All that has been reported so far is that it is a 3 year deal, no other details..

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kind of odd no $$ reported yet. I hope he signed for something like 4mm per year, I don't think he's worth more than that.

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I initially heard 3.5 on twitter but nothing official at all. Weird.

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Pretty close to what I quoted...Not bad considering the potential. He has some nice upside. Good end zone target.

Greg Jennings = Mike Wallace
Jordy Nelson = Brian Hartline
Donald Driver = Brandon Gibson
James Jones = Rashard Mathews
Randall Cobb = Cordarelle Patterson

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THE Truth Wrote:
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> Ben Volin ?@BenVolinPBP
> Finally got my hands on Brandon Gibson's deal: 3
> years, $9.78m. Got $3.75m guaranteed: $3m signing
> bonus, $750k base salary


was just about to post this. we must follow the same twitter feeds

very reasonable deal, IMO

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eesti Wrote:
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> Pretty close to what I quoted...Not bad
> considering the potential. He has some nice
> upside. Good end zone target.
>
> Greg Jennings = Mike Wallace
> Jordy Nelson = Brian Hartline
> Donald Driver = Brandon Gibson
> James Jones = Rashard Mathews
> Randall Cobb = Cordarelle Patterson


I wish. Everyone on that list is better than who you matched them up with on the phins, except (possibly) jennings. Hartline better than Nelson? Mathews comparable to James Jones?

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6.1 to Hartline
3.26 to Gibson
12 to Wallace
3.6 to Bess

That's about 25 mil to WR's.

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From what I have read the Wallace deal is essentially a 2 year 30 million dollar deal.. Meaning he gets 30 million cash with in the first 2 years guaranteed... Meaning he is really getting 15 million a year not 12... The guaranteed money is what really matters and he gets all 30 of it in the first 2 years...

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Know who the number 1 WR in the NFL for converting "targets" into first downs and TD's is....????

Brandon Gibson! (57.33%)

Brian Hartline (41.53%...ahead of Brandon Marshall)

Davone Bess (39.58%)

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Crowder52 Wrote:
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> From what I have read the Wallace deal is
> essentially a 2 year 30 million dollar deal..
> Meaning he gets 30 million cash with in the first
> 2 years guaranteed... Meaning he is really getting
> 15 million a year not 12... The guaranteed money
> is what really matters and he gets all 30 of it in
> the first 2 years...


Right, so if it doesn't work out he's getting paid during the phase we are figuring that all out.

If it does work out he becomes more cost effective as he ages.


Its a smart contract.

THE Truth Wrote:
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> Crowder52 Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > From what I have read the Wallace deal is
> > essentially a 2 year 30 million dollar deal..
> > Meaning he gets 30 million cash with in the
> first
> > 2 years guaranteed... Meaning he is really
> getting
> > 15 million a year not 12... The guaranteed
> money
> > is what really matters and he gets all 30 of it
> in
> > the first 2 years...
>
>
> Right, so if it doesn't work out he's getting paid
> during the phase we are figuring that all out.
>
> If it does work out he becomes more cost effective
> as he ages.
>
>
> Its a smart contract.


Maybe, but you make him the top paid WR, or the same as Megatron during that essentially 2 year 30 million dollar deal, which is not 12 million a year.. Only Megatron makes 15 million a year during the next 2 years.. If you think paying Wallace like Megatron is smart, I am not following how you define smart. I like Wallace but I think the contract is horrible...

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Crowder52 Wrote:
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> THE Truth Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Crowder52 Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > From what I have read the Wallace deal is
> > > essentially a 2 year 30 million dollar deal..
> > > Meaning he gets 30 million cash with in the
> > first
> > > 2 years guaranteed... Meaning he is really
> > getting
> > > 15 million a year not 12... The guaranteed
> > money
> > > is what really matters and he gets all 30 of
> it
> > in
> > > the first 2 years...
> >
> >
> > Right, so if it doesn't work out he's getting
> paid
> > during the phase we are figuring that all out.
> >
> > If it does work out he becomes more cost
> effective
> > as he ages.
> >
> >
> > Its a smart contract.
>
>
> Maybe, but you make him the top paid WR, or the
> same as Megatron during that essentially 2 year 30
> million dollar deal, which is not 12 million a
> year.. Only Megatron makes 15 million a year
> during the next 2 years.. If you think paying
> Wallace like Megatron is smart, I am not following
> how you define smart. I like Wallace but I think
> the contract is horrible...

That's argument is pure semantics.

If the contract plays out he gets $12 mill per.

In order to get the flexibility of being able to part ways after two years yo have to give up something.

You might think we overpaid, which is entirely fair...but the structure of the deal is good for us.

Semantic? Does any WR in the entire NFL make more money over the next 2 years then Wallace? Maybe not even Megatron, the numbers are about the same, if Megatron reaches all of his bonus money... that isnt semantics that is reality....

