samsam3738 Wrote:
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> WHo knows what type of drugs or crack cocaine
> their parents did for a kid to be born like that.
>
> Nobody knows why a kid is born like that.


seriously?

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Quite true. Anyone who is not gay doesn't REALLY understand it, and never will.

Rick

I wouldn't blame him.

Rick

Good philosophy. I suspect that I'll wish I had tomorrow.

Rick

I do think Marriage can be defined as a privilege to a man and woman for the purpose of procreation and furthering the survival of society.. But I do also think it is fair for 2 men or 2 women living together willing to make the commitment to be able to have all the same rights as man and woman married in the eyes of the govt..

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Finshady Wrote:
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> I am saying marriage is between a man and a woman
> always has been, and always will be. Anything
> different would create a special class of people
> who re define what traditional marriage is. you
> got it now. You can call it civil unions or any
> thing else just not marriage. Because in the eyes
> of our creator is not, and will never be a true
> marriage.


Things change Finshady as people evolve. Traditional marriages used to include numerous wives which were arranged by your parents and who were purchased for goats and chickens. They don't anymore.

Truth- they all are different and have different reasoning behind them but ultimately all citizens are not equal and do not have the same privileges or rights under law... How you classify and prioritize them is personal.

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May I suggest you look up the definitions of the two words "empathy" and "sympathy" and compare them?

Rick

dolphan4545 Wrote:
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> Quite true. Anyone who is not gay doesn't REALLY
> understand it, and never will.


Fully understand it? No, you are right. Its impossible to completely know what another is going through.

But one can empathize.

Crowder52 Wrote:
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> I do think Marriage can be defined as a privilege
> to a man and woman for the purpose of procreation
> and furthering the survival of society.. But I do
> also think it is fair for 2 men or 2 women living
> together willing to make the commitment to be able
> to have all the same rights as man and woman
> married in the eyes of the govt..


Since when do you have to be married to procreate?

If your issue is with the survival of the species then you should be rewarding people for having children, not for declaring their undying love and living together.



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Truth- IMO book any man that chooses to get married for any other reason but to pro-create is absolutely crazy(lol)... The law surely isnt equal for man and woman when it comes to divorce... You'd be a mad man literally to sign up for that one sided contract...hahaha

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Crowder52 Wrote:
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> Truth- they all are different and have different
> reasoning behind them but ultimately all citizens
> are not equal and do not have the same privileges
> or rights under law... How you classify and
> prioritize them is personal.


maybe one of our lawyers can step in and explain this to you since I'm clearly not doing a good enough job.

We all have the same rights under the laws that are constitutional.

That's not to say we've never had laws on the books that weren't constitutional, just that some times it takes a while for us to realize the mistake and fix it.

But there's an ENORMOUS difference between elected officials deciding what income levels get taxed at what rates and people deciding to deny rights to other because they don't like them. Unless of course you want to argue that the constitution doesn't give the people the right to raise taxes.

You could argue they are similar if we had one tax rate, drinking age, voting age, etc, etc for white people and another for non-white people. But we don't. So they aren't even remotely similar, are they?

Truth- simple question- Are there certain rights and or privileges granted to some groups and not others in this country under law?

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> Truth- IMO book any man that chooses to get
> married for any other reason but to pro-create is
> absolutely crazy(lol)...



>Something we agree on.



> The law surely isnt equal
> for man and woman when it comes to divorce...


Sure it is. 50/50...that's equal.

I dont consider lifetime alimony...and then child support and half.. 50/50

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Crowder52 Wrote:
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> I dont consider lifetime alimony...and then child
> support and half.. 50/50


Why not? Traditional marriage is for all eternity. Why wouldn't giving half your income for the rest of your life be in line with that concept?

no thanks, I got married and also signed a prenuptial agreement. A man without a contingency plan is a foolish man... Sometimes your greatest gifts and loves can one day become your biggest nightmares...

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Truth- To be honest with you I think gays have it made, I wish marriage was illegal between a man and a woman... Where do I sign up, take my rights away!

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Crowder52 Wrote:
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> no thanks, I got married and also signed a
> prenuptial agreement. A man without a contingency
> plan is a foolish man... Sometimes your greatest
> gifts and loves can one day become your biggest
> nightmares...


Amen to that.

OmarKelly I'm not sure why it is necessary for gay pro athletes to come out, or be outed. But I will admit I don't understand their struggle.

The king of DB's speaks...

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“I'm here" You're welcome!" - Kenny Powers

If you can imagine what it's like to have gay sex you have a better imagination than me.

Rick

no- sympathize.

Rick

Crowder, let me answer your question for once and for all. Yes, there are a million different classifications wherein people are treated differently.

However, we are talking about a fundamental right being denied based on something the person had no choice in.

Obviously, my experience being Black provides me with a closer perspective. My momma died when I was 5 years old leaving my father, with four kids on his hand, the oldest two being 11 year old and 8 year old girls, then came an 7 year boy, my big brother and then me.

Three years later, my father married the classiest woman in the world, the woman I call my mother, the woman who raised me. My father had to find a mother for his four kids. When I think back on my mother, both parents died in the 90's, all I can think of is what a lady she was.

However, during the 50's we took a trip to OKC from Lawton. I remember that I was about 9 years old. We were in a car on the way back. Nature called as to my mother. My father had to pull over to the side of the road and this great lady had to go down a ditch in order to do her business. Why, because the places along the road in which she could have used the bathrooms had "No Colored" signs on them.

Crowder try to put yourself in somebody else's shoes for once.

The right to have the government recognize your union, whether it is called marriage or darriage IS a fundamental right, far more fundamental than the right to use a public restroom.

The right for a person to have the legal authority to be admitted into a hospital room when that loved one is lying on a death bed is fundamental.

There is no way you can parse it or qualify it.

That's all I can say except to again refer you to the phenomena that automatically takes place in the minds of those who AREN'T being discriminated against. I detailed it in my post above.

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> If you can imagine what it's like to have gay sex
> you have a better imagination than me.


I can only do that when I see you post Big boy...

Imagine if a football player who plays center announces that he is gay. I would lol.