Hertline already had a year together with tannehill.......And next year he will not be coming back from injury.

I say he will have an even better year if we keep him....if we can upgrade the wr position and get a couple of burners to compliment what he does.

mizzou15 Wrote:
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> I like it when guys on the board try to define a
> "Philbin Guy". They wouldn't know if they saw won.
> Philbin knows what he wants and if he wants Bowe
> he will get him. All the BS posted about him is
> funny. All I see in KC (fans) is that they want
> the guy back. I never saw anything about the guy
> that reminds me of B Marshall. He played hard ball
> regarding money one year is all I know.
>
> Bowe last 4 years: 3700+ yards 27 tds
> Hartline last 4 yrs: 2700+ yrds WOW 6 tds !!!!
> But he is ready to play now.

So we know nothing about Philbin but you know enough about Bowe to endorse him and give him Philbins endorsement?

Who is comparing Bowe to Hartline other than you? Who is saying Hartline should be our #1 WR? No one.

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mizzou15 Wrote:
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> 1> Allen WR CAL
> 2a> Anderson CB NC ST
> 2b> Dobson WR Marshall
> 3a> Short DT Purdue
> 3b> Fauria TE UCLA
> 4> Manuel QB FSU
> 5> X Nixon T UF
>
> Get Tanny his 'weapons' w/ 2 fast wr's and a big
> TE, Fauria. Short is a big DT that can get to the
> qb. Manuel backs up Tanny (we need a backup qb)
> and Nixon can compete at RT. This we we don't
> spend our F/A money on big price receivers.


I like the Dobson pick Mizzou. Looking forward to seeing him live in the Senior Bowl this weekend. He's a very intriguing prospect.

I've been high on Fauria for a long time. That kid would be a ridiculous red zone threat for us.

Hartline had a great year. Keep him.

We need a veteran that can get open in the redzone, can get open deep,can run all the routes. A safety blanket for Tanny.

we need a rookie who can develop chemistry with Tanny.

Anyone who thinks Bowe, Jennings, or Wallace don't satisfy the need are digging in their heels ...in sand.

toko34 Wrote:
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> Bowe is similar to Brandon Marshall..but Bowe is
> less talented, same head case issues, same drop
> issues.

How many times has Bowe been arrested in violent incidents? How many times did he intentionally drop or knock down passes in practice because he was unhappy with his contract? How many games did he sit out with a fake injury?

His track record is nothing like Marshall.

You do realize he's faster than Marshall, too, right?

PFF WR Rankings by grade the last 3 years

2010
Mike Wallace #9
Greg Jennings #12
Dwayne Bowe #16
Brandon Marshall #29

2011
Dwayne Bowe #11
Mike Wallace #13
Greg Jennings #14
Brandon Marshall #48

2012
Brandon Marshall #9
Dwayne Bowe #26
Greg Jennings #50
Mike Wallace #91

eesti Wrote:
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> The other knock on Bowe is that he is an
> undisciplined/lazy route runner that often causes
> the QB to be intercepted. I read where he did it
> twice in one game this year.
>
> according to Pro Football Focus, he accounted for
> three drops and three interceptions when the ball
> is thrown toward him through October of last year.

Bowe had 5 passes intercepted this season when he was the target. Larry Fitzgerald had 12. Reggie Wayne had 10. Mike Wallace had 5, the same as Bowe (he also had 6 drops, same as Bowe).

In 2011, Bowe also had 5 passes intercepted when he was the target. Vincent Jackson had 9. So did Larry Fitzgerald. Brian Hartline had 6, in spite of being the target only half as many times as Bowe.

Listen, I am not saying Bowe should be the guy we target. But, there are only 3 guys that may be on the free agent market that are potential impact players. It's Wallace, Jennings, and Bowe. Any of the 3 would be a huge addition to our team. And Dolphins fans should be happy with any of them.

It is a complete unknown how either Bowe or Wallace would fit in the WCO. One thing for sure, Bowe has more experience running the entire route tree than Wallace does. Wallace runs 9 routes (fly), 7 routes (corner), and 8 routes (post). This year, he was asked to run the short routes in Pitt's new offense, and he was lousy at it. Wallace may be a one trick pony, and as good as he is at it, it may not fit what Philbin and Sherman want. Jennings is the best fit from a WCO perspective, and maybe from a comfort level for Philbin. But, he also has the least upside of the three.

No one really knows what players this staff wants or does not want. Just have to wait and see how it plays out. I dont want to overpay on Hartline, I don't think Jennings is an upgrade over Hartline. Do we sign rookies who knows? Dumping abunch of horse**** on a player does not make it true. I really don't like that.

well articulated.

I don't get the 'hate on' for Bowe. The guy has been getting very good production despite playing for a crappy team and instability at QB.

It will be interesting to see how this plays out.

And that's BNF. Speaking nothing but the gospel truth.

Yeah...but its in tongues.

But oh so entertaining tongues.

