Crowder52 Wrote:
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> Berk- I dont think there is a chance in hell they
> move the team or anybody moves the Dolphins...
> Everything that is happening right now from Dee,
> is just posturing, from a weak position... They
> would kill the value of the franchise, without
> owning the stadium. To suggest a change of use for
> the property is absurd.. You only change uses with
> property if the new use has significantly more
> value then the previous use... That property
> becomes D- quality property with out the
> Dolphins.. There are not enough soccer games ,
> monster truck shows, or stadium concerts to
> support the current use as a stadium.. Besides
> they are not turning any of those events away
> currently.. So it would all be a huge net loss
> either way... Aint going to happen.. I would be
> more then happy to put my money where my mouth is
> on this issue... It is a no brainer... Truth,
> while I respect his opinion, is just trying to
> grasp for straws justifying the angle and position
> Ross and Dee are trying to sell, passive
> aggressively of course, with very little success..
> In the next 5 years or so, something will happen
> with the stadium unless Ross and Dee dont continue
> to burn every bridge while making ass's of
> themselves and the organization.. I think it is
> incredibly ridiculous, Ross just gave away 2
> billion dollars to charity, but is making these
> huge ordeal about tax payers money and will not
> invest and extra 150-200 million or so into the
> stadium.. All of this just continues to add to
> the absurdity of Stephen Ross,
> But I am not surprised, the guy has handled
> himself like a douche for a while, so why should I
> expect anything different..
> He should just sell the team, it hasnt served the
> purpose he intended, sure he is more famous, but
> not in a good way...

truth is right, I am 100% in agreement with you

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The beatings will continue until morale improves.

It ain't happening in L.A. dude. Just finished listening to the Mayoral Debate in L.A. to replace the incumbent Antonio Villaraigosa.

The two contenders, a labor Democrat from the San Fernando Valley and a Liberal Democrat from the East Hollywood area.

Both talked about a stadium near the Coliseum, i.e., gangland.

No NFL owner is going to go there and die on the vine for lack of a crowd as did first the Rams and then the Raiders.

But maybe you guys are saying Ross is stupid enough to?

I don't think so.

I heard something interesting about LA. It's the #2 TV market but if they get a team and it doesn't sell out then there is no NFL on TV in the market that day. Conversely, if there is no team they get the nfl on TV every game day. Meaning for TV purposes, it's not such a huge deal if there's a team, and they may actually prefer no team to one that doesn't sell out on a weekly basis.

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The beatings will continue until morale improves.

JC Wrote:
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> DolfanKing Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > .
> >
> >
> > You say "how so?", then answer for me. You
> spend
> > so much time tripping over yourself to call me
> a
> > troll that you completely miss the point.
>
>
> He didn't call you a troll in that post. He said
> your *posts* come off as troll-like.
>

Oh please. When that guy isn't disrespecting my family or coming up with public fantasies about my death, he's calling me a troll. Saying I'm "troll-like" is just another flavor of his nonsense.


> Then you post an answer like the above,
> reinforcing the notion.
>

I don't really care. Some people are quick to judge - I don't want much to do with those folks anyway.


> All he did was ask you to expand on your answer,
> then he gave HIS perceptions of JRS. If you count
> that as answering for you, then I believe you're
> mistaking that for the concept of *agreeing with
> someone*.
>

I've proven time and time again that when someone who is respectful of me asks me an honest question, that I respond honestly and reasonably. This guy has NEVER asked me an honest question.



> You're spending so much time tripping over
> yourself to play the victim after posting nothing
> but negativity on this forum, that YOU completely
> miss the point.
>

This is laughable. The only time I feel like I'm the victim is when I look and see who is running this team.

If you really think that I'm playing the victim here, then maybe I should start fantasizing about the death of posters and calling out people's moms... Sorry, that is not my style. I'd much rather point to stats and a scoreboard and make my point that the front office is completely lost.



> I've been to both stadiums. Here's what I think
> was an improvement when we went from the OB to
> JRS:
>
> The seats. As nostalgic as the painted benches
> were at the OB, they weren't great.
>
> The 'facilities.' Concessions, bathrooms, etc.
> all vastly improved. The players' locker rooms
> were no doubt better as well.
>
> Access for fans from the north. Highway exit
> basically dedicated to the stadium.
>
> Sightlines from distant seats At the OB, some
> seats were much better than others when viewing
> the action was concerned. While JRS seats were
> further from the field, you at least had fewer
> obstructions.
>
>
> Here's what was NOT improved at JRS:
>
> Home field advantage. at the OB the seats were
> so close that the fans seemed to be on top of the
> field. The noise was factor was great. It
> seemed to be a hotter place as well, not only
> because most games were at 1:00--the architecture
> probably allowed less of a breeze as well.
>
> parking Many aren't going to agree with me, but I
> believe it was much easier to pay a resident near
> the OB a few bucks to park in his driveway, then
> easily escape via the street grid after the game.
> JRS has bottlenecks to leave the parking areas.
>
>
> So, do you care to answer "how so?" or would that
> be impossible for you because it might involve
> either agreeing with someone, or may somehow
> involve posting something positive about an aspect
> of the team.


