There is a lot of talk about trading up from 12 to take one of the tackles. Or even Milner. To do that it would take one of our 2nd picks or more depending how far we move up.
I am intrigued by this alternate scenario, I like the idea of trading up from 42 back into the first rd. If we trade our other 2nd rd pick, we can possibly move up as far as 20 or so. If instead we trade our earliest 3rd we can get up to around 27. So either we take one guy in the top ten. Or get 2 guys in the top 20 for pretty much the same cost... Obviously we would need trade partners for any of this to be reality..

The scenarios if u can follow- either we stay put get 12, 42 and 54.
Or trade 54 and 42 to get 12 and 20 ...
Or trade 54 or 42 to get top 10 and either 54 or 42.

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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 04/13/2013 12:55PM by Crowder52.

Crowder52 Wrote:
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> There is a lot of talk about trading up from 12 to
> take one of the tackles. Or even Milner. To do
> that it would take one of our 2nd picks or more
> depending how far we move up.
> I am intrigued by this alternate scenario, I like
> the idea of trading up from 42 back into the first
> rd. If we trade our other 2nd rd pick, we can
> possibly move up as far as 20 or so. If instead we
> trade our earliest 3rd we can get up to around 27.
> So either we take one guy in the top ten. Or get
> 2 guys in the top 20 for pretty much the same
> cost... Obviously we would need trade partners for
> any of this to be reality..
>
> The scenarios if u can follow- either we stay put
> get 12, 42 and 54.
> Or trade 54 and 42 to get 12 and 20 ...
> Or trade 54 or 42 to get top 10 and either 54 or
> 42.


I have no problems trading up or down in this draft. We have the picks to go get the player or two that we want.

This is also a deep draft so I'd have no issues with trading down and stockpiling 2nd, 3rd and 4th round picks.

My only concern with your scenario is who are you trading up to get at #20?

I'd guess its Eifort and Cooper although I don't see either of them lasting to 20 and if we go that route, I presume you intend to sign Winston or Clabo and hope Martin takes that next step as an NFL LT.

As truth said, with the offseason additions, if they all come in healthy, we have the ammunition to move up like no year in the past.

Still feel if we are 100% sold on Fisher or Johnson, we will move up to get one, and Bess could very likely be in the package.


If not , we can stay at 12, or drop down a few and pick up another second or third. Could depend on the Revis situation. If the Bucs land him, they could go Eifert or OL at 13, if they don't, they could be looking at Rhodes or Trufant at 13

Menelik Watson could be as good as any in a few years and could be taken late first.

I think we need to keep at least one second. This draft is deep 2-5
and we need at least 4 picks here maybe to reach for a crazy athlete, also may need to take kicker in 5 if going for Hopkins or Sturgess

Maybe you take Eifert at 12 and Fluker at 20.. not sure, I just like the value of it... I guess it depends who they value. I am sure there is someone else in that range we would like to have on the roster...

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Crowder52 Wrote:
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> Maybe you take Eifert at 12 and Fluker at 20..
> not sure, I just like the value of it... I guess
> it depends who they value. I am sure there is
> someone else in that range we would like to have
> on the roster...


I'm not a fan of Fluker in our scheme. He's just not that athletic. He's more of a road grader type.

If its just about trading up for the sake of trading up then I'd rather stay with the two 2nd's and take a pair of OT's than trade up for one who is marginally better talent-wise and a worse fit scheme-wise.

The difference between the OT prospects in the 20's and in the 40's in minimal. Not need to reach for one.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 04/13/2013 02:41PM by THE Truth.

I am not a particular fan of Fluker either, was just using him as example in the range for addressing the tackle position at 20..
Maybe take Eifert at 12, trade up to 27 with our 3rd and take S Matt Elam, Then use our other 2nd on one of the tackles you have in mind..

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We got our QB so I won't be as passionate about our #1 this year. I'd like to see it go defense though. Our defense needs a Top Talent Player to go with Wake and Jones. Pick best available after that.

GO DOLPHINS!!!!