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Crowder52 Wrote:
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> Semantic? Does any WR in the entire NFL make more
> money over the next 2 years then Wallace? Maybe
> not even Megatron, the numbers are about the same,
> if Megatron reaches all of his bonus money... that
> isnt semantics that is reality....


Yes its semantics.

You are cherry picking the first two years of a 5 year contract to make some ridiculous argument.

Its par for the course with you, but its still nonsense.


If Wallace plays out his deal he gets $12 mil a year.

If Johnson plays out his 7 year $132mill deal he gets $18.8M a year.

Comparing those two deals and suggesting that Miami is paying Wallace as much as Johnson because they shuffled the money around to provide future cap relief and the ability to bail out of the contract early if necessary isn't only disingenuous...its absurd.

Truth- would you agree that when agents or pundits talk about contracts they say, all that matters is the guaranteed money? I believe I have even seen you say that before... The guaranteed money is 30 million paid out in the first 2 years... That isnt cherry picking, that is the way most people look at contracts... Reporters have written stories since the contract saying the exact same thing... I didnt pick the concept out of thin air...

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> if we cut him after year two our cap hit would be
> $18M
>
> Where did you get that number? His cap hit this
> year is 3.2 million. In 2014 his cap hit is 17.2
> million... My math says 20.4...
>
>
> Just curious how many players do you think in the
> NFL including QB's will have a 17 million plus cap
> hit next year?


He gets 30 mill guaranteed.

if we had just given him a simple contract where that was paid upfront and spread evenly over the 5 years it comes to $6mill a year in cap space for the guaranteed money.

If we cut him after two years of that contract sructure the remaing deferred guaranteed money gets accelerated into the 3rd year.

$30 mill minus the $12mill accounted for over the first two years leaves $18 mill accelerated into that 3rd year for a player not on our roster.

Under the actual contract he signed, 27-30 mill is guaranteed.

He gets $20.5 the first two years all of which is guaranteed, plus the remaining $7-9.5 mill he was given as a signing bonus spread over the last three years.

If you cut him after year two on this deal the remaining $7-9.5mill comes due in year three.

Its HALF the cap hit we could have had if the worst case scenario plays out and he sucks so we cut him after two seasons.

rmando Salguero ?@ArmandoSalguero

Jeff Ireland said Dolphins have no plans to get rid of Davone Bess. But he mentioned Bess in same sentence with "depth."

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It's essentially a one year deal for Gibson. It's only $3.75M guaranteed. And he's getting $1.75M of that this season. So, you can cut him next year at a cap hit of $2M. If he works out in this system, then you have a good deal. If not, you can get out of it cheaply.

So, with this, you still have to believe WR could be a target in the draft. Bess isn't under contract for 2014, and Gibson's contract could be eaten pretty easily.

Bess gets open. Every offense needs a guy like that. He got behind the defense several times, but Tannehill could not get him the ball. Bess will be even better this year.

mark, who do you want us to take at 12? what do you think we should do at OL? sign Winston, Vollmer, or Smith, roll with Martin at LT, draft someone high (all of the above)?

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> Bess gets open. Every offense needs a guy like
> that. He got behind the defense several times, but
> Tannehill could not get him the ball. Bess will be
> even better this year.

Enough with that nonsense. It's not even close to being true. Had Bess stayed healthy he would have had a record year with Tannehill. He was on pace for 957 yards before missing 3 games.

Bess got behind the defense? hahahaha. If he ever did he was caught from behind and fell down to avoid a hit like he always did.

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still want tavon austin at 12
his impact on this team will be head and shoulders above any other player we could take in the 1st
imagine a player with his skills in the offense? wallace drawing deep coverage, with Austin underneath? yikes.

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dolphin Wrote:
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> Bess gets open. Every offense needs a guy like
> that. He got behind the defense several times, but
> Tannehill could not get him the ball. Bess will be
> even better this year.


He also had quite a few good plays where he beat the defender but the defender held him falling to the ground...would had been a long gain.

Keep bess. We need all of our stars.

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> still want tavon austin at 12
> his impact on this team will be head and shoulders
> above any other player we could take in the 1st
> imagine a player with his skills in the offense?
> wallace drawing deep coverage, with Austin
> underneath? yikes.


Not only that Berk but think about it from a defensive coordinators perspective.

If our base set is Wallace and Hartline as the X and Y, Austin is in the slot with Keller at TE, and Miller at RB...


What defensive package do you put on the field? How many DB's? How many LB's?

You can cover Bess with a S or even a LB.

You try to cover Austin with a LB and its going to be a huge play for us.

If they go Nickle or Dime to matchup with that base and our o-line is any good, Miller is should be able to gash them to death.



Austin makes a lot of sense at #12.

But a stud O-lineman like Lane Johnson, Johnathan Cooper or Chance Warmack paired with a later WR (Swope, Goodwin, etc) would work also.