JRS fails in almost all respects. But the biggest is that it is much better to sit at home and watch a game then actually go to that stadium. The Orange Bowl was the opposite.

As far as the seats and the facilities... I stood on top of the benches for the entire game. They made good noise when I stomped. No problem there. And maybe the ladies room wasn't up to snuff, I don't really know, but the mens room lines were just as long in both stadiums and taking a leak on old porcelain is just as good as taking a leak on new porcelain. Food sucks at both places. Beer is way more expensive at JRS.

So when comparing JRS vs. the Orange Bowl, the OB is the '72 Phins and JRS is the rest of the league. I'll be happy when they finally blow the joint up, as long as the idiot owner keeps them in South Florida.

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THE Truth Wrote:
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> eesti Wrote:
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> -----
> > IMO there are two things terribly wrong with
> our
> > current stadium....
> >
> > 1. Not enough video monitors around the
> stadium.
> >
> > 2. Seats are too far from the field.
>
>
>
> These were the renovations that were going to be
> covered by the 65% of the overall funds that were
> coming from Ross.
>
> Specifically, the seating issue. Its a
> competitive disadvantage to have the seats so fat
> from the field but its a residual effect from the
> stadium being designed for Baseball and football.
>
>

The seats were far away because of soccer more than baseball,and that won't change. The stadium was poorly designed to begin with.

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Miami Dolphins. Always Perfect.

All the talk of moving makes me sad. I live in West central Florida, about an hour north of Tampa. So, in a practical way, it would be much easier if the Phins moved to Orlando or even West Palm. Much shorter trip for me. However, this team is the MIAMI Dolphins. To call it something else would remove a huge part of what this team is to me as a fan. I'm hoping that this, like a lot of team relocation talk, is just a phase, and that it goes away soon.

berkeley223 Wrote:
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> I heard something interesting about LA. It's the
> #2 TV market but if they get a team and it doesn't
> sell out then there is no NFL on TV in the market
> that day. Conversely, if there is no team they get
> the nfl on TV every game day. Meaning for TV
> purposes, it's not such a huge deal if there's a
> team, and they may actually prefer no team to one
> that doesn't sell out on a weekly basis.


That might have been an issue under the old blackout Rules. But they changed them last year and they will likely be changed again before there is a team out there.

Local TV contracts are peanuts compared to the national revenues which are now split evenly. Blacking out a local TV broadcast in order to fill the stadium is something that is being phased out.

Odenn Wrote:
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> All the talk of moving makes me sad. I live in
> West central Florida, about an hour north of
> Tampa. So, in a practical way, it would be much
> easier if the Phins moved to Orlando or even West
> Palm. Much shorter trip for me. However, this team
> is the MIAMI Dolphins. To call it something else
> would remove a huge part of what this team is to
> me as a fan. I'm hoping that this, like a lot of
> team relocation talk, is just a phase, and that it
> goes away soon.


I could go away soon Odenn.

Other than an upgrade to the current facilities, the best way to make that happen is for another team to move to LA.

Once that happens, it really doesn't make much sense financially to move out of the state.

Lets hope it happens soon.

TreasurecoastPhinsfan Wrote:
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> DolfanKing Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > THE Truth Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > eesti Wrote:
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > > -----
> > > > IMO there are two things terribly wrong
> with
> > > our
> > > > current stadium....
> > > >
> > > > 1. Not enough video monitors around the
> > > stadium.
> > > >
> > > > 2. Seats are too far from the field.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > These were the renovations that were going to
> > be
> > > covered by the 65% of the overall funds that
> > were
> > > coming from Ross.
> > >
> > > Specifically, the seating issue. Its a
> > > competitive disadvantage to have the seats so
> > fat
> > > from the field but its a residual effect from
> > the
> > > stadium being designed for Baseball and
> > football.
> > >
> > >
> >
> > The seats were far away because of soccer more
> > than baseball,and that won't change. The
> stadium
> > was poorly designed to begin with.
>
>
>
>
> Wrong. The Stadium Rehab included specifically
> 3000 new seats all much closer to the sidelines.
> They were going to cut out approx. 8000 seats up
> top to accommodate the new Umbrella type roof and
> the new Video screens. The stadium was not poorly
> designed. It was designed on purpose to
> accommodate several different sports. Now Ross
> wanted to bring it back to a Football only
> stadium.
>

It was poorly design because it had to accomodate soccer. Even with the additional seats, it won't help most of the people. Putting a few thousand seats close to the field and getting rid of 8000 useless corner end zone upper deck seats still won't help the tens of thousands of seats that have poor sight lines and are too far away.

