Why?
Makes absolutely no sense.... We had 4 awesome options...now down to 3.....who is gonna play slot?

If they had drafted Swope...I would've understood the move...

Good draft...but very puzzling to trade away a good receiver that would've given us very good depth.

Ireland you blew it with this move!

They are going West Coast. 10 Yd completions mid field doesn't make Touchdowns. I loved Bess. But how many Touchdowns did he have? He was not worth a shit in the Red Zone. I think he is a great player though and a quality person. The Browns could have done much worse.

GO DOLPHINS!!!!

Expect Rishard Matthews to be the slot

binns or matthews I suppose will be #4 WR

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The beatings will continue until morale improves.

Gibson in the slot....per Philbin who said (when asked about Bess) he wished he had a bigger body in the middle.

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“I'm here" You're welcome!" - Kenny Powers

Dion sims is a tight end. And Gibson is not a slot receiver...

Neither is Richard Matthews....we now have a hole...

Point is...Bess was a cheap option for slot, punt returns...and depth at wide receiver in case of injury...

Absolutely terrible move by ireland...he actually impressed me this offseason...except blew it by trading Bess for nothing!!!

He did the same thing last season by trading away marshal and getting nobody to replace him..

Bess is arguably the 3rd best slot receiver in the league.

steviec13 Wrote:
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> Dion sims is a tight end. And Gibson is not a slot
> receiver...
>
> Neither is Richard Matthews....we now have a
> hole...
>
> Point is...Bess was a cheap option for slot, punt
> returns...and depth at wide receiver in case of
> injury...
>
> Absolutely terrible move by ireland...he actually
> impressed me this offseason...except blew it by
> trading Bess for nothing!!!
>
> He did the same thing last season by trading away
> marshal and getting nobody to replace him..
>
> Bess is arguably the 3rd best slot receiver in the
> league.

We don't have a hole at slot wr.

Our system requires 5 guys who ALL can play the slot as well as X & Y spots.

Right now we have 3 guys we know can play all three spots (Wallace, Hartline & Gibson) and we have 2 other we think can...Matthews and Binns.

i don't really care about bess, he'd have been cut this offseason anyway. good to get his $$ off the books and he's got a chance at more PT in cle

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The beatings will continue until morale improves.

Dude,

It's called "DEPTH"... 2.6 mill for insurance and some production is well worth it...
How do we feel if Gibson tears his acl in training camp?

Would've been nice to have Bess around...

Was absolutely silly do trade him for nothing!!!



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steviec13 Wrote:
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> Dude,
>
> It's called "DEPTH"... 2.6 mill for insurance and
> some production is well worth it...
>

Really? What if we have a chance at signing Albert or Winston before camp? That $40 million we had in cap space has disappeared and we have a boat load of rookies to sign. Stop making something out of nothing. Its about time this Team found some Nuts.

GO DOLPHINS!!!!

Stop dreaming about Albert. That avenue is "dead"....he is signed ....
We had enough $$$ to keep Bess...2,6 mill extra is not gonna break the bank..

Bess has some chemistry with tanny...that was worth something...

steviec13 Wrote:
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> Dude,
>
> It's called "DEPTH"... 2.6 mill for insurance and
> some production is well worth it...
> How do we feel if Gibson tears his acl in training
> camp?
>
> Would've been nice to have Bess around...
>
> Was absolutely silly do trade him for nothing!!!


We didn't give him away for nothing. We traded him and a 7th round pick for Mike Gillisee.

Really...I beg to differ that we got a kicker who may not even make the team!

Trading Bess away was purely stupid!

steviec13 Wrote:
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> Really...I beg to differ that we got a kicker who
> may not even make the team!
>


That would certainly fit your narrative better, but its just another thing you are wrong about in this thread.


Sturgis was our LAST pick in round #5. That was our Compensatory pick, which could not be traded.

The pick two spots before that was the one we got from Cleveland for Bess...that pick was Mike Gillisee.



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steviec13 Wrote:
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> Why?
> Makes absolutely no sense.... We had 4 awesome
> options...now down to 3.....who is gonna play
> slot?
>
> If they had drafted Swope...I would've understood
> the move...
>
> Good draft...but very puzzling to trade away a
> good receiver that would've given us very good
> depth.
>
> Ireland you blew it with this move!

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I think that's where Gibson is going to play.

BTW Steviec, were you ever on the Dolphins Message Board on AOL?

THE Truth Wrote:
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> steviec13 Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Really...I beg to differ that we got a kicker
> who
> > may not even make the team!
> >
>
>
> That would certainly fit your narrative better,
> but its just another thing you are wrong about in
> this thread.
>
>
> Sturgis was our LAST pick in round #5. That was
> our Compensatory pick, which could not be traded.
>
> The pick two spots before that was the one we got
> from Cleveland for Bess...that pick was Mike
> Gillisee.

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With Carpenter's problems over the last few years, along with his salary, I think Sturgis is going to be Miami's kicker. All he has to do, at the very least, is stay close to Carpenter's production during the competition and he has the job.

