the investment back and then some.

There is still a ton of Value in getting a new stadium built for your Team completely on the Tax Payer dime. I believe Miami is one of the only Teams that actually does own its own stadium. It would be like you getting a new ultra modern Luxurious house built for free. You get to move and live there while you keep your old house and get to rent it out.

South Fla has a large Hispanic population in Miami , the Venue could easily house soccer, International baseball, anything you want including Monster Truck events and concerts.

Win/Win. Ross is 73 yrs old. He wants Superbowls. He wants to be a part of the In crowd . A New Mega Stadium built by someone else is wayyyyyyy better then a fixer upper done to a27 yr old stadium. As good as it currently is.

GO DOLPHINS!!!!

berkeley223 Wrote:
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> if ross owns sun life stadium, and it's major
> tenant leaves, doesn't that insanely devalue the
> property he owns? someone explain how we can take
> this threat at face value?


Simple.

Old stadiums can be bulldozed and turned into other profitable real estate ventures. The guy has made $4.5B doing just that, right?

Secondly, there are MANY ways a new city could offset his "loss" on his current property. They could sell him some property cheap, or build a new stadium and lease it to him for $1 a year...or partner up with him on the costs...or give him tax breaks...etc...etc...etc.


There's more than one way to skin a cat.


The property he owns now is depreciating. Its going to depreciate even faster if its not upgraded or modernized. At some point in time it becomes more profitable to explore other options than to stay married to a loser. And make no mistake, if nobody is upgrading that 28 year old facility, its going to become a loser real fast.

Look, its no easy thing to move a team to another city. I'm sure nearly all owners would prefer to stay where they are. besides, there just aren't that many great opportunities out there. Take LA off the table and you'd be hard pressed to find a suitable area of the country that's a better opportunity than Miami.

But a good deal is a good deal. If someone offers him, or a new owner, a better deal than what he has now he's going to look at it.

Plenty of cities have funded stadium projects with sweetheart leases to lure pro sports franchises. It's nothing new.

If the Jets/Giants can move from the Bronx, to Queens, to NJ and almost to Manhattan its no stretch for another area of S. Florida to decide they want the prestige and money that comes with the Dolphins AND the money from Super Bowls and NCAA bowl games.

captkoi Wrote:
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> The city of Miami seems to be failing in a lot of
> ways.
>
>



City of Miami has had nothing to do with the Dolphins since they played in the Orange Bowl.

The current stadium has always sucked when compared to the Orange Bowl. Building a new house could be a good thing.

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DolfanKing Wrote:
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> The current stadium has always sucked when
> compared to the Orange Bowl. Building a new house
> could be a good thing.


How so? Please explain your statement. I think part of your problem here is that you make harsh statements without explaining yourself. Comes off very Troll like. I agree the current stadium was built as an all purpose , multi sports facility. So its got two large dumb looking baseball dugouts on the field and the Sidelines are Huge and fans are seated very far away. That makes it less intimating for visiting fans and easier for them to hear play calls and to concentrate. That home "edge" is missing.

As soon as the Marlins left , right after they fixed the infield for good I thought the seating would be the first thing addressed. I guess at this point the are looking to take away seating , not add any. But the dugouts need to go .

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TreasurecoastPhinsfan Wrote:
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> DolfanKing Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > The current stadium has always sucked when
> > compared to the Orange Bowl. Building a new
> house
> > could be a good thing.
>
>
> How so? Please explain your statement. I think
> part of your problem here is that you make harsh
> statements without explaining yourself. Comes off
> very Troll like. I agree the current stadium was
> built as an all purpose , multi sports facility.
> So its got two large dumb looking baseball dugouts
> on the field and the Sidelines are Huge and fans
> are seated very far away. That makes it less
> intimating for visiting fans and easier for them
> to hear play calls and to concentrate. That home
> "edge" is missing.
>
> As soon as the Marlins left , right after they
> fixed the infield for good I thought the seating
> would be the first thing addressed. I guess at
> this point the are looking to take away seating ,
> not add any. But the dugouts need to go .


You say "how so?", then answer for me. You spend so much time tripping over yourself to call me a troll that you completely miss the point.

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Miami Dolphins. Always Perfect.

Hey, Orlando is only 4 hours from Miami. If the city agreed to tear down the Citrus Bowl and build a new state-of-the-art stadium...I wonder if the Phins would move here!

Orlando would never fly. Way too close to Tampa and Jacksonville. Imagine having all 3 teams in Florida within an hour of each other (guessing, maybe Tampa and Jacksonville are 1 1/2 hrs apart).