And to say it wasn't poorly designed is pure ignorance. Just go up to Tampa and you can see the difference. You obviously have never been to the Orange Bowl - that was a well designed, albeit poorly maintained, stadium.

Rearrange the chairs on the titanic won't make things better, even if some fools will be fooled by it. Truth is, the best thing that could happen to the team, after Ross sells the team and Ireland gets fired, would be for a new stadium to be built.

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Miami Dolphins. Always Perfect.

Dolfanking wrote: Truth is, the best thing that could happen to the team, after Ross sells the team and Ireland gets fired, would be for a new stadium to be built.


Sell the team?


Only in a jet fan's dream.

That fake spike really got to you didn't it?

LMAO.


And in 2013 we got better and the $HITS got worst...


Now you are going to endure the phins kicking The $Hits ass for a while.

GO PHINS.

samsam3738 Wrote:
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> Dolfanking wrote: Truth is, the best thing that
> could happen to the team, after Ross sells the
> team and Ireland gets fired, would be for a new
> stadium to be built.
>
>
> Sell the team?
>
>
> Only in a jet fan's dream.
>
> That fake spike really got to you didn't it?
>
> LMAO.
>


Jet fans are probably look at Ross and Ireland and Laughing. They know that the Phins will never amount to anything with those two in charge.


>
> And in 2013 we got better and the $HITS got
> worst...
>
>
> Now you are going to endure the phins kicking The
> $Hits ass for a while.
>
> GO PHINS.

I'm not a Jets fan. I hate the Jets. But as long as our ownership is crappier than the Jets, we've got big trouble.

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Miami Dolphins. Always Perfect.

DolfanKing Wrote:
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> >
> I'm not a Jets fan. I hate the Jets. But as long
> as our ownership is crappier than the Jets, we've
> got big trouble.




That's what Fireman Ed said.

GO DOLPHINS!!!!

DolfanKing Wrote:
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> >
>
> I've proven time and time again that when someone
> who is respectful of me asks me an honest
> question, that I respond honestly and reasonably.
> This guy has NEVER asked me an honest question.
>

The only thing you've proven time and time again is that you have nothing to say positive about this team. Ever. Not only are you always negative, but you repeat the same negativity over and over again. This is why so many are ignoring you, and why I'm now skipping ahead to the part of your post that is on topic and not a regurgitation of something negative you've already said many times:

.
>
>
> JRS fails in almost all respects. But the biggest
> is that it is much better to sit at home and watch
> a game then actually go to that stadium. The
> Orange Bowl was the opposite.
>

I suppose that's subjective...I happen to agree with you somewhat here, but that may be because as a kid I saw a lot of great, historic games at the OB. Bart Starr's final game in 1971, when the Packers still had Nitschke and a couple other players from their championship teams on their roster (we kicked the Pack's butts). Beating the Pats 52-0 in a game where Jim Del Gaizo threw two TD passes. Watching Griese break his leg vs San Diego, then seeing Morrall lead the team in 1972 including a nail biting victory against Mike Phipps and the Cleveland browns in the playoffs. I also saw Marino and the Phins ruin the Bears' shot at a perfect season in '85.

At JRS I saw a lot fewer games, and none of them was historically important.


> As far as the seats and the facilities... I stood
> on top of the benches for the entire game.

Didn't we all!


> They
> made good noise when I stomped. No problem there.

No problem for me as a kid....would I like standing up on a bench the whole time at my age? Maybe not....we'll never know.


taking a leak on
> old porcelain is just as good as taking a leak on
> new porcelain.

True, but others care about this stuff.

As for the beer being expensive..yeah. everything's more expensive. But those cokes they had at the OB, over ice with the plastic wrap across the top--those were a LIFESAVER at $1 each.

DolfanKing Wrote:

> I'm not a Jets fan. I hate the Jets. But as long
> as our ownership is crappier than the Jets, we've
> got big trouble.

Okay well I'll try to explain this then:

1) Change your signature. It screams "I'm a troll and not a fan."

2) Stop repeating the same negative statements in every thread you post in.

3) Show the people on this board that you're an actual fan by posting something that contributes to a thread in a positive manner.

Every single Phinatic on this board understands what it feels like to be frustrated to the point of disgust with this team. We have been through this low point in the franchise and lack of playoff births for over a decade. However, we all don't come on this board and bash the team 100 percent of the time. We have decent discussions about our beloved team, contributing information, debating aspects of said information, and at the same time venting our frustrations in a way that doesn't come off like an asshole. You won't get sympathy here for your format of postings thus far because we've all been through this as fans as well and none of us find the need to pollute our forum home with negative crap constantly.