How about trading down from 12, then using the extra picks to trade back into the lower first? Get a couple picks in the 20's and still have some action in the 2nd/3rd.

Crowder52 Wrote:
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> I am not a particular fan of Fluker either, was
> just using him as example in the range for
> addressing the tackle position at 20..
> Maybe take Eifert at 12, trade up to 27 with our
> 3rd and take S Matt Elam, Then use our other 2nd
> on one of the tackles you have in mind..


Wouldn't make that deal either. S is very deep in this draft. You'll be able to get a good one in the 4th/5th round.

If I'm trading up in the 1st it has to be for an impact guy... a guy who is starting right away.

Matt Elam isn't just any safety you might get in the 4th or 5th... The kid is gonna be a star IMO... Since we only signed Clemons on a 1 year deal, we are in play for that position IMO.. With covering TE's becoming more and more important, and a past weakness with it, I would love to have Elam on our roster. With Reshad Jones and Matt Elam as our safeties, forget about it.... Matt Elam will definitely start right away with whichever team drafts him...

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dolphaholic Wrote:
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> How about trading down from 12, then using the
> extra picks to trade back into the lower first?
> Get a couple picks in the 20's and still have some
> action in the 2nd/3rd.


In theory, sure.

But who are you trading up to get?

Who are the two guys in the 20's you have to have or that are surefire starters?

TYler Eifert and Matt Elam would both start and be impact guys at their position IMO.. Probably need to be 12 and 25 or so to land them... I would rather have Elam then the CB that would be available for us to pick after Milner in the first or early second..

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Crowder52 Wrote:
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> Matt Elam isn't just any safety you might get in
> the 4th or 5th... The kid is gonna be a star
> IMO... Since we only signed Clemons on a 1 year
> deal, we are in play for that position IMO.. With
> covering TE's becoming more and more important,
> and a past weakness with it, I would love to have
> Elam on our roster. With Reshad Jones and Matt
> Elam as our safeties, forget about it.... Matt
> Elam will definitely start right away with
> whichever team drafts him...


I like Elam.


But not that much more than a guy like Bacarri Rambo or Tony Jefferson, who we could likely grab in the 3rd - 5th.

This safety draft is like the year where we got Reshard Jones in the 5th, its very deep. Just not sure there are any elite 1st rounders.

Crowder52 Wrote:
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> TYler Eifert and Matt Elam would both start and be
> impact guys at their position IMO.. Probably need
> to be 12 and 25 or so to land them... I would
> rather have Elam then the CB that would be
> available for us to pick after Milner in the first
> or early second..


I think taking a safety early in this draft is a luxury pick. I think trading up to do it is a waste of a pick.

If we took Eifert at #12 and traded into the 20'd for Elam we wouldn't be in a position to address OT and OG until the 3rd and we'd be passing on one of those positions or CB altogether.

I have no problem taking a S like Elam if he falls to our pick and he's BPA, but I would be very reluctant to give away another pick to trade up for a position we don't need.

In draft trade value, in theory we could trade our early third to go up to 27 from 42 and still keep pick 54 in the 2nd rd. Our secondary would be greatly improved with Elam IMO..Elam is a starter whichever CB you draft is a question... Elam is projected to go somewhere around 25 to 32.. SO you could still address the tackle position at 54.

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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 04/13/2013 03:34PM by Crowder52.

To answer your question Truth, I don't follow CFB enough to answer that, I have read that the value of the 1st rnd is in the 20's this year, I was just responding to a hypothetical.

Eifert or Menelik Watson could go 15-25


JJ Wilcox in 3rd or 4th is the Safety to target

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> Who are the two guys in the 20's you have to have
> or that are surefire starters?
>
> Menelik Watson and Tank Carradine


Interesting.

For my tastes I'd have no problem's trading down and taking Watson. Like his upside, even if he has a ways to go to get there.

Not sure I'd trade up for Carradine after the major knee injury.

Not saying I'd pass on him if he fell to us, just not sure I'd give up an extra pick or two to move up for him.