BobT Wrote:
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> Orlando would never fly. Way too close to Tampa
> and Jacksonville. Imagine having all 3 teams in
> Florida within an hour of each other (guessing,
> maybe Tampa and Jacksonville are 1 1/2 hrs apart).


Tampa and ORLANDO are about 1 1/2 hrs apart.

JC Wrote:
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> DolfanKing Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > .
> >
> >
> > You say "how so?", then answer for me. You
> spend
> > so much time tripping over yourself to call me
> a
> > troll that you completely miss the point.
>
>
> He didn't call you a troll in that post. He said
> your *posts* come off as troll-like.
>
> Then you post an answer like the above,
> reinforcing the notion.
>
> All he did was ask you to expand on your answer,
> then he gave HIS perceptions of JRS. If you count
> that as answering for you, then I believe you're
> mistaking that for the concept of *agreeing with
> someone*.
>
> You're spending so much time tripping over
> yourself to play the victim after posting nothing
> but negativity on this forum, that YOU completely
> miss the point.
>
> I've been to both stadiums. Here's what I think
> was an improvement when we went from the OB to
> JRS:
>
> The seats. As nostalgic as the painted benches
> were at the OB, they weren't great.
>
> The 'facilities.' Concessions, bathrooms, etc.
> all vastly improved. The players' locker rooms
> were no doubt better as well.
>
> Access for fans from the north. Highway exit
> basically dedicated to the stadium.
>
> Sightlines from distant seats At the OB, some
> seats were much better than others when viewing
> the action was concerned. While JRS seats were
> further from the field, you at least had fewer
> obstructions.
>
>
> Here's what was NOT improved at JRS:
>
> Home field advantage. at the OB the seats were
> so close that the fans seemed to be on top of the
> field. The noise was factor was great. It
> seemed to be a hotter place as well, not only
> because most games were at 1:00--the architecture
> probably allowed less of a breeze as well.
>
> parking Many aren't going to agree with me, but I
> believe it was much easier to pay a resident near
> the OB a few bucks to park in his driveway, then
> easily escape via the street grid after the game.
> JRS has bottlenecks to leave the parking areas.
>
>
> So, do you care to answer "how so?" or would that
> be impossible for you because it might involve
> either agreeing with someone, or may somehow
> involve posting something positive about an aspect
> of the team.

He is a troll JC.

He's only here to post inflammatory stuff and get a reaction. When people call him a troll he gets defensive about being persecuted and misunderstood, then when people engage him and challenge his BS he complains about them picking on him.

Classic troll behavior.

It would be so much better if people just ignored him. If nobody paid attention to, or responded to, his nonsense he'd move on to find others who would.

IMO there are two things terribly wrong with our current stadium....

1. Not enough video monitors around the stadium.

2. Seats are too far from the field.

These could both be remedied for far less than 400 mil. The AZ Cardinals paid 455 mil for their entire facility only 10 years ago.

The fancy sun shade is a luxury and probably over half the cost of the renovation. The idea for this was to prevent people from running off in the middle of the SuperBowl but you know what? The new roof is only going to protect the fans in the upper seating areas. The high priced seats closest to the field will still be subject to the weather.

I don't dislike the new roof concept but I think Ross needs a new contractor and architect...or at least a few more bids.

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eesti Wrote:
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> IMO there are two things terribly wrong with our
> current stadium....
>
> 1. Not enough video monitors around the stadium.
>
> 2. Seats are too far from the field.



These were the renovations that were going to be covered by the 65% of the overall funds that were coming from Ross.

Specifically, the seating issue. Its a competitive disadvantage to have the seats so fat from the field but its a residual effect from the stadium being designed for Baseball and football.


>
> These could both be remedied for far less than 400
> mil. The AZ Cardinals paid 455 mil for their
> entire facility only 10 years ago.


Ross costs were Around $250m. So yes, those two issues, and a few other cosmetic things, could be done for $250m.



>
> The fancy sun shade is a luxury and probably over
> half the cost of the renovation. The idea for this
> was to prevent people from running off in the
> middle of the SuperBowl but you know what? The new
> roof is only going to protect the fans in the
> upper seating areas. The high priced seats closest
> to the field will still be subject to the
> weather.



This was the requirement for the NFL to consider the awarding more Super Bowls. The awning might not cover 100% of the seats depending on which way the wind is blowing, but the last thing the NFL wants in its showcase game is 80,000 empty seats because its raining. They can live with a few thousand fans having to run for cover.


>
> I don't dislike the new roof concept but I think
> Ross needs a new contractor and architect...or at
> least a few more bids.


I have no problem with the costs. NY and Dallas spent $1.5Billion each to build new stadiums just 2-3 years ago.

$400m or so for an overhaul and a partial roof isn't outrageous.