not long ago they sucked just as bad as us (we had #2 pick in the draft, they had #1). they even blew that pick on alex smith (and we blew it on ronnie brown). yet here they are in the super bowl. WTF.

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I still think Alex Smith was a bigger blow than Ronnie Brown. Ronnie Brown was not that bad of a player.

alex smith is still in the league at least. isn't brown 3d string somewhere and probably unsigned by now?

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At one point Ronnie Brown was one of the best backs in the league. Alex Smith has always been...Alex Smith. Not to mention the career length of a QB is about twice that of a RB.

We also drafted Ronnie before the league mentality fully switched away from having a workhorse back.

Thanks for answering for me Krunk. It's the difference between a has been and a never was.



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Alex Smith was 3rd in the NFL in passer rating this year. He completed over 70% of his passes with a 13/5 TD/INT ratio.

and he qb'd his team to the nfl title game. brown had 1 good season---he 1-15 year when he blew his knee out halfway thru. no comparison who has had the better nfl career. neither player no where near worthy of their draft position however

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Bashing Smith is wrong. He had to suffer through bad coaching and a horrible O-line for years. The only reason why Alex Smith isn't starting in the Super Bowl this year is Colin Keapernick. Keapernick is an incredible talent, and he is signed for many more years.

I can hardly get pissy about Smith considering what Miami has for QBs. Since the SF coaching change, Smith has been better than every single QB Miami has had since he was drafted, and one of the top QBs in the NFL. Slamming him is at best sour grapes, and at worst just plain ignorance on the part of Dolphins fans that won't bother looking at players on the other coast in the other conference.

From a Dolphins fan perspective. We could have had either one of SF's QBs. Instead of Smith, we got Brown - I'm OK with that, Brown had some great years. But instead of Keapernick we got a center. That is ridiculous. Our GM sucks.

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They still blew it passing on local kid Rodgers. Remember Rodgers torching a real good USC defense that year, never understood why he dropped

Holiday Bowl that year.

Take that one step farther Berk, the year we had the #1 overall, the Falcons had the 3rd pic (2nd or 3rd, cant remember), and they just played each other for a chance to go to the big one.........pretty sad huh

dolphaholic Wrote:
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> Take that one step farther Berk, the year we had
> the #1 overall, the Falcons had the 3rd pic (2nd
> or 3rd, cant remember), and they just played each
> other for a chance to go to the big
> one.........pretty sad huh


Guess what else...both of them took 1st round QB's to build around in those drafts while we took a RB and a LT.

berkeley223 Wrote:
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> not long ago they sucked just as bad as us (we had
> #2 pick in the draft, they had #1). they even blew
> that pick on alex smith (and we blew it on ronnie
> brown). yet here they are in the super bowl. WTF.

That's what great drafting will do for a team. It doesn't mean much if you can't coach them up but they finally found a HC as well.

Most of their success can be directly attributed to their former GM, Scot McCloughan who worked under Ron Wolf.

He was the VP of PP in SF from 2005 to 2008.
He was the GM in SF from 2008-2010 but was fired in 2010 and left to become Seattles Senior Personnel Exec.

HC Mike Nolan from 2005 to 2008

2005 draft: Alex Smith, Frank Gore, Ron Fields
2006 draft: Vernon Davis, Manny Lawson, Parys Haralson & Delanie Walker
2007 draft: Patrick Willis, Joe Staley, Dashon Goldson
2008 draft : nothing much

HC Mike Singletary

2009 draft: Michael Crabtree
2010 draft: Anthony Davis, Mike Iupati, Navaro Bowman

2011 with Seattle

2011 draft: Richard Sherman, KJ Wright
2012 draft: Russel Wilson, Bobby Wagner, Bruce Irvin

He had some swings and misses just like everyone else but SF roster is comprised of the players he scouted. FA and drafted players in SF and Seattle. They got rid of him when they should have just gotten rid of Nolan and Singletary.

Say all you want about Alex Smith. He took time to develop whether it was his or his former coaches fault. The fact is that he has had a QB rating over 80 for the last 4 years. 80.5 & 82.1 in 2009 & 10 and 90.7 & 104.1 in 2011 & 12. He can be a very good QB in the right system. He has never really had much to work with at WR until recently. His leading receiver was a TE (Davis) for the 09 & 10 seasons. Crabtree didn't do anything until 2011 when they went to the NFC Championship game at 13-3.