For a Mid-round receiver...I expect them to seriously look at the Texas Aggie Ryan Swopes. He's probably not a #1 guy, but very similar to Hartline, but with more experience with our QB.

We have to draft a speed guy (force defense to cover whole field) who can catch, play all the positions (x,y,& z), run all the routes, and has enough size to block. Piece of cake.

Omar is tweeting that he's 100% certain the dolphins will go after a big time FA WR, he's also hinting its Jennings............hmmm, inside info or a deliberate smoke screen?

Post Sr Bowl Revised draft

after watching the Sr Bowl I now think we take Ansah over Allan in the first rnd. Short looked good now I'm thinking we draft him in the 2nd not the 3rd. Manuel might have played himself out of our reach in the 4th rnd:

1> Ansha DE BYU
2> Dobson WR Marshal
2b> Short DT Purdue
3> Patton WR La Tech
3b) Fauria TE UCLA
4> Vernon WR Duke <- he is not under the radar anymore
5> Scott QB AZ
7> Johnson OT La Tech
7b> Sturgis K Fl

yes 3 WR we gotta bring fresh quick blood in. All of these guys are tall fast and have good hands. Ansah and Short are young strong and fast.Instant help for Wake. Scott and Sturgis challenge the current starters in front of them and are good enough to beat them out.

We use the f/a money on DB's and the Oline.

mizzou15 Wrote:
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> Post Sr Bowl Revised draft
>
> after watching the Sr Bowl I now think we take
> Ansah over Allan in the first rnd. Short looked
> good now I'm thinking we draft him in the 2nd not
> the 3rd. Manuel might have played himself out of
> our reach in the 4th rnd:
>
> 1> Ansha DE BYU
> 2> Dobson WR Marshal
> 2b> Short DT Purdue
> 3> Patton WR La Tech
> 3b) Fauria TE UCLA
> 4> Vernon WR Duke <- he is not under the
> radar anymore
> 5> Scott QB AZ
> 7> Johnson OT La Tech
> 7b> Sturgis K Fl
>
> yes 3 WR we gotta bring fresh quick blood in. All
> of these guys are tall fast and have good hands.
> Ansah and Short are young strong and fast.Instant
> help for Wake. Scott and Sturgis challenge the
> current starters in front of them and are good
> enough to beat them out.
>
> We use the f/a money on DB's and the Oline.



I think that short is going to be a first round pick.

dolphaholic Wrote:
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> Omar is tweeting that he's 100% certain the
> dolphins will go after a big time FA WR, he's also
> hinting its Jennings............hmmm, inside info
> or a deliberate smoke screen?


It's logic. If they want to give Tannehill more weapons in 2013, they need to get a free agent WR. Over the last 4 years, AJ Green is the only rookie WR to top 1000 yards in a season. In that time, only 3 rookie WRs have topped 900 yards. If they want an immediate impact player to help Tannehill, it has to be in free agency.

Jim B Wrote:
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> For a Mid-round receiver...I expect them to
> seriously look at the Texas Aggie Ryan Swopes.
> He's probably not a #1 guy, but very similar to
> Hartline, but with more experience with our QB.
>
> We have to draft a speed guy (force defense to
> cover whole field) who can catch, play all the
> positions (x,y,& z), run all the routes, and has
> enough size to block. Piece of cake.

I think Swope is a strong candidate for a mid round pick, as a guy to groom as a slot WR in case Bess leaves in free agency next year. Swope is pretty much strictly a slot WR, so he doesn't have Hartline's experience playing the X or Z. The major red flag on Swope for me is that I believe he's had 4 concussions already. That's going to be a big problem for a guy that you need to go across the middle.

I'm banking on 5 DT's going ahead of Short and Floyed from FL is gettingf attention. I hope these guys push him or Richardson (Missouri) into our pick the second rnd.

I think we will be able to draft one of the top rated guys in the 2nd round.

There is no AJ Green or Julio Jones in this draft. A lot of teams need to get OL starters this year...so I don't see a run on WR's until the 2nd round.

I would like to get:

Ansah with the 12th pick

Keenan Allen/Cordarelle Patterson/Terrence Williams/Dobson -pick 42

And then in the 3rd round a guy like Hunter/King/Goodwin/Harper

and in the 4th or 5th round Mellette/Harper

Draft terrance williams in the 1st round.4.4 speed 6'2 200 pounds.

samsam3738 Wrote:
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> Draft terrance williams in the 1st round.4.4 speed
> 6'2 200 pounds.


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That is a real possibility, Sam, but again, it would depend on (1) whether or not Ireland lands one of the top FA WRs, and (2) if he is on the top of Ireland's list when that pick comes up at 12.

The best scenario would have him still there at 42.

captkoi Wrote:
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> samsam3738 Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Draft terrance williams in the 1st round.4.4
> speed
> > 6'2 200 pounds.
>
>
> *********************************************
>
> That is a real possibility, Sam, but again, it
> would depend on (1) whether or not Ireland lands
> one of the top FA WRs, and (2) if he is on the top
> of Ireland's list when that pick comes up at 12.
>
>
> The best scenario would have him still there at
> 42.