Captkoi,,,the answer is "no"

The one thing I will miss about Bess is the 3rd down conversion efficiency....hopefully Gibson can mimic what Bess brought to the table.

steviec13 Wrote:
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> The one thing I will miss about Bess is the 3rd
> down conversion efficiency....hopefully Gibson can
> mimic what Bess brought to the table.

I hear ya steviec13. Bess was one helluva slot who came to us undrafted and earned his job the hard way. Kept a whole bunch of drives alive. I admired Bess back when he played here at UH, and I remember being totally stoked when he got his chance to play for my favorite NFL team.

Although losing the dude to the Browns hits my gut pretty hard, I have to remain loyal and true to the Dolphins. I understand the direction they want to take, so perhaps if Bess were just a little taller and a little faster he might still be here. At least he didn't head to NE, that would have really torn me up.

TreasurecoastPhinsfan Wrote:
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> You guys make me laugh. You cry about the same old
> Phins. Then we make some dramatic changes and
> point in a new direction and you cry.

^^^^^THIS^^^^^^^

I agree getting rid of Bess was stupid. He was open often last year when they could double team him, this year he would be wide open.

Gibson is going to be a bust..... he made one good catch and they signed him.

I am a fan of Matthews, but there are few receivers in the NFL like Bess who are open all the time.

Marshall even commented on what a beast Bess was

steviec13 Wrote:
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> Captkoi,,,the answer is "no"

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OK, thanx.

Just from my experience, but rarely do you spend a 5th rd pick on a kicker who you dont plan on making the team... Carpenter is going to be a salary dump victim just like Bess. Philbin is a new coach, new system, he wants his guys..
I heard rumblings that Philbin wanted a bigger target then Bess going across the middle. And also that he questioned whether or not Bess could have competed in the last couple games, but chose not to because they didnt mean anything...

I like Bess, and thought he was a good insurance policy, but just like we moved on from R Bush, we moved on from him, also for the purpose that he would have prevented other guys from getting more playing time..

Bush would have been a progress stopper for Lamar Miller and Bess would have been a progress stopper for the other WR's.. Or a backup making top slot WR money... At the end of the day it is what it is, Philbin is making the roster the way he wants it.. And most Sparano guys are not really invited it seems...

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Crowder52 Wrote:
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> Just from my experience, but rarely do you spend a
> 5th rd pick on a kicker who you dont plan on
> making the team... Carpenter is going to be a
> salary dump victim just like Bess. Philbin is a
> new coach, new system, he wants his guys..
> I heard rumblings that Philbin wanted a bigger
> target then Bess going across the middle. And also
> that he questioned whether or not Bess could have
> competed in the last couple games, but chose not
> to because they didnt mean anything...
>
> I like Bess, and thought he was a good insurance
> policy, but just like we moved on from R Bush, we
> moved on from him, also for the purpose that he
> would have prevented other guys from getting more
> playing time..
>
> Bush would have been a progress stopper for Lamar
> Miller and Bess would have been a progress stopper
> for the other WR's.. Or a backup making top slot
> WR money... At the end of the day it is what it
> is, Philbin is making the roster the way he wants
> it.. And most Sparano guys are not really invited
> it seems...


Carpenter is gone.

The only reason Ireland is saying all the right things, about how good he is and that its a competition on equal footing, is because he's going to try to trade him.

I don't know anyone who would want to pay the 2.7 mil but in drafting another kicker it invites competition and gives us leverage to restructure Carpenter's contract. Carpenter is definitely gone if he doesn't restructure.

That being said, we didn't spend a draft pick if we didn't think he would win the job. 90% Carpenter is gone.

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send him to dolfankings team...........the jets............so he can miss field goals there.

THE Truth Wrote:
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> Crowder52 Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Just from my experience, but rarely do you spend
> a
> > 5th rd pick on a kicker who you dont plan on
> > making the team... Carpenter is going to be a
> > salary dump victim just like Bess. Philbin is a
> > new coach, new system, he wants his guys..
> > I heard rumblings that Philbin wanted a bigger
> > target then Bess going across the middle. And
> also
> > that he questioned whether or not Bess could
> have
> > competed in the last couple games, but chose
> not
> > to because they didnt mean anything...
> >
> > I like Bess, and thought he was a good
> insurance
> > policy, but just like we moved on from R Bush,
> we
> > moved on from him, also for the purpose that he
> > would have prevented other guys from getting
> more
> > playing time..
> >
> > Bush would have been a progress stopper for
> Lamar
> > Miller and Bess would have been a progress
> stopper
> > for the other WR's.. Or a backup making top
> slot
> > WR money... At the end of the day it is what it
> > is, Philbin is making the roster the way he
> wants
> > it.. And most Sparano guys are not really
> invited
> > it seems...
>
>
> Carpenter is gone.
>
> The only reason Ireland is saying all the right
> things, about how good he is and that its a
> competition on equal footing, is because he's
> going to try to trade him.

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Doubtful any team will trade for Carpenter. Miami will have to release him, then another team will just have to compete against any others that are interested.

If Miami is able to trade him, Miami will be lucky to get a 7th rounder.