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samsam3738 Wrote:
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>
> Dolfanking wrote: The only reason why Alex Smith
> isn't starting in the Super Bowl this year is
> Colin Keapernick.
>
>
> The 49ers would not had beaten atlanta with alex
> smith. They beat atlanta because Keapernick was
> their QB and played well after mid 2nd quarter and
> so on.

RESPONSE: What's your point? That Dolfanking doesn't like Kaepernick????

DolfanKing was in favor of us drafting Kaepernick last year.

Yeah, I read that point. But it's the point you led off with and then you point out, quite correctly, that he does not cut Tannehill the same slack but that automatically brings up the question of whether he is saying Alex Smith is as good as or better than Kaepernick.

That's why I asked what you were getting at because I know DK wanted us to take Kaepernick last year and I know he's not saying Smith never received a fair chance.

samsam3738 Wrote:
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>
> Alex Smith has been in the league what 3 years 4?
> What has he done?
>


Taken his team to the NFC championship and led it for over half a year on a Super Bowl run.


> __________________________________________________
> ________________________
>
> Dolfanking wrote: The only reason why Alex Smith
> isn't starting in the Super Bowl this year is
> Colin Keapernick.
>
>
> The 49ers would not had beaten atlanta with alex
> smith. They beat atlanta because Keapernick was
> their QB and played well after mid 2nd quarter and
> so on.


I don't know about that. There is little evidence that SF would have been any worse with Smith. Kaepernick was a force in the Green Bay game, but Smith already proved he could beat the Packers this year. And looking at Sunday's game, aside from one scramble, I didn't see Kaepernick do anything that Smith hasn't already done.

The real reason for Kaepernick over Smith at this point has to do with contracts. They are on equal levels, but all things equal, the Niners are smart to go with the younger guy.

BTW - the 49ers would have made it to the Super Bowl last year with Smith at AB had Ted Ginn not gotten injured the week before the NFC championship game. Smith did everything to win that game against the Giants, despite two idiotic turnovers by a backup punt returner. Hard to score when you don't have the ball, and yet somehow Smith made that championship game close. I don't know if Keapernick would have had a different outcome against Atlanta. I will say that it is irony that Ted Ginn was the ultimate difference maker for the Niners last year...

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samsam3738 Wrote:
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> Chren read the entire post not just
> half.....before you make a judgement........here
> is the top part of that post....
>
>
> Dolfanking wrote: Bashing Smith is wrong. He had
> to suffer through bad coaching and a horrible
> O-line for years
>
>
> answer:Funny how you refuse to bash alex smith but
> continue your Ryan Tannehill bashing everyday.
>
> Alex Smith has been in the league what 3 years 4?
> What has he done?
>
> __________________________________________________
> ____________________
>
>
> My point was he thrashes tannehill been a
> rookie....and then he says Bashing Smith is wrong.
> when alex smith has been in the league like 3
> years maybe more and hasnt done crap.
>
> I really dont care much if dolfanking likes
> Keapernick or not.

The difference between Tannehill and Smith is obvious. Heck, the difference between Keapernick and Tannehill are obvious.

To blame me for the fact that SF has two QBs - both we could have drafted - that are better than our QB just goes to show how you are just another Dolphins fan with their head in the sand.

Don't blame me for the bad drafting, blame the GM!

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Yes you are right. The difference IS obvious (to most).

Smith was the number 1 overall pick who was expected to start right away. He struggled and was eventually benched until terrible play and injuries forced him back into the starting lineup.

Kaepernick was allowed to sit and learn for a year and half before he was pressed into duty. This after he started 4 years in college.

Smith struggled for the first 3 years until he was able to put up below average numbers in his 4th and 5th year. The light finally came on for him in his 6th and 7th seasons.

What he is saying, while you ignore the obvious, is that it's funny that you can stick up for a 49er QB and cannot do the same for a Miami QB. Yes we know that would involve you eating more crow.

The fact is you want to compare a QB who has been in the league for 7 years to a rookie. You want to incenuate how much better Smith is than Tannehill but not acknowedge the fact that Smith struggled for a long time and that CK sat for a long time.

You want to evade the questioning by claiming someone is blaming you "for the fact that SF has 2 QB's"....ridiculous. No one is doing that. Way to side step though.

You want to claim that our GM should be blamed for drafting Tannehill when most of us applaud him for it.

How about comparing their rookie years? Is that too fair and unbiased for you?

Well let me give you a clue.