DolfanKing Wrote:
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> TreasurecoastPhinsfan Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > DolfanKing Wrote:
> >
> > >
>
> It was poorly design because it had to accomodate
> soccer. Even with the additional seats, it won't
> help most of the people. Putting a few thousand
> seats close to the field and getting rid of 8000
> useless corner end zone upper deck seats still
> won't help the tens of thousands of seats that
> have poor sight lines and are too far away.
>
> And to say it wasn't poorly designed is pure
> ignorance. Just go up to Tampa and you can see
> the difference. You obviously have never been to
> the Orange Bowl - that was a well designed, albeit
> poorly maintained, stadium.
>
> Rearrange the chairs on the titanic won't make
> things better, even if some fools will be fooled
> by it. Truth is, the best thing that could happen
> to the team, after Ross sells the team and Ireland
> gets fired, would be for a new stadium to be
> built.




Your a DB. I've been to many stadiums to see my beloved Dolphins. veterans in Philly , I grew up in New York City ad have seen them in Old Shea Stadium as well as The Meadowlands in Jersey several times. I went to six games last year at Sunlife. There is NOT a bad seat in the house. When you look down though you do see all the wasted space on the giant field sidelines.

Poor sightlines are due to you watching the games on your knees in the bathrooms. That's your problem. Nothing wrong with Sunlife. Its got great bones. But a New Stadium in West Palm , designed specifically for th Dolphins and Superbowls would be awesome and the way to go IMO. Either way , its a shame nothing is being done at al presently.

GO DOLPHINS!!!!

I once said that I did NOT think you were dolfan1, who was an obvious Pats fan. Someone told me I was wrong. I'm beginning to agree with that someone.

The number "1" person in any country is the King.

So dolfan1 is the dolfanKing.

Moreover, you both seem to take a lot of abuse without getting mad. Only a fan of another team would take such abuse without getting mad because his point is not his feelings for the team but to just go on another team's chatboard and say, "Your team is the pits."

Also as someone else pointed out, you guys seem to come and go at different times.

I think I'll "search" and see if one of you have ever responded to the other.

Very true. One of the rules of law is a rule of evidence that says that when one does not hotly deny that which would be scandalous, if true, the jury can take silence as an indication of the truth of the allegation.

I'm just going to adopt the approach that I did with dolfan1. Every time he posted I'd just respond that he was a loser, take a hike, go back to asking his mom for hotpockets and playing warcraft. Don't bother responding to the actual subject matter of his posts, just repeat how much of a queen he is.

Odenn Wrote:
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> DolfanKing Wrote:
>
> > I'm not a Jets fan. I hate the Jets. But as
> long
> > as our ownership is crappier than the Jets,
> we've
> > got big trouble.
>
> Okay well I'll try to explain this then:
>
> 1) Change your signature. It screams "I'm a troll
> and not a fan."
>
> 2) Stop repeating the same negative statements in
> every thread you post in.
>
> 3) Show the people on this board that you're an
> actual fan by posting something that contributes
> to a thread in a positive manner.
>
> Every single Phinatic on this board understands
> what it feels like to be frustrated to the point
> of disgust with this team. We have been through
> this low point in the franchise and lack of
> playoff births for over a decade. However, we all
> don't come on this board and bash the team 100
> percent of the time. We have decent discussions
> about our beloved team, contributing information,
> debating aspects of said information, and at the
> same time venting our frustrations in a way that
> doesn't come off like an asshole. You won't get
> sympathy here for your format of postings thus far
> because we've all been through this as fans as
> well and none of us find the need to pollute our
> forum home with negative crap constantly.



You're right. From now on, I'll be nothing but positive. This is the best the team has been since the days of Chad Pennington.

Ireland is an obvious genius. Just look at how high he picks in the draft.

And everything this owner has done is part of a long game. Not to move the team. but to bring JRS to the level of the glory days of the Orange Bowl.

No more negativity. I've even changed my signature. It is clear that this team has a shot to go deep in the playoffs this year. And anyone who thinks otherwise is an obvious troll.

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There you go again DK. Why all the negativity!? Deep into the Playoffs!? We are Superbowl bound! Chad Pennington? really? This is the best this Team has been since Jay Fielder!

GO DOLPHINS!!!!

And yet you guys keep conversing with him.............

Treasure and dolphaholic he enjoys taking all the abuse.


He is just a frustrated fan of another team.

And chren hit the nail on the head when he said this....


Quote: moreover, you both seem to take a lot of abuse without getting mad.


I had thought of that for a while....i had it in the back of my mind.


Dolfan1 all over again

Since we've stopped talking about the topic at hand...this thread is over.