I'm gonna puke if we take a WR at #12.


I don't think there's any WR in this draft who is going to be the best player on the board at #12.

I don't think there's a WR in this draft that is a first year, major impact guy like a Julio Jones or AJ green who would justify going of the BPA road map.

Even if we don't sign a bigtime FA...I'd rather get an impact pass rusher or OT like Fisher and then grab 2 WR's in the next 4 picks.

ONE of the guys were are being linked to (Patterson, Hunter, Williams, Allen, Hopkins, Etc will likely fall to our first pick in round #2.

THE Truth Wrote:
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> captkoi Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > samsam3738 Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Draft terrance williams in the 1st round.4.4
> > speed
> > > 6'2 200 pounds.
> >
> >
> > *********************************************
> >
> > That is a real possibility, Sam, but again, it
> > would depend on (1) whether or not Ireland
> lands
> > one of the top FA WRs, and (2) if he is on the
> top
> > of Ireland's list when that pick comes up at 12.
>
> >
> >
> > The best scenario would have him still there at
> > 42.
>
>
> I'm gonna puke if we take a WR at #12.
>
>
> I don't think there's any WR in this draft who is
> going to be the best player on the board at #12.
>
> I don't think there's a WR in this draft that is a
> first year, major impact guy like a Julio Jones or
> AJ green who would justify going of the BPA road
> map.
>
> Even if we don't sign a bigtime FA...I'd rather
> get an impact pass rusher or OT like Fisher and
> then grab 2 WR's in the next 4 picks.
>
> ONE of the guys were are being linked to
> (Patterson, Hunter, Williams, Allen, Hopkins, Etc
> will likely fall to our first pick in round #2.

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Agreed!

I hear what you are saying Truth, but a lot of pass rushers take time to develop as well.. We need to get players that are going to have an impact on our team. If BPA is a Qb, Center, or DT, it probably doesn't make a lot of sense with the holes we have to draft positions of strength early.. I don't think we have that luxury... I don't want to reach for a player either.. But I think if Jeff Ireland doesn't identify and acquire the best offensive play maker in the passing game for our team.. The guy he thinks has the best shot to be a star, then I think our GM is doing us a disservice.. It is not easy to pick a stud playmaker, Ireland has never been able to do it his entire tenure as GM for whatever reason... He better buck up and take his shot or his remaining time in Miami will be short lived IMO..

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Crowder52 Wrote:
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> I hear what you are saying Truth, but a lot of
> pass rushers take time to develop as well..


Crowder, you can make that argument about ANY position...that SOME guys take time to develop.


I'm not saying there isn't a WR or two in this draft that can't come in and do what TY Hilton did last year. But none of them are no-brainers like AJ Green or Julio Jones.

I'd rather not reach for need when there is almost assuredly going to be a more highly rated prospect at DL, OLB, OL, or CB.




> We
> need to get players that are going to have an
> impact on our team. If BPA is a Qb, Center, or DT,
> it probably doesn't make a lot of sense with the
> holes we have to draft positions of strength
> early.. I don't think we have that luxury...


But it won't be. There isn't a center in this draft as highly rated as Pouncey. There isn't a Qb who is going to be at the top of our draft board at #12, and if there was we should trade the pick.

DT is a possibility if Starks leaves, but I think that's a fall back position.

Keep in mind, that one of the factors involved in giving a player a drat drade...or where you rank him on your board, is the impact hs position has on the game. Another is need. Yes, yes, I know...that seems contrary to the concept of BPA but it isn't the deciding factor, its just part of the evaluation.



> I
> don't want to reach for a player either.. But I
> think if Jeff Ireland doesn't identify and acquire
> the best offensive play maker in the passing game
> for our team.. The guy he thinks has the best shot
> to be a star, then I think our GM is doing us a
> disservice..

I disagree completely.

He needs to find a full time starter/pro bowl level player.

I believe its far better to draft a Pass rusher with a 90% chance of fulfilling that end goal than a WR/TE with a 60% chance merely because we have a greater need at WR.




> It is not easy to pick a stud
> playmaker, Ireland has never been able to do it
> his entire tenure as GM for whatever reason... He
> better buck up and take his shot or his remaining
> time in Miami will be short lived IMO..


There are more playmakers on a team than just those that catch the ball or run with it.

CB's, DE's, OLB's, DT's, MLB's, FS's...all can be playmakers.

It would be far worse for this team in the long run to pass on a defensive playmaker or a stud OL in favor of a roll of the dice on a need offensive position.

We can roll the dice on guys like that later in the draft.



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the truth you say you going to puke if we take a wr at 12.............But wr is the position we need the most....that is our weakest position.

I wouldnt be mad if we take a wr with the first 2 picks......I dont want another team having a shot at one of them becoming great....>If we take the best 2 wrs in this draft we are likely to hit on one of them bigtime.

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