Ryan Tannehill was head and shoulders BETTER than Alex Smith in their rookie year. Smith threw for 1 TD and 11 ints his rookie year. This isn't even debatable. He couldn't even get on the field for the whole season after being the number one pick. He couldn't beat out scrubs like Ken Dorsey and Tim Rattay.

In his rookie year, Colin Kaepernick couldn't even beat out Alex Smith!

Unbelievable.

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gotcha chren

Eesti is right.

eesti Wrote:
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> Yes you are right. The difference IS obvious (to
> most).
>
> Smith was the number 1 overall pick who was
> expected to start right away. He struggled and was
> eventually benched until terrible play and
> injuries forced him back into the starting
> lineup.
>
> Kaepernick was allowed to sit and learn for a year
> and half before he was pressed into duty. This
> after he started 4 years in college.
>
> Smith struggled for the first 3 years until he was
> able to put up below average numbers in his 4th
> and 5th year. The light finally came on for him in
> his 6th and 7th seasons.
>
> What he is saying, while you ignore the obvious,
> is that it's funny that you can stick up for a
> 49er QB and cannot do the same for a Miami QB. Yes
> we know that would involve you eating more crow.
>
> The fact is you want to compare a QB who has been
> in the league for 7 years to a rookie. You want to
> incenuate how much better Smith is than Tannehill
> but not acknowedge the fact that Smith struggled
> for a long time and that CK sat for a long time.
>
> You want to evade the questioning by claiming
> someone is blaming you "for the fact that SF has 2
> QB's"....ridiculous. No one is doing that. Way to
> side step though.
>
> You want to claim that our GM should be blamed for
> drafting Tannehill when most of us applaud him for
> it.
>
> How about comparing their rookie years? Is that
> too fair and unbiased for you?
>
> Well let me give you a clue.
>
> Ryan Tannehill was head and shoulders BETTER than
> Alex Smith in their rookie year. Smith threw for
> 1 TD and 11 ints his rookie year. This isn't even
> debatable. He couldn't even get on the field for
> the whole season after being the number one pick.
> He couldn't beat out scrubs like Ken Dorsey and
> Tim Rattay.
>
> In his rookie year, Colin Kaepernick couldn't even
> beat out Alex Smith!
>
> Unbelievable.

This post has to be directed at DK. But with chyrenb posting just before him how can I be sure? Perhaps it's time to unblock one of them?

Regardless, spot on eesti!

It was in response to DFK. Not ChyrenB.

On a side note. The improvement of Alex Smith should give hope for Tannehills development.

Since Tannehill was able to get on the field earlier and do more than Smith did as a rookie...doesn't it tell everyone that RT has the likely potential to be a very good QB? Probably better than Smith. He also beat Collin K. to the field.

It is still to soon to tell but that is the where all signs point.

Sorry to disappoint DFK and Dolphin....NOT.

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Yeah, Holic', I scratched my head because (without going back and checking) I thought Alex Smith WAS THE FIRST PICK OVERALL IN THE DRAFT, and I don't remember us having that pick that year.


And yeah, SamSam, I was asking you what YOU were trying to say, I wasn't addressing anything eesti said.

ChyrenB Wrote:
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> Yeah, Holic', I scratched my head because (without
> going back and checking) I thought Alex Smith WAS
> THE FIRST PICK OVERALL IN THE DRAFT, and I don't
> remember us having that pick that year.
>
Correct. There's no way we could have DRAFTED Smith, but I'm sure we could have gotten him (in a trade) for a six pack of beer a few years ago

montequi Wrote:
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> ChyrenB Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Yeah, Holic', I scratched my head because
> (without
> > going back and checking) I thought Alex Smith
> WAS
> > THE FIRST PICK OVERALL IN THE DRAFT, and I
> don't
> > remember us having that pick that year.
> >
> Correct. There's no way we could have DRAFTED
> Smith, but I'm sure we could have gotten him (in a
> trade) for a six pack of beer a few years ago


I say we could of had him for a single bottle water. A six pack of beer is gold to some people.

montequi Wrote:
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> ChyrenB Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Yeah, Holic', I scratched my head because
> (without
> > going back and checking) I thought Alex Smith
> WAS
> > THE FIRST PICK OVERALL IN THE DRAFT, and I
> don't
> > remember us having that pick that year.
> >
> Correct. There's no way we could have DRAFTED
> Smith, but I'm sure we could have gotten him (in a
> trade) for a six pack of beer a few years ago

Right, sorry. We could have had Aaron Rodgers. That doesn't make me feel